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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Interesting Stats from Bowers in 2010...
Aug 15, 2013, 2:44 PM
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2010: Second on Clemson team in tackles (63), and leads in tackles for loss (24), sacks (15.5) an quarterback pressures (17)...his 24 tackles for loss have resulted in 150 lost yards for Clemson's opponents
Now from the ESPN Super-Pumper-SEC-fest Heisman Watch:
But Clowney is the most disruptive player in college football and is a potential No. 1 pick in next spring's NFL draft. The 6-foot-6, 274-pound junior had 54 tackles, 23.5 tackles for loss and 13 sacks last season.
How come bowers wasn't automatically given the Heisman his senior year and deemed the most disruptive player in CFB? Interesting.
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i will say this
Aug 15, 2013, 2:45 PM
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Clowney far superior over Bowers imo.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Because he knocked a players helmet off?
Aug 15, 2013, 2:48 PM
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Cuz the stats don't show it.
I know Clowney will be a Junior but those stats aren't exceptional. If he puts up even bigger numbers this year than great. I want to see that happen first (I don't really WANT to see that happen but you know what I mean).
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Re: Because he knocked a players helmet off?
Aug 15, 2013, 2:58 PM
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Bowers did not play his senior year
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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You're right... I meant is last year, 2010***
Aug 15, 2013, 3:05 PM
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Orange Immortal [65487]
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Don't overlook the fact that most teams have
Aug 15, 2013, 3:10 PM
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9 or 10 guys blocking Clowney on almost every play. And those are usually SEC teams!
Signed,
Typical Dirt Peck-er
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Orange Phenom [14935]
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I'd take '10 Bowers over any season Clowney has
Aug 15, 2013, 3:03 PM
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had--so far. He could have 20 sacks or something this year and make me change my mind. He's had 1 amazing game vs us and 1 play that everyone saw--other than that he's a freakish physical specimen who's lazy and takes entire series off. His hype is all about potential, not results.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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^^ Egg Zackley***
Aug 15, 2013, 3:06 PM
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CU Guru [1895]
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Yep
Aug 15, 2013, 3:24 PM
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And Bowers was a great player here and is probably better against the run. Still he can't touch Clowney's athleticism and pass rushing ability.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Interesting view.
Aug 15, 2013, 3:40 PM
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I thought sacks were the result of pass rushing ability.
15.5 > 13
Like I said... we'll see this year.
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CU Guru [1895]
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Stats don't always reflect reality.
Aug 15, 2013, 3:50 PM
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Bowers was able to overpower a lot of O-linemen his junior year, but he never really had any strong pass rushing moves. Clowney is much more explosive off the line and flat out gets to the QB faster.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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I mean, either you get to the QB or not, regardless of moves
Aug 15, 2013, 3:51 PM
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just saying.
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CU Guru [1895]
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Why do you think Bowers only had 4 sacks his first 2 years?
Aug 15, 2013, 4:01 PM
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And anyway I don't really get you and other people's point with this. Clowney is probably the best college football player in the country right now and will most likely go #1 overall in the draft after this season. There's no reason to try to act like he isn't good or whatever just because he plays for that other team.
They have some good players and so do we. It just looks petty from both sides to try and belittle that.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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I'm not saying he's not good. I'm saying the media
Aug 15, 2013, 4:04 PM
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is pumping him way more than he has proven on the field.
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Orange Immortal [65487]
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How many sleds did Bowers flip over?***
Aug 15, 2013, 3:10 PM
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Come on Smiling Tiger
Aug 15, 2013, 3:11 PM
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He's only human... Those things are near impossible to flip.
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Re: Interesting Stats from Bowers in 2010...
Aug 15, 2013, 3:16 PM
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> 2010: Second on Clemson team in tackles (63), and
> leads in tackles for loss (24), sacks (15.5) an
> quarterback pressures (17)...his 24 tackles for loss
> have resulted in 150 lost yards for Clemson's
> opponents
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> Now from the ESPN Super-Pumper-SEC-fest Heisman
> Watch:
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> But Clowney is the most disruptive player in college
> football and is a potential No. 1 pick in next
> spring's NFL draft. The 6-foot-6, 274-pound junior
> had 54 tackles, 23.5 tackles for loss and 13 sacks
> last season.
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> How come bowers wasn't automatically given the
> Heisman his senior year and deemed the most
> disruptive player in CFB? Interesting.
You're comparing Bowers' junior year to Clowney's Sophomore year. In Bowers' sophomore year, he had 3 sacks and 27 tackles.
If Clowney improves even half as much as Bowers did between his sophomore and junior seasons, Derrick Thomas' sack record is in danger.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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He was out for 3 games that due to an injury.
Aug 15, 2013, 3:22 PM
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And was probably slow returning that year from the injury.
Do your homework before open that beak, #######.
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Re: He was out for 3 games that due to an injury.
Aug 15, 2013, 5:30 PM
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> And was probably slow returning that year from the
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> Do your homework before open that beak, #######.
ah. so, if not for those 3 games, and that lingering "slow"-ness, he would've had nearly twice as many tackles and 4 or 5 times as many sacks?
The fact that Clowney is getting this hype reflects well on Bowers. Stick with me here: Bowers was widely considered a first round draft pick for the entire 2010 campaign. The fact that Clowney nearly matched Bowers' numbers while he was a year younger is the reason he's getting preseason Heisman hype.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Good question. How many yards would latty have gained
Aug 15, 2013, 5:32 PM
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if he hadn't gotten injured?
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Tired of the non-stop Clowney talk too, but...
Aug 15, 2013, 3:58 PM
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to your point about Bowers, he was considered a possible #1 pick in the draft until the injury issue was discovered. Had he come back for his senior year, he would have been considered one of the top players in the country regardless of position. So, he got his props, too.
Doo Doo is a beast, but I will say that I think the Michigan play has taken him over the top just because of the sensationalism of the helmet coming off - nobody points out that he was completely unblocked so the RB didn't have a chance.
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The difference......and decision maker-
Aug 15, 2013, 4:24 PM
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Bowers=ACC
Clowney=SEC
Quite simple actually.
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Re: Interesting Stats from Bowers in 2010...
Aug 15, 2013, 6:02 PM
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The thing that makes me mad is ESPN is one of the biggest reasons Clowney is so big in the Heisman race, and predicted to be #1 pick in NFL draft, even if he doesn't play. Don't get me wrong, Clowney is one heck of a player, but ESPN is building him up bigger than he is.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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^^ This is the point of my post. +1
Aug 15, 2013, 6:04 PM
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I was saying with the hype JC is getting, Bowers would have hands down won the heisman.
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Re: Re: Interesting Stats from Bowers in 2010...
Aug 15, 2013, 6:33 PM
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ESPN does build him up quite a bit. Maybe ESPN will have a 30 for 30 special on him titled " The Doo Doo that Couldn't be flushed"
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