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Why do you say that?
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Apr 23, 2023, 9:03 PM
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Staley is a 4 star, ranked the 32nd best recover in his class.
The other WR some of you are raving about as evidence that “we’re back” is a 4 star and the #49 WR in his class.
These guys seem to be really good players, and could be among the best WRs we have ever had, but they do not seem to be the elite level WRs we got in the past - at least not on paper.
We have to sign them, then coach them up, and do all we can to keep them healthy and also put them in positions to succeed. I hope that happens, but let’s not count our chickens before they hatch.
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National Champion [8040]
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Re: Why do you say that?
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Apr 23, 2023, 9:09 PM
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“Let’s not count our chickens before they hatch”. You mean like you do with Brad’s recruits and teams every #### year?
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Paw Warrior [4605]
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Re: Why do you say that?
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Apr 23, 2023, 9:23 PM
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Thought you were banned from posting about football?
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Tiger Titan [50775]
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Banned for having an unpopular opinion at times?
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Apr 24, 2023, 11:54 AM
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I don't think that's what the TigerNet founders envisioned when they created this site.
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Game Changer [1811]
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Re: Why do you say that?
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Apr 23, 2023, 9:27 PM
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I actually agree with Judge on this one. Yes he is talented but is he just an above average servacible WR or is he a game changer like we had with Watkins, renfrow, tee, mike, nuk?
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Paw Warrior [4846]
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Re: Why do you say that?
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Apr 24, 2023, 10:49 AM
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Stop using HR as an example when discussing landing big time WR. On a paper HR was a 2* and no one wanted him. If we signed him today everyone would be exploding on message boards.
But I do agree we need to get back to landing the top 10 receivers. Or we just have to hope our coaches are evaluating the right talent and these guys will turn out to be really good.
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Ring of Honor [22198]
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Re: Why do you say that?
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Apr 24, 2023, 11:04 AM
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When have we ever landed too 10 receivers at will?? Some of the best receivers y’all keep throwing up weren’t rated as top 10 receivers
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Tiger Titan [50775]
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We have had a lot of top 10 receivers.
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Apr 24, 2023, 12:42 PM
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All of these guys were top 10 receivers in their class according to 247Sports:
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Sammy Watkins, #4 receiver in his class
Charone Peake, #5 receiver in his class
2012:
Germone Hopper, #8 receiver in his class
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Artavis Scott, #8 receiver in his class
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Deon Cain, #2 receiver in his class
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Tee Higgins, #2 receiver in his class
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Derion Kendrick, #4 receiver in his class
Justyn Ross, #7 receiver in his class
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Frank Ladson, #7 receiver in his class
Joe Ngata, #9 receiver in his class
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Antonio Williams, #9 receiver in his class
We have also signed some highly touted receivers outside the top 10 the last few years, including EJ Williams (#13 WR in the class of 2020) and Beaux Collins (#12 receiver in the class of 2021).
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National Champion [7640]
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Re: We have had a lot of top 10 receivers.
Apr 24, 2023, 3:31 PM
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Martavis Bryant was a Top 5 receiver in that 2011 class as well.
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Paw Warrior [4846]
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Re: Why do you say that?
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Apr 24, 2023, 1:05 PM
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Tee Higgins, Justin Ross, Sammy Watkins, Charone Peake, and I believe Ngata was a 5 * but was a bust. We definitely have landed a few in dabos time but we also landed quality 4* guys. We also hit on those guys. We’ve struggled to hit on our WRs lately.
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Game Changer [1810]
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Yes unfortunately he's correct....
Apr 24, 2023, 11:14 AM
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There are a lot of 4☆s, high end 4s can possibly be early contributors but for most it's unlikely—
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Re: Why do you say that?
Apr 24, 2023, 11:16 AM
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I actually agree with Judge on this one. Yes he is talented but is he just an above average servacible WR or is he a game changer like we had with Watkins, renfrow, tee, mike, nuk?
We dont know at this point. Two things are hurting us at this point. NIL upfront payments to WRs are taking the elite guys and our lack of offensive production the last two years. We need a good year throwing the ball this year to get back in the game.
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Re: Why do you say that?
Apr 24, 2023, 12:44 PM
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Renfrow was a walk on. You dont know if they are game changer until they get here.
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Dynasty Maker [3373]
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Re: Why do you say that?
Apr 24, 2023, 1:01 PM
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You do know 3 out of the 5 receivers you mentioned were 4 stars or less?
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Paw Master [16616]
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Re: Why do you say that?
Apr 23, 2023, 9:33 PM
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Concerning your last paragraph, that goes for all recruits.
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Ring of Honor [22911]
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Re: Why do you say that?
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Apr 24, 2023, 11:30 AM
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I guess we shouldn't have recruited/signed Nuk and Mike Will either...they definitely weren't elite level...SMH
Maybe you should be more concerned that your favorite Clemson coach can't keep his highest ranked recruits on the team past a year.
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National Champion [7773]
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You hype up
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Apr 24, 2023, 11:37 AM
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Brad's 2 and 3 star recruits every year lol. Then they ride the bench and transfer out
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Tiger Titan [50775]
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Basketball has nothing to do with this.
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Apr 24, 2023, 12:44 PM
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But you know that.
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Clemson Conqueror [11369]
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Re: Why do you say that?
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Apr 24, 2023, 12:36 PM
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Just to counter that a bit, Taylor, Staley and Paylor are our top targets from the get go of this class, so if we can land 2 of 3 top rated WRs by our coaches, I think that speaks volumes. Especially with all the chatter of us missing our top targets in recent years, so we can’t complain about settling for 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th options in recent years and then gripe about getting our top targeted skill players because we don’t think they are ranked high enough.
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Tiger Titan [50775]
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Why were these guys our top targets?
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Apr 24, 2023, 12:45 PM
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I can't imagine that our coaches felt that those few guys are truly the best WRs in this class.
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Tiger Titan [50775]
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Nuk was an outstanding receiver for us.
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Apr 24, 2023, 1:33 PM
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I personally think Sammy was better, but there is no argument that Nuk is one of our best receivers ever.
Let's not act like he wasn't considered a good recruit though. Coming out of high school, he was a 4 star, top 30 WR in his class and had offers from ACC, SEC, and Big 10 schools.
I don't mind us offering players like that. The point is that it's lame for our fans to defend our recent WR recruiting by saying that our coaches are getting the guys they want most.
If our coaches consistently think WRs ranked outside the top 20 are the best in their recruiting class, or even the best for us, then they are not very good at evaluating players.
Finding a diamond in the rough on occasion is different than relying on those players for the bulk of our signees.
A much more likely scenario is that the elite WRs lately aren't considering us, despite our initial interest in them. Some of you need to acknowledge that, rather than trying to spin it as us not wanting them.
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Re: Nuk was an outstanding receiver for us.
Apr 24, 2023, 2:28 PM
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Staley has offers from UGA, Tenn, and Alabama as well. We offered him around the same time they did. I’ll trust the evaluations of all our staffs over websites, even if we have had some busts.
I’m not one of the ones arguing that we haven’t missed on our top guys in the last few years, but both Staley and Taylor were clearly early priorities by our staff this cycle. I do disagree with you coming in whining about where 247 has this kid ranked when he’s right around the same place as Nuk.
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Game Changer [1669]
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Re: Why were these guys our top targets?
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Apr 24, 2023, 12:56 PM
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This is the price you pay when you have a QB that couldn't go to check downs and call audibles and a coordinator that couldn't trust the QB to read the field for the past 2-3 years. I am going back to essentially when Jeff Scott left. We weren't ranked in the top 50 in receiving yards for the past two years.
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Tiger Titan [50775]
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Yes, this is what happens when you hire unqualified coaches.***
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Clemson Conqueror [11369]
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Re: Why were these guys our top targets?
Apr 24, 2023, 12:57 PM
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That would be a question for our coaches who evaluate the talent. But they were in fact our top of the board WRs and offers, I’m not a talent evaluator, I’ll leave that to the guy making 10+ million a year.
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Game Changer [1810]
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"top targets" in the context that we have a reasonable chance of signing ****
Apr 24, 2023, 1:56 PM
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Re: Why do you say that?
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Apr 24, 2023, 1:29 PM
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What's wrong with being optimistic? Living in a dark, negative world is no fun.
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Tiger Titan [50775]
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Being optimistic is great!
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Apr 24, 2023, 1:37 PM
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Don't you think that optimism should be based on something tangible though?
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Re: Why do you say that?
Apr 24, 2023, 1:43 PM
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What receivers are you speaking of and where were they ranked?
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National Champion [7839]
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Re: Another CB for Braylon Staley
Apr 24, 2023, 10:38 AM
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Alex Taylor is underrated, IMO. I believe he will rise in the rankings after he completes the camp circuits and puts together a great senior season. I think he eventually becomes a top 150 recruit.
Braylon Staley has the speed to be a difference maker for the offense since we do not have someone with that type of speed. Although I would prefer Mike Matthews, Staley would still be a nice pickup.
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Paw Warrior [4846]
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Re: Another CB for Braylon Staley
Apr 24, 2023, 10:52 AM
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Definitely still have a shot at Matthew’s. Though he could also end up on the defensive side of the ball.
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Re: Another CB for Braylon Staley
Apr 24, 2023, 11:05 AM
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Receivers being mentioned in this thread rate similarly to Deandre Hopkins and Mike Williams coming out of HS….
No need to play the Hunter Renfrow card….
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Game Changer [1810]
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True but also Thompson and others that never panned out****
Apr 24, 2023, 11:18 AM
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National Champion [7839]
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Re: Another CB for Braylon Staley
Apr 24, 2023, 11:06 AM
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It will probably come down to whether he wants to play WR or S in college. He can definitely do both.
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Re: Another CB for Braylon Staley
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Apr 24, 2023, 11:07 AM
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Yep. Would love to land Matthews and/or Coleman. Those are the elite type guys we used to land.
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National Champion [7722]
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Re: Another CB for Braylon Staley
Apr 24, 2023, 11:24 AM
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Alabama and Georgia, along with other elite programs, have commitments from WRs that are ranked below him in his class. Why are we trashing him again?
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Re: Another CB for Braylon Staley
Apr 24, 2023, 11:36 AM
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when did we offer Staley? if its recent, doesn't that usually mean there is another higher rated receiver on the board we are not going to gety?
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Orange Phenom [14598]
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Maybe, but we've signed 1 top 10 compositive WR in the last
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Apr 24, 2023, 12:03 PM
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4 recruiting classes. Ohio State has 9 in that same time frame and Bama has 5.
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Re: Maybe, but we've signed 1 top 10 compositive WR in the last
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Apr 24, 2023, 12:27 PM
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OhioSt currently has 2 of the top 4. Unreal
Last year 4 of the top 10.
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Re: So ironic….
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Apr 24, 2023, 1:24 PM
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Anyone downplaying Staley in this thread…
It’s so ironic….
This board was awash with how did we miss on Jalin Hyatt!!??!!
Guess who else is all over Staley? Tennessee…
Staley is very much in the mold of Hyatt..
Skill players in the state of South Carolina are subject to being underrated when being compared to kids from programs in larger states…
I feel like our staff is being smart here and may have learned something from some errors..,
Smaller- quicker wr’s have been lacking from our offense …
Seems to be a clear recruiting effort to fix that…
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Since when is he anywhere near as fast as Hyatt****
Apr 24, 2023, 2:03 PM
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Game Changer [1810]
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Orange Elite [5221]
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Very good news BUT
Apr 24, 2023, 4:38 PM
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“Reloading” is not the right wording in my opinion.
He is a solid player who has potential and if he works hard could be very very good but he’s not elite.
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Re: Another CB for Braylon Staley
Apr 24, 2023, 5:03 PM
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Great news, I would love to get him and Taylor.
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