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Another troubling FB matter is athletes finishing a 4 yr degree in
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Jan 15, 2022, 12:16 AM

2 1/2 to 3 years. No way Jose!!

Saying, I was a regular student, married last 90% and had a paper route so I had plenty of time to study and barely made it out with an above average IQ.

Now, take an athlete who has a much busier schedule with classes, meetings, practices, studying time, traveling time, etc and many are not brains coming out of high school.,

and you’re telling me that a decent % of them are finishing a 4 year curriculum in 2 1/2 to 3 years!!

I know they get tutoring & help I’d never would have dreamed of but on the other hand I think something fishy might be going on..but not to the degree that some athletes @ Chapel Hill were guilty of.

What thinks you?

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I say all Clemson degrees are legit, LBB. This ain't UNC!XD***


Jan 15, 2022, 12:18 AM



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Jan 15, 2022, 12:23 AM

My friend... I'd say you're on a roll. This is the first time I have ever seen a poster have the 1st 4 spots on the board.
TU for that.

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Jan 15, 2022, 12:26 AM

I stand corrected...
1st 5 poasts.

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Theyve cut the requirements down a lot for most degrees


Jan 15, 2022, 12:51 AM

The degrees that took 140+ hours all dropped closer to 120. Happened everywhere in the 90s because too many people were taking 5 years.

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^^ Now it’s making sense!!


Jan 15, 2022, 2:05 AM

Yep, I took over 4 1/2 years what with going 1 semester after high school, leaving for armed services, coming back years later married, breaking hip last semester & missing it and having to take over 20 hours in 2 sessions of Summer School to finish.

And you’re right in that many Clemson students took 5 & 6 years to finish 4 due to getting “F’s” or Incompletes and taking subjects over..

or changing Majors mid stream and needing to take additional subjects required.

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Also, most go to classes year round too…***


Jan 15, 2022, 5:42 AM [ in reply to Theyve cut the requirements down a lot for most degrees ]



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Re: Another troubling FB matter is athletes finishing a 4 yr degree in


Jan 15, 2022, 2:10 AM

LBB, they have a lot of help with study schedules, tutoring, everything at their fingertips via computers, etc., that some of us didn't have. It's impossible to compare. Plus, some are getting college credits from taking advanced courses in high school. I wouldn't speculate about the education they are getting.

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Jan 15, 2022, 4:16 AM

As said right above my post, internet courses and other ways that can be completed in the summer, etc. make it easier to obtain credits.

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Jan 15, 2022, 5:23 AM

Most of the kids that come out of high school already have a large number of college credits when they start college. The high schools are offering dual credit classes and AP classes making it way easier to finish college earlier.

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Jan 15, 2022, 7:43 AM

Things are different now. These students are taking A LOT of AP courses in high school. It is very common for a student to enter college with enough credits to be classified as a sophomore. Factor in summer classes and yes, they are graduating in 2.5 years.

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Jan 15, 2022, 7:49 AM

Vast majority of scholarship players wipe out credits in the summer sessions, which fast tracks them

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Jan 15, 2022, 7:56 AM

Well, if you stick around campus all summer every summer and take a full load of summer-semester classes in each of the two summer sessions, that helps a lot in terms of accelerating toward completion of a degree. Then, you take designed-for-athletes degrees that have minimal courseloads--let's just say that the 2.5 year completions are not in architecture or civil engineering, and are often things like "sports management"--you can see how this might get done.

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summer school. I've noticed my major has less credit hours


Jan 15, 2022, 8:29 AM

today than when I graduated. (haven't checked others) They also cut out some of the harder courses.


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Jan 15, 2022, 8:40 AM

No doubt they receive preferential treatment. They always have.

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Jan 15, 2022, 9:03 AM


2 1/2 to 3 years. No way Jose!!

Saying, I was a regular student, married last 90% and had a paper route so I had plenty of time to study and barely made it out with an above average IQ.

Now, take an athlete who has a much busier schedule with classes, meetings, practices, studying time, traveling time, etc and many are not brains coming out of high school.,

and you’re telling me that a decent % of them are finishing a 4 year curriculum in 2 1/2 to 3 years!!

I know they get tutoring & help I’d never would have dreamed of but on the other hand I think something fishy might be going on..but not to the degree that some athletes @ Chapel Hill were guilty of.

What thinks you?


Most of the posters have nailed it..
Less credits (I needed 141…they need 120ish)
High profile enter now in the Spring of their HS senior year - and then stay summer.
So before they’ve played a game they can earn about 30-32 credits.


Now the that they are all all year round they do the cycle of 3 full semester cycles ( Fall/Summer/Spring) with new variations not available to us in the 90’s or before
Week long on line or self paced on line classes. One can turn these out - and also - tutors!

So the 2 1/2 is possible - I doubt they have the social life outside of football like they used to and we used to!

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I would venture that the combination of tutors, plus majors


Jan 15, 2022, 9:21 AM

with lower number of credit hours required, PLUS them attending school year round, every summer session, is how they do it. PLUS nowadays, there are high school credits that can transfer in and count as college credits.

That would have sure been welcome back when I had to do 144 credit hours in nominally 4 years to get my Clemson Chemical Engineering BS. I say "nominally" four years, because I have detailed in the past my having to attend a summer session for that last Organic Chemistry course, which made me an August grad.

That summer session is otherwise named "A Slow Descent into H-ell."

I haven't seen him since August 1976, but the picture of Marullo taking a drag off his cigarette, and telling us three Chem E seniors in that summer class "Boys, I've flunked boys out of here and sent them to Viet Nam, you aren't gonna get a break from ME!" is one of the most indelibly etched pictures of all my memory.

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Jan 15, 2022, 10:07 AM

I’ve got twin boys at Clemson now. A year and a half in, one is classified as a senior and the other is one hour away. They are likely still not going to graduate early in engineering, but still.

My daughter graduated with a finance degree in December, 3.5 years, no summer school.

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Jan 15, 2022, 10:07 AM

I’ve got twin boys at Clemson now. A year and a half in, one is classified as a senior and the other is one hour away. They are likely still not going to graduate early in engineering, but still.

My daughter graduated with a finance degree in December, 3.5 years, no summer school.

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Jan 15, 2022, 10:07 AM

I’ve got twin boys at Clemson now. A year and a half in, one is classified as a senior and the other is one hour away. They are likely still not going to graduate early in engineering, but still.

My daughter graduated with a finance degree in December, 3.5 years, no summer school.

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Jan 15, 2022, 10:12 AM

It appears two other people are exactly like me! ??

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Yeah, there's something fishy going on.


Jan 15, 2022, 10:24 AM

They don't study the same subjects you took, the times are different and a lot of what athletes get credit for wasn't around back in the day.

They go to school all year round which most of us didn't do. They have times for study which are designated by the athletic department's staff and coordinated with coaching schedules. In those study periods they have tutors available to answer questions and teach concepts.

They probably have much fuller daily schedule than you did. I know for all but the last semester I worked full time, on weekends and many times between classes when my work was close to campus. I also had a family, wife growing fat and four children, one born my Jr year.

Spring of 88 I took 24 hrs then two 9hr/6wk summer sessions to do my senior year in six months. During that time wifeof was fat and five children at home. I borrowed 4 grand to live on and get by for six months, fed my fam with foodstamps and wore clothes given to us. Hard to do but temporary.

Though I only got a flat 'C,' average that semester I passed every class. Some may have been at the mercy of Dr Liska knowing that I needed out of school and on to life for my family. Thanks Prof Liska.

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Jan 15, 2022, 10:25 AM

It’s not as crazy as you think. I coached a student-athlete this year that will graduate high school with 45 college credit hours. He’ll be entering college as a second semester sophomore, technically. Christian Wilkins graduated in 2.5 years, but he also went to a private school in CT. So he almost certainly enrolled at Clemson with a bunch of college credits.

Now, you also have to consider that all of these athletes take summer classes. So, a normal student might take 30 hours/year, while athletes could take 40-45 hours/year.

On top of that, Clemson has a goal of graduating their students as quickly as possible. The advisors now are going to put you on a path to finish ASAP.

And the last thing to consider is that college is a lot easier now. Especially if you aren’t majoring in a mathematics/engineering degree. Parks and Rec Tourism is a common major with athletes, as well as sports marketing. Those are easy degrees to obtain.

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Jan 15, 2022, 10:44 AM

AP courses in HS, high placement scores can trim 1/2 to full year off the grad requirement. 12 sh each regular term + 12 over the summer is 36/year MINIMUM. This doesn’t even factor in any online coursework.

So say 12 hours upfront (4 courses) + 72 hours in just 2 years = 84 hours. Leaving only 30 or so hours to finish many majors over a 3rd year.

Now much different if you’re in engineering, bio sci, or double majoring. But a normal engineering major comes in with 30+ pre-earned SHs. So even then, it’s possible to finish in 3-3.5 years.

Most of us regular cats had to work PT and over summer to pay bills. SAs don’t have that concern.

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Jan 15, 2022, 10:47 AM

They go to summer school as well, I would guess.

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Jan 15, 2022, 10:55 AM

Yeah, and they’re all brilliant! 3.4’s and 3.5’s. Incredible how we find such scholarly athletes.

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Jan 15, 2022, 11:06 AM

Think of kids now... they enroll in January to be there for spring practice. They stay for summer school. They have tutors and a building dedicated to academics.

Athletes also get to register first. They get the pic of their classes, professors and time slots. It is necessary to schedule around practice.

Mondays used to be off for football practice so that was the day players scheduled labs. Saturday was game, Sunday was lifting and film review of game prior with a little conditioning or time with Danny Poole if you needed rehad. Monday is off. Tues and Wed was full pads. Thurs was shells. Friday was walk through and hotel.

Now a days, the players have ipads which makes film study much easier. Playbooks are digital too.

Its a well oiled machine. I find it hard to believe they all don't graduate in 3 years.

Spring semester for enrolling early
Summer school
Fall semester
Spring Semester
Summer school
Fall semester
Spring semester
Summer school
Fall semester
Spring Semester (end of 3rd year)

Just think if you red shirt and stay five years.... Skalski red-shirted, got a medical red-shirt then stayed for a Covid year.


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Troubling? Not really. Most of these guys are getting easier


Jan 15, 2022, 11:10 AM

degrees (still legit degrees, but they aren't taking Rocket Surgery type stuff).

Add in required study halls, tutoring, and summer school. It would be possible. Take 6 hours each summer session (remember, these guys aren't working - everything they need is provided) - you could easily finish in 3 years.

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Jan 15, 2022, 12:52 PM

They Probly go to every summer session

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Troubling that we provide them personal tutors


Jan 15, 2022, 1:08 PM

And they take full loads of summer classes while they train ?

I think it’s great. Good for them and our APR. We wouldn’t want to get on the NCAA’s bad side.

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Jan 15, 2022, 5:21 PM

I came into college with 49 credits just from high school dual enrollment. It’s not that far fetched to have these football players potentially having more coming into college.

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Jan 15, 2022, 5:29 PM

It's really just a matter of never taking a semester off. Especially for a lot of these guys they're coming in as EEs. That effectively allows them to get two full semesters out of the way before they ever even take the field. Depending on their major they may only have 5-6 semesters left which is pretty straightforward to do in 3 years.

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