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CU Guru [1898]
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Dawgs will study Clemson game tapes and
Aug 1, 2013, 12:54 AM
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will get more out of watching the Coot game than LSU. Hey, why did we lose to the coots last year???
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Because we abandoned the running game after the 1st qtr...
Aug 1, 2013, 12:57 AM
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thus feeding the strength of the coots defense, which is the pass rush.
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Rival Killer [3014]
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Clemson by definition should never abandon the run.***
Aug 1, 2013, 1:04 AM
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Rival Killer [2776]
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Re: Because we abandoned the running game after the 1st qtr...
Aug 1, 2013, 5:52 AM
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Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!!!!
Abandoning the run (that was eating a$$clown alive) cost us dearly.
Chad won't make the same mistake twice.
Go Tigers!!!!
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Campus Hero [13749]
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Re: Because we abandoned the running game after the 1st qtr...
Aug 1, 2013, 6:09 AM
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Amen!
Its funny I re-watched that game a couple of days ago. And yes, the abandonment of the run was obvious, but it was also obvious that TB got impatient. He threw up 3 horrible balls and that IMO is what hurt us. There were a lot of dropped balls in that game too.
Outside of that, out MLB's looked confused all game long.
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Paw Warrior [4913]
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Good point about Tajh
Aug 1, 2013, 9:54 AM
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He got hurried much worse in the LSU game but kept his composure and that was a key difference.
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Re: Not likely....imagine all the mashing of teeth on ..
Aug 1, 2013, 12:43 PM
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T-net when Clemson completely reversed its offense for the entire year to give the ball to Ellington 25 times vs SC which had shutdown every rushing attack they played in 2012 except for LSU in Baton Rouge when they were missing Quarles and Jerideau.
This place would have imploded with rage that they had not used Hopkins\Watkins\Ford against an "overmatched" SC secondary, but it would have made for a more believable excuse than Clemson should have Bama-ed SC defense with its running game.
Clemson lost to SC because they could not block SC DL, Clemson WRs could not beat SC CBs in press cover and the defense could not get SC off the field.
SC is a bad matchup currently for Clemson but UGA is not the same team as SC.
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Re: Not likely....imagine all the mashing of teeth on ..
Aug 1, 2013, 1:44 PM
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We ran the ball in the 1st quarter part of the second, we had no problem with your line or secondary whatso ever.
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All-Conference [413]
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Not to mention our defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd
Aug 1, 2013, 6:00 AM
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down. We made Dylan Thompson look like Johnny Football.
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Rival Killer [2847]
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^THIS is why we lost
Aug 1, 2013, 9:33 AM
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Not because Clowney got all those sacks, it was because the D couldn't give Tajh the ball back. With 15 minutes of TOP, Tajh scored 17 points. Had TOP been 50/50, we'd have scored 34, they'd have scored less and it would have been a somewhat lopsided win for us.
I almost wish their D was the reason we lost. That's explainable; they were solid last year. Losing to that Lattimore-less, rag-tag offense was just embarrassing. No way in #### Venables lets THAT happen again. He'll be ready for both Shaw AND Thompson, and we'll beat a coot team that should be very similar to last year's, if not worse. Them only returning two from their front seven with zero LBs has me looking forward to kicking down the door at the cockroach.
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110%er [8244]
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Tapes are only good for giving an idea
Aug 1, 2013, 6:19 AM
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of how a team or player might play, the one watching was not the one on the tape most of the time.
I would say CM could call the same play 10 times in a row and there would not be 2 run the same way with every player
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Rival Killer [2776]
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Re: Dawgs will study Clemson game tapes and
Aug 1, 2013, 7:09 AM
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And Clemson will get more out watching tapes on Jawja/Sakerlina!
Something tells me the Mad Scientist (The Chad) is already on the job!! 8-)
Go Tigers!!
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Because we could not stop 3rd and anything. The offense only
Aug 1, 2013, 7:35 AM
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got a handful of possessions. We did not score every time we had the ball against LSU, but the defense did get us the ball back. If we get 8 stops against South Carolina I guarantee you a win!!
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Game Day Hero [4402]
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We lost also b/c of a poor blocking game plan vs Clowney
Aug 1, 2013, 8:34 AM
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Dabo and Morris were sipping the Kool-aid of our offensive line since Boyd was the least sacked QB in the ACC. They treated Clowney like he was just another player and basically single blocked him most of the game. Every other team that plays SCar chips or doubles him with a RB or a TE. It was a very poor blocking game plan IMO.
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Clemson Sports Icon [55399]
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All-Conference [402]
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They will not risk running Murray any more than if he were
Aug 1, 2013, 8:32 AM
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From a sack. Can't see them doing much qb run b y design in non conference opener. That is how the coots beat us more so than us abandoning the run
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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UGA doesn't have the same style of offense as SCar
Aug 1, 2013, 9:21 AM
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SCars offense did more to stop us than their defense. They dominated TOP in the 2nd half and got most of that on 2 drives.
UGA is more balanced on offense. But their style of running is more big play. Gurley and Marshall are not 3 yards and a cloud of dust. They are break for 7 yards or more. That lends itself to significant yards and points, but not "clock control." I don't see UGA being able to use their offense to keep our offense off the field.
FSU is more similar to UGA on the offensive side of the ball and one they should study.
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Recruit [81]
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Re: Dawgs will study Clemson game tapes and
Aug 1, 2013, 9:24 AM
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Dawgs will lose as will usc to tigers...believe it.
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Re: Dawgs will study Clemson game tapes and
Aug 1, 2013, 9:48 AM
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1. couldn't establish the run.
2. couldn't block a 4 man rush.
3. couldn't cover their receivers.
a lot is said that Thompson's running killed us, but he actually had 310yds passing to Tajh's 183yds. & he threw 3tds to Tajh's 1. & he threw 1 INT, where Tajh threw 2.
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Re: Dawgs will study Clemson game tapes and
Aug 1, 2013, 1:46 PM
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We did establish the run. We established it and then stopped running it...
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CU Guru [1898]
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Ouch! That is what worries me about
Aug 2, 2013, 12:20 AM
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the Dawg game. We were favored against coots, at home, etc. Huge, huge, game and fell flat. Surely Tajh has got that game out of his system.
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Re: Dawgs will study Clemson game tapes and
Aug 1, 2013, 10:09 AM
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We could not stop their second string QB or their second string RB. Also, we lacked the winning attitude that is needed to beat good teams. Not enough swagger.
I'm just hoping we improve ALL of that this year, or it'll be 5-in-a-row before we possibly beat them again.
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So sick of people saying
Aug 1, 2013, 12:04 PM
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that we lost because we abandoned the run game. We actually ran the ball 50% of the plays in the second half (9 out of 21 plays) and 50% of the plays the first half (20 out of 40 plays). We also ran the ball 50% for the entire game against LSU (50 out of 100). One of the idiots on 104.9 said this once and now everybody walks around repeating it.
We lost because our D could not get off the field and Sammy and Nuk (minus one spectacular play) had games to forget.
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Hate it when facts get in the way of a good excuse***
Aug 1, 2013, 12:08 PM
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nm
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Re: So sick of people saying
Aug 1, 2013, 1:47 PM
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how many of those "runs" were tajh running on pass play break down?
How many times did ellington run in the second half?
If you're going to let facts get in our way then use some decent one's.
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Re: Re: So sick of people saying
Aug 1, 2013, 1:50 PM
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Sacks and scrambles are passing plays.
Fact: we ran the ball the same amount the second half as the first which was the same amount against lsu.
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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wrong. sacks take away from rushing yards, so how do they
Aug 2, 2013, 5:28 AM
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count as passing plays ? i know the idea is that they were going to pass, but they didn't (on the sacks,anyways) on the scrambles, the qb could STILL run OR pass, as long as he's behind the los, they (scrambles)have an effect on a play, but they are not THE play.
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Re: wrong. sacks take away from rushing yards, so how do they
Aug 2, 2013, 9:47 AM
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Try to keep up. We're not talking about yards or production. We are talking about quantity of called pass plays vs. Quantity of Called run plays. It was remarkably consistent throughout entire usc and lsu game.
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Re: Dawgs will study Clemson game tapes and
Aug 1, 2013, 12:17 PM
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The main reason I see that Clemson beat LSU but not USCjr is the opposing offensive lines. Clemson's front seven was able to beat up and wear out LSU's OL, but USCjr's group did a better job of getting a push and protecting the QB. That's the main reason Clemson was able to force three and outs on LSU and not so much on the Coots.
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Clemson Sports Icon [55399]
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We lost to the coots because of poor coaching.
Aug 1, 2013, 12:47 PM
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Abandoned the run game for the short pass for what reason exactly? That loss was Chad Morris' fault.
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Re: We lost to the coots because of poor coaching.
Aug 1, 2013, 1:41 PM
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again....wrong
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Clemson Sports Icon [55399]
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Uh, I'm not. But thanks anyway.***
Aug 2, 2013, 5:08 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3393]
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Clemson Sports Icon [55399]
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You wanna explain to me why we abandoned the run?
Aug 2, 2013, 9:27 AM
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That was a coaching decision and it was poor.
= Poor coaching.
And where did I say anything about wanting to get rid of Morris?
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Orange Blooded [2128]
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we couldnt get off the field on 3rd down..
Aug 2, 2013, 8:22 AM
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someone should look up the time of possession.
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