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So why a year later is this coming up?***
Oct 5, 2022, 4:33 PM
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Re: So why a year later is this coming up?***
Oct 5, 2022, 4:36 PM
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Because the Tigers are winning again
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Solid point.***
Oct 5, 2022, 4:39 PM
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Re: Solid point.***
Oct 7, 2022, 7:04 PM
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The easy route would be for Dabo to dismiss Davis. Davis’ play has been subpar, it looks like he will not be contributing much to this team.
What would that accomplish? The kid would lose his only chance for an education. It looks like pro ball is not really an option for him at present. Let the courts decide his punishment.
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Re: So why a year later is this coming up?***
Oct 5, 2022, 7:55 PM
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Agree Noodle. This has nothing to do with their status on the football team. The legal system is working as it should. Hate it for the lady and her family who didn’t ask to be involved. Just in case a lot of commenters don’t get it; there are circumstances for our actions, be it legal or spiritual regardless of who you are or where you play football. Hope she is recovering. Pray for all involved!!
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Re: So why a year later is this coming up?***
Oct 5, 2022, 5:22 PM
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Makes me wonder about some of the people on this board…
This person was almost killed because of the gross negligence of others. She will win her suit and absolutely deserves whatever is awarded.
The timing has nothing to do with Clemson…it has to do with the year it’s taken to heal and figure out what, if any, longer term problems will persist.
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Clearly, it was a tongue and cheek response to my
Oct 5, 2022, 5:31 PM
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question. It’s not unreasonable for a civil trial to materialize far sooner than this one is now being reported. Further, my response was to the social media post, not to any discussion about their being sued. It wasn’t until shortly after that the details of the civil suit were posted here…
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Re: So why a year later is this coming up?***
Oct 7, 2022, 12:03 PM
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Can’t get blood out of a turnip. Unless they got some fat NIL deals they have nothing. Unless they are suing his insurance company.
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Re: So why a year later is this coming up?***
Oct 5, 2022, 8:10 PM
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Bet if it was you or your family member that almost lost their life thru no fault of their own, you would not be “wondering”.
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Re: So why a year later is this coming up?***
Oct 5, 2022, 4:39 PM
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The civil suit has been filed so it is now “news worthy”. I believe the courts are backed up so the actual trial won’t happen for some time
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Orange Phenom [14135]
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I assume the victim had other things to deal with
Oct 5, 2022, 5:01 PM
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Like,perhaps healing from her injuries. I think a lot of the details that are coming out are only coming out because they're included in the complaint; so there's a lot more to write about because of the suit.
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I’d say it’s safe to assume the attorneys have been
Oct 5, 2022, 5:21 PM
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working her case while she recovers… My point was if they were racing, seems like that detail would have been included in the criminal aspect of the accident.
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Orange Phenom [14135]
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It was
Oct 5, 2022, 5:22 PM
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That they were racing has always been known.
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So they were charged with racing?***
Oct 5, 2022, 5:25 PM
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Orange Phenom [14135]
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Let me go ask my captain
Oct 5, 2022, 5:44 PM
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Oh wait I don't work for the Clemson police department. Do you think the victim is lying?
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You responded to my question, lol. You just don’t
Oct 5, 2022, 6:13 PM
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have your facts right I guess. It’s ok. I’ll defer to someone that knows what they are talking about.
No, I don’t think the victim is lying because she wouldn’t be the one the police relied on solely to charge them. I’d venture to say they made that determination by, you know, investigating. That is if that was even a charge…
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I think he was charged with reckless driving and was estimated to
Oct 5, 2022, 6:26 PM
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be going over a 100mph. To your point, "racing" has nothing to do with it. Pretty much a matter of how much money the lady will be given at this point.
Maybe some booster can work out an "NIL" deal? 
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Gooch chose to be argumentative and now looks foolish.
Oct 5, 2022, 6:48 PM
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Point made.
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Orange Phenom [14135]
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How's that?
Oct 5, 2022, 7:28 PM
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You're the fool. You started this whole sub discussion stating there was something suspect about how long the victim waited to file a civil suit. That there's something unusual about someone who almost died taking several months to get the critical parts of her life in order before bringing a suit. If you hadn't heard about the racing angle before now that's on you it was part of the discussion last July when the whole thing went down. This isn't someone trying to make Clemson look bad now that we're back in the top 5; it's simply someone trying to get back some semblance of normalcy.
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Re: How's that?
Oct 5, 2022, 7:41 PM
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Where did I say it was suspect? Lol, all I did was ask why it was brought up BEFORE the article was posted here just hours ago. Where did I say it was someone trying to make Clemson look bad?
Your comprehension is terrible if you really think posters that responded to me weren’t being sarcastic. If you can’t detect sarcasm, that’s on you…
Again, you’ve made yourself look ridiculous.
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Orange Phenom [14135]
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Sure
Oct 5, 2022, 7:50 PM
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You posted the question because you’re someone with an exceeding inquiring mind, and your response of “solid point” to the person who theorized that the story was coming back up because we were winning was sarcasm. I don’t know how I didn’t comprehend that; it was so adroitly executed.
Insert LOL ROTFL SMH TLDR or whatever else insipid acronym it is you’re supposed to use when you’re trying sound smarter than someone else
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That’s right. Now you’ve got it.
Oct 5, 2022, 8:18 PM
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When you’re too dense to understand that a lot of writing is nuanced, not black and white, you end up looking like, well, what you do now. It’s no big deal, but it’s interesting to see how much it seems to bother you.
For the record, I haven’t tried to sound smarter. I think you’ve done a great job doing that for me.
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Orange Phenom [14135]
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It's one of the things that makes the Tigernet boards less
Oct 5, 2022, 8:37 PM
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Enjoyable. Poster like you who have no wit, nuance, or writing acumen; but still think they can post some unfunny joke or attempt to (claim) post something in sarcasm. If this was an attempt at sarcasm you failed miserably. I still attest that you just simply posted something stupid and are claiming after the fact that it was sarcasm. I'm not offended or angry at anything you wrote; however I am a little annoyed at myself for wasting so much time on you. So imma let you go now.
Smooches
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It doesn’t help you’re emotional about this or otherwise
Oct 5, 2022, 8:51 PM
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you’d see my comment to another poster in the thread well before you even posted about the nature of my OP and responses therein. You could also do better arguing by not mincing and manipulating what is in clear contrast to anything you’ve claimed (in writing in this thread). You misspoke, excuse me, miswrote everything in rebuttal to your posts except when you agreed sarcastically that you were wrong and you’re bold enough to throw shade at my writing? Bruh, you’ve let your emotions come before logic.
That should be what annoyed you, homie, FWIW.
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Pete passed the vibe check.***
Oct 5, 2022, 9:58 PM
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Re: So why a year later is this coming up?***
Oct 5, 2022, 5:42 PM
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Probably because the family was not satisfied with the insurance settlement. This is a civil suit, not criminal so it except for the huge mental stress, it should affect the players. Very sad situation when people of all ages think they can drive however they want to.
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If you can’t keep up, don’t post.
Oct 5, 2022, 6:18 PM
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ever again.
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Who are the dumbarses here?
Oct 5, 2022, 6:29 PM
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Surely the ones that nearly killed a mail lady while racing at 100+ mph, right?
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Re: So why a year later is this coming up?***
Oct 5, 2022, 8:11 PM
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It is a civil lawsuit....criminal stuff is in the past....no one should be surprised that that there is a lawsuit....
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You sue someone in a civil case to recoup damages
Oct 5, 2022, 9:39 PM
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You typically wait as long as possible to determine all of your damages before moving forward with the lawsuit.
For example. If you have a year’s worth of surgery and PT then you want to be able to present those cost to the judge so you are not relying upon an estimate.
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Costs for surgeries should be covered by vehicle
Oct 5, 2022, 9:56 PM
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insurance. Damages first come out of the offending policy owner and secondarily, the victims’ own.
Civil is meant to cover pain and suffering.
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Re: Costs for surgeries should be covered by vehicle
Oct 7, 2022, 12:18 PM
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There are limits on insurance policies...
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Hence the reference to one policy to the next…***
Oct 8, 2022, 2:39 AM
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Associate AD [1088]
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You sue someone in a civil case to recoup damages
Oct 5, 2022, 9:39 PM
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You typically wait as long as possible to determine all of your damages before moving forward with the lawsuit.
For example. If you have a year’s worth of surgery and PT then you want to be able to present those cost to the judge so you are not relying upon an estimate.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 4:36 PM
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It’s a terrible situation. The players have already paid a high price for their bad judgement and this civil suit will likely add to it.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:45 PM
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They did? Fred Davis almost killed a woman due to gross negligence and played in 9 games last year. As far as can be found online Malcolm Greene was never punished. There's no evidence either of them have suffered any real consequences yet.
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And you have no idea what they have endured since then.
Oct 5, 2022, 6:17 PM
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You’re purely speculating how it has been handled internally and with the families.
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Re: And you have no idea what they have endured since then.
Oct 5, 2022, 6:27 PM
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I'm saying it shouldn't have been handled internally. It was a public event that deserve public punishment. Dabo should have to answer to why Greene was never publicly punished. And should have to answer why Davis's punishment was so light. This was a serious event and by every appearance Dabo didn't take it seriously.
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Wth are you talking about, "public punishment"
Oct 5, 2022, 6:36 PM
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His charge is the same regardless.
What do you suggest? A public flogging on Bowman field. It may sound coarse, but driving over 100 mph and being responsible for a wreck causing injury doesn't change unless there's a death. He wasn't drinking or anything otherwise.
Like BBO said, stop the speculation. The punishment is done. It won't change based on the monetary settlement. Move on.
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You’re still just speculating. Yea,
Oct 5, 2022, 6:59 PM
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Let’s hang them and sell viewing tickets to donate to the victim. I’m sure that’s what she wants done too. An eye for an eye, aye?
The law, the civil courts and the authority in charge of the program are responsible, not you and your pitchfork. You’ve got no clue what Dabo did to handle it. We’ve seen him dismiss players for criminal activity. We’ve seen him go far beyond the law and sense of decency to discipline his players without doing so publicly. You’re either trolling or aren’t using logic or both.
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Why do you always act like a coot?
Oct 5, 2022, 6:38 PM
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Are you a coot? You seem like a coot.
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What was out of line with my question? TIA***
Oct 5, 2022, 6:49 PM
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Because no one knows what the actual punishment was.
Oct 5, 2022, 6:55 PM
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But like the post you're questioning, I have no doubt Dabo handled it appropriately.
At no point has he EVER been lenient with knuckleheads, and assuredly he wasn't here.
The punishment is done. No new charges will come of this, hence, no new punishment. The only remaining unknown is how much money the lady will be awarded. Stay tuned if you're interested in that, but there's zero sense debating the extent of punishment, because as fans we'll never know. But again, I have full confidence in how it was handled based on Dabo's track record of taking zero crap.
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Any punishment from Dabo is not a “high price.”
Oct 5, 2022, 7:00 PM
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That’s not a real “punishment.” They didn’t serve jail time, lose their job, lose their scholarship, get kicked out of college, or anything like that. No punishment in the “real world.” Which is fine, I don’t really care, but it’s a joke to say they paid a “high price.”
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Jail time doesn't apply here in any way, shape, or form
Oct 5, 2022, 7:12 PM
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for what occurred.
You can yank a scholarship ("loss of job"), but that wasn't deemed appropriate for a traffic violation. It was incredibly poor judgment, regardless of the outcome.
They've had every bit of punishment applicable to the charges.
There are devil's advocates in these message board debates, then there are guys who act like ignorant coots. Congrats.
And too, i'm still waiting on you to explain your stance on why you think Ship fumbled. I asked twice.
You seem like you're full of hot air. No substance.
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Agreed, given the legal situation, a big punishment wasnt
Oct 5, 2022, 7:26 PM
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necessary. So they didn’t pay a “high price.” They probably paid an appropriate price, which is different.
As for the Shipley fumble, I never looked at that thread again after I posted. I thought he lost control of the ball before his knee was down. I also only saw it live and the few replays after, haven’t gone back and looked again. Could be wrong. But not something I’m really worried about, just what I thought at the time and was wondering if that would be the call coming out of the review. Glad it wasn’t.
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Yet again, you have no idea whatsoever what the internal
Oct 5, 2022, 9:03 PM
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punishment was. It's not a legal requirement that ANY internal punishment is administered. I agree we don't know if it was appropriate or high, but all things considered isn't "appropriate", which very well could be "high", not enough for you? You don't seem to be making a point beyond idle and worthless speculation. Do you get that, or no?
I seriously doubt your honesty in not seeing the thread pop up to the top, but in any case, Ship was still holding the ball against his chest when the knee hit. Doesn't matter if the perception was it was moving, when his knee hit, the play is dead that very microsecond. The ball did not come loose until after the play was formally dead.
Your stance has changed somewhat from your definitive post in question, so yeah, you weren't correct. With all things considered that the ball did not leave his possession until after the play was dead, do you admit to being wrong in your definitive statement?
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Letterman [257]
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Your rambling post was a bit hard to follow.
Oct 5, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Yes appropriate is enough for me, I don’t care if they got nothing, doesn’t affect me. But I’m sure whatever the punishment was it was appropriate. Still on the team and playing games, sounds like a minor punishment. Which is why I called it such.
You act as if I sit on Tigernet all day waiting for responses to my casual comments. I would have to watch the replays again to see, but ya I could be wrong.
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Re: Any punishment from Dabo is not a “high price.”
Oct 5, 2022, 7:14 PM
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-They didn’t have jobs to lose.
-The law isn’t written to imprison under the circumstances determined applied to this incident.
-The school has rules regarding conduct and found it was not necessary to kick them out nor pull their scholarships.
-You don’t know what Dabo required of them to stay.
It was a terrible accident and one it appears they have been held accountable beyond what is public, hence they are still with the program.
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Bingo***
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No, it doesn't.***
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 4:44 PM
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I was surprised Dabo didn't kick Davis off the team because of this. He almost killed someone. But then, it just went away. Reared its ugly head again.
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Agree. Felt for sure he was gone.***
Oct 5, 2022, 6:23 PM
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 4:47 PM
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Attorney turned to the dark side. Went to Clemson undergrad, then Georgia law school. Injury lawyers are the scum of the earth, IMO.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 4:58 PM
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But still feel really bad for the postal driver - assuming will be going after deep pockets - ie: insurance companies.
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So because he went to Clemson, he shouldn’t help a victim of a Clemson football player?
Oct 5, 2022, 5:08 PM
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Is that what you’re saying?
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Re: So because he went to Clemson, he shouldn’t help a victim of a Clemson football player?
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Is that what you’re saying?
I had the same thought Judge.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:20 PM
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Someone hit me while racing, doing 115 mph, I'd sue also. Don't care if he is a Tiger.
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Clemson Icon [24158]
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Good. They deserve to pay
Oct 5, 2022, 5:01 PM
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I hope they both make it to the NFL so that postal worker can get take their salaries until she's comfortable for the rest of her life.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:02 PM
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It is a terrible and horrible situation. My heart goes out to the family of the postal worker. As bad as this was when it happened and even today, we were all kids at one point and we all drove stupidly at one point in our life. There are many of us on T-Net that probably raced one of our buddies at some point. We have all been guilty.
Now, this does not make what happened okay, but kids do stupid stuff and sometimes they have to pay for those stupid mistakes. In this case, these kids made a terrible decision and will have to pay a price for that decision. I only hope they both learned a very hard and valuable lesson. With that being said, maybe jail time would have been appropriate and maybe releasing Davis from scholarship would have been appropriate, but I am on the outside looking in.
Bless the family may they be blessed financially through this terrible ordeal.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:06 PM
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This won't reach court until next year. Hopefully the insurance companies will come forward (really doubtful) and make her life better.
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This goes beyond "stupid decisions."
Oct 5, 2022, 5:24 PM
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Maybe revoking their driving privileges for 20 years (or longer) would be appropriate. In addition to financial compensation to the victim.
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Freshman [-74]
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You can't just make up jailtime for what's a horrible traffic incident.
Oct 5, 2022, 6:44 PM
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And 20 years is literally insane. There are outright murderers today getting 25 years and less.
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Top TigerNet [29902]
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I didn't mean go to jail for 20 years.
Oct 5, 2022, 6:49 PM
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I meant no driver's license for 20 years. Sorry about the confusion.
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Freshman [-74]
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Noted, but still, the charge doesn't come with
Oct 5, 2022, 7:02 PM
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any potential whatsoever to result in a 20-yr license revocation.
The charges and punishment are done. All that's left is a determination of her justified monetary compensation.
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Top TigerNet [29902]
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I agree. The law doesn't allow...
Oct 5, 2022, 8:23 PM
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for a lengthy suspension of driving privileges.
I'm just saying that it should. If 19 year old kids knew they couldn't drive for 10 or 20 years if they were caught racing on public roads, it might be a deterrent. And, if it wasn't, then a 19 year old kid who races on public roads should not be allowed to drive for the next 10-20 years. Maybe when he was allowed to drive again he would be a safer driver.
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Isn't there a criminal offense called "vehicular battery"?
Oct 5, 2022, 5:37 PM
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Sounds at the very least those two will be tried for that, if their actions while racing caused personal injury to another party. Dash the bad press for the football program, this is a serious event in these young men's lives. I am more than sure that the lawyers will bring out all details going forward, if there are lawsuits involved.
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Freshman [-74]
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Vehicular battery applies when drugs or alcohol are involved.
Oct 5, 2022, 7:06 PM
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And this civil lawsuit is not about increasing the charges.
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Hopefully Dabo learned from this.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:03 PM
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Next time he should contact Ms Rancor and ask her what should be the proper discipline for his players.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:07 PM
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Sorry, I don't remember much except faint details of the original story.
Were they charged by the police at the time? What were the charges? What was the fine?
Do they have insurance? How badly was the postal worker hurt? How much did the insurance company pay the injured party?
Folks, I'm no fan of ambulance chasers. We have the largest law firm in the country with the home office in Orlando. I'm sure he's in SC - he's all over the south. Morgan and Morgan. He's a sleaze ball.
But, if the guy was injured because of reckless driving, then I have no problem with a court deciding how much compensation is adequate for him.
I have no sympathy for guys who are driving recklessly (and I'm not talking about going 80 on the interstate) and endangering others. Actions have consequences. Saying, "I'm sorry and it won't happen again" sometimes isn't enough.
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I just read the TNet summary of the accident.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:21 PM
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I have no idea of the details. I don't know the specifics of the injuries. I don't know the amount of medical expenses, pain and injury suffering the insurance company has offered. I don't know if this is a legitimate claim by the victim or if it is a case of ambulance chasers looking for big bucks.
But, based on the limited information given in the story, I have no sympathy for Davis or Greene. If the injuries to the postal worker are life-long serious problems, then no amount of money will be adequate to fairly compensate her.
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Re: I just read the TNet summary of the accident.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:28 PM
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Agree Bret. Their importance to team means nothing compared to their obligation to this postal worker. Wish we had all the information concerning both sides.
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Orange Blooded [2021]
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Yeah I had a similar wreck
Oct 5, 2022, 6:19 PM
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I-26 w on the way home from visiting gf in cola. Its midnight, I'm goin 80 legally insured all that. I also had a flip screen dvd player in front with me
I remember road work sign butpassed all signs and went on for about a mile so, I change back over lanes and CC SET pit in dark knight dvd. I look up there's y tractor trailer PARKED in highway and I'm 5 yards away from it going 80. I remember pulling right as hard as I could, fishtailing, missing the trailer of the truck with all but left rear caught edge of trailer as I 360d off the interstate and ce to to realize I was alive, and being that I'd just nicked the back of the trailer I thought they couldn't have been impacted. SCDOT worker
Was it my fault, technically. But no road work signs during pitch black when people are PARKED on a hwy isn't good either. I mentioned this to Geico and may have been what saved me from a civil suit bc all of a sudden a month later I get mail saying the driver of truck said neck was hurting! Lmao
Anyway I didn't have to pay a thing other than the too fast for conditions or some crap ticket and the damage to my car bc I had liability.
I wasn't a Clemson. Athlete but neither was I loved with money. Neither are Fred or Malcome;. how in the world can someone choose the timeframe of when they want their compensation paid based on "possible NFL future:" So I'm thinking out football program really needed DBs, still do, and Dabo decided to be a lil soft on a big matter bc of the position, not bc of talent. Still wrong, but nothing all the university's aren't doing.
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the only new piece of information here is regarding Greene
Oct 5, 2022, 5:31 PM
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possibly racing him. Everything else was already known. We knew he was driving 100+, we knew he hit and severely injured the postal worker who would be dealing with this the rest of her life. We knew that she would sue FD(and justifiably). So other than possible Greene involvement(which there doesn't seem to be a lot presented on that front yet other than his name in the lawsuit), I don't see how this changes anything on what the school, Dabo or anyone else has done for punishment they applied a year ago.
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Exactly what I was thinking
Oct 5, 2022, 6:29 PM
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Everything w/ Davis was pretty much well known. W/ this piece of news it makes me curious as to how that fact is now coming out & how it slipped thru the cracks last year when this took place.
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Maybe the media missed it, but
Oct 5, 2022, 9:17 PM
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"Swinney said after practice on Wednesday that they knew the details involved and that it won’t affect the status of the players on the roster, as they have both gone through the legal and internal punishment process already"
Not new.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:34 PM
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Civil procedures sometimes aren’t filed for years after the event. She’s needs money to survive and this will probably be resolved quickly without going to court. On the other hand . . .
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:43 PM
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Those involved will pay. In a case like this rarely does insurance maximums cover the medical bills, loss of income and suffering.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:46 PM
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She was a postal worker hurt on the job. I am sure she has disability and workers compensation. Not to say she should not seek civil damages but she should not be hurting for money win or lose
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Twitter bubbles up old trash, there's some news!***
Oct 5, 2022, 5:43 PM
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Paw Master [16191]
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This one isn’t as simple as it seems
Oct 5, 2022, 5:45 PM
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You cannot ignore the fact that someone was indeed traumatically injured and their life altered forever
But, the ends don’t always justify the means right? If these guys were racing and got caught speeding, what would we think the punishment should be? Does the fact that she did get injured change what the outcome/punishment should be regarding playing, being a Clemson student, etc? Should Davis have a more severe consequence than Greene when they were doing the same thing?
I really am not sure what the appropriate outcome should be. It’s awful that they hurt someone, and I’m sure they feel that. There will be consequences. There will be financial accountability. There almost certainly has been a license suspension…
Does it make sense to kick them off campus or team? The choice was stupid, but I think intent matters, and they didn’t intend to hurt anyone.
This is one where everyone will have an opinion, but perhaps it should be tempered with some thoughtfulness.
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Freshman [-74]
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It's actually very simple. Fred Davis was charged with reckless driving,
Oct 5, 2022, 6:29 PM
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and the lady will win a bunch of money in the civil case.
The end.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 5:48 PM
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Should’ve been kicked off the team, would be nice if the media also ran with other top schools players getting arrested for rape and other things. Not saying they shouldn’t report on it because they should but they aren’t reporting on it for the victim it’s going to be nothing but a character attack or Dabo
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 7:08 PM
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Should’ve been kicked off the team, would be nice if the media also ran with other top schools players getting arrested for rape and other things. Not saying they shouldn’t report on it because they should but they aren’t reporting on it for the victim it’s going to be nothing but a character attack or Dabo
So you think our laws which carry specific penalties are inadequate? Is this inadequacy for everyone or just football players? Should being kicked off the team relieve them from civil damages? Seems a little unjust to me as most of us would not need to report this to our employer given it’s a traffic infraction and if they were not football players it would hardly be reported other than the initial story
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they were punished for this last year***
Oct 5, 2022, 5:52 PM
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Re: they were punished for this last year***
Oct 5, 2022, 8:14 PM
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They were disciplined by team standards last season. This is the judicial system working. Has nothing to do with Clemson University. CU has no say so in this outcome.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 6:26 PM
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As an attorney, I don't know why the lawsuit would be required. The liability coverage for both at fault vehicles would have to pay their limits, and the decedents underinsured coverage would step up to the plate for remaining coverages with possibility/likelihood of stacking further underinsured policies. I dont see why the coverages have not been exhausted in a case of this severity unless the insurance companies are playing the insurance game. Unless the plaintiffs are gaming on these guys being rich pros one day with a judgment following them around for attachment.
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Decedents??***
Oct 5, 2022, 6:30 PM
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All-TigerNet [5860]
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meant to say victim or plaintiff***
Oct 7, 2022, 11:02 PM
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sorry
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 8:53 PM
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As an attorney, I don't know why the lawsuit would be required. The liability coverage for both at fault vehicles would have to pay their limits, and the decedents underinsured coverage would step up to the plate for remaining coverages with possibility/likelihood of stacking further underinsured policies. I dont see why the coverages have not been exhausted in a case of this severity unless the insurance companies are playing the insurance game. Unless the plaintiffs are gaming on these guys being rich pros one day with a judgment following them around for attachment.
Both at fault vehicles? Did both vehicles strike her or her vehicle? If not how would the 2nd vehicle be at fault?
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Effing Dodge Chargers.
Oct 5, 2022, 6:50 PM
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They attract the absolute worst, most self-absorbed drivers in the history of mankind. They are punkmobiles and Dabo should ban any player or staff member from going within 100 feet of one. It's cheap speed that allows people who haven't earned their way to the skill level needed to drive that fast an idiot pass to do so.
That being said, I hate it for all parties involved, especially the postal worker victim.
As far as internal discipline goes, I don't know how far a coach can go in that regard. Davis was charged with a misdemeanor, not a felony, and as Dabo stated at the time Davis is going to have to own up to that poor decision for a long, long, long time, well after his time at Clemson. Now we know why.
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Blaming this on a Dodge Charger is about the dumbest thing
Oct 5, 2022, 7:52 PM
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I have ever heard!
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Dodge Chargers don't hit mail trucks, people do!***
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The people that buy cheap speed Dodge Chargers
Oct 5, 2022, 9:09 PM
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ARE those people that hit mail trucks. They haven't earned what that car produces in speed. If they had earned that speed, they'd have a legit car to do it in.
Now if you have a classic Dodge Charger - different story. That's been earned. You know your business. But the new hotness version? Nope.
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That makes a lot of senses, actually.***
Oct 5, 2022, 9:18 PM
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 7:54 PM
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Dabo will handle this, it’s not a big deal. Ridiculous that this is in the news now. Probably suggested to be brought up by Doreen because he is…..well I better stop there.
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Freshman [-74]
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He HAS already handled it. Nothing in the civil suit will change
Oct 5, 2022, 9:10 PM
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Fred's legal standing or his standing in the Program. It's literally over, all except deciding how much compensation the lady will justifiably get.
I think Grace is literally trolling for a story, when there walky isn't anything new there. We've known there was a pending civil suit and a monetary settlement.
That's it. Done. Over. Nothing else to see here. Really it's a non (new) story, but I'm sure Grace won't be the last media person to try and get their name in lights.
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Re: This doesn't sound good.
Oct 5, 2022, 7:58 PM
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She should keep to making sandwiches and leave Clemson football issues to Dabo. If she had a crappy day because of this she is a sad person. Some people.
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It's Stupid Twitter...Don't Act Like it's the end of the
Oct 5, 2022, 9:57 PM
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world.
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Grace Raynor has had over a year to discuss with Dabo
Oct 7, 2022, 11:31 AM
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Grace is wanting clicks & is attacking Dabo to get attention in my opinion. She’s been in many situations where she could have discussed what she sees as proper discipline with Dabo.
Dabo is a man of Character & he’s trying to raise and build into these young men but he still can only do so much when it comes to punishment(he’s not the courts). If he said discipline would be done internal, I totally believe Dabo handled it to the fullest while understanding Fred was being stupid as an 18 year old thinking he was a race car driver.
Like Dabo said he will never be rid of the fact that he hurt this lady & her family so bad. He will be paying for it every time he gets a paycheck & it will cramp his style for a long long time.
Still Gracie could have handled this in a more mature way unless she’s looking for it to benefit herself in my opinion.
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Rival Killer [2724]
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Dealt with and over from a football perspective.
Oct 7, 2022, 1:20 PM
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The civil case will last much longer.
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Freshman [-100]
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DONT RACE CARS EVER AGAIN. ITS FOOLISH!
Oct 8, 2022, 3:28 AM
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why would you ever race cars? even if you win, noone cares. its the car doing the work, the human does nothing. its POINTLESS
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