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Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:00 PM
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Wow! It’s so hard to believe how much College Football has changed. In defense of Dabo, this is not the same league he once dominated.
1) It really is all about how much money you can offer these players. And, to pour that money out you’ve got to have lots of money pouring in.
2) While you’re recruiting constantly you also have to wait to see who might be available in the transfer portal. Getting guys who are proven can instantly elevate a team.
3) It’s all about who is hot and who is not. It’s no longer about school pedigree or loyalty. It seems to be who soaring right now and what will they promise me.
Yes, I understand folks saying that Dabo is paid over 11 million to figure this stuff out. But, what if all the stuff is about doing things he doesn’t believe in as a coach.
I truly believe if Dabo didn’t have such a huge contract for years to come he would make a move. I’m not saying to another team in college, but to another league. Culture and relationships mean so much to him. You might not agree with some of his decisions, but you have to agree he has great conviction and character.
What makes things harder for Dabo now is his own past success. Everyone expects him to keep Clemson at the top and always be in the playoffs. But, the college rules have changed and it really does make things much harder to stay on top.
I will always be grateful to Dabo and his contributions to Clemson Football History. But, we need to understand that it’s taking him a little while to swallow all the new rule changes.
This offseason I believe will be the biggest crossroads of his legacy. Will he make major necessary changes or will he just keep being who he has always been. I love his story and he has given us so many memorable moments.
In your opinion, what do you feel he will decide to do this offseason?
I simply believe he will keep being exactly who he has always been. A winner and a great mentor to young men.
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:04 PM
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Depends on the outcome of the SC game. If Clemson beats SC or loses a close one, nothing to not much will change. If SC embarrasses CU, then odds are the heat gets turned up and forces Dabo's hand. It's a shame Tyler from Spartanburg can't call in anymore. Cause at the moment, this team needs someone to light a fire under them.
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:42 PM
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If the fans will Give Dabo $20 million dollars to buy players he will change his mode of operation. Clemson does not have the NIL money available to compete in the market place with Michigan, OSU, GA, Bama, TN, Penn and a few other schools. Neither does most schools in the Big10, SEC, ACC or B12 conferences. These conferences are struggling to stay afloat until the NCAA or another organization put rules into affect that sorta levels the playing field. It big business and the haves are going to out compete the have nots. It is our way of life. We can ##### and moan all we like but until more money is available we can not pay student athletes $1M to play football at Clemson. An 85 man roster quickly eats up 5-7 $M dollars. Just a fact of life.
On a side note a friend from Pitt told me this weekend the CB recruit who decommitted from Pitt to go to Michigan was being paid $275,000 dollars. Please note he is a 4 star recruit from HS. No one blames the kid. I would take the money and run also.
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Varsity [104]
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That is a canard.
Nov 21, 2024, 11:18 PM
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Clemson is #17 in NIL per both ON3 and 24/7 Sports.
It's not that we don't have it, it's how it's used.
It did t help us keep 2 OL guys that transferred out. We could really have used them for depth this season.
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Game Day Hero [4185]
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Re: That is a canard.
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Nov 22, 2024, 1:08 AM
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So,we’re 17 in NIL and you expect that to translate to…?
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Varsity [104]
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Using it up front to get better recruits and transfers.
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Nov 22, 2024, 6:33 AM
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You know, like most other teams do?
Using it to keep guys here isn't working.
We lost 14 transfers after the Gator Bowl.
That included Mukuba, who starts at Texas, Beaux Collins, who starts at Notre Dame, and two OL that we could really use for depth right now.
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Re: Using it up front to get better recruits and transfers.
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Nov 22, 2024, 11:53 AM
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Muckaba left because He was losing playing time because of His performance! And probably Homesick.
But the players behind him moved in front of him!
This entire board did nothing but complain about Beux Collings the entire time He was here! He could not crack the 3 deep of this current rotation.
And I don’t even Know who the 2 OL’s were so your theory does not Hold Water!
“ no the defenses case does not hold water”
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Varsity [104]
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That's bogus.
Nov 23, 2024, 8:17 AM
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We lose 14 experienced guys to the portal with zero experienced replace evrs and it doesn't have a negative effect? That's ludicrous.
The two OL we lost to the TP were
Zechariah Owens and Mitchell Mayes.
It's easy to keep up. The internets are a thing. ON3 and 24/7 Sports track that stuff.
https://www.on3.com/college/clemson-tigers/transfer-portal/wire/football/2024/
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Standout [248]
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Re: Using it up front to get better recruits and transfers.
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:02 PM
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We lost 11 (not counting Zanders since he had medically retired and hadn't been on the team in 2 years). That's the lowest among all P4 schools except for Nebraska with 10 and Oklahoma St also with 11.
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Re: Using it up front to get better recruits and transfers.
Nov 23, 2024, 8:02 AM
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You’re gaslighting according to the Chicken Littles. Sharing facts instead of ranting your opinions and calling them facts. How dare you?!
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Re: That is a canard.
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Nov 22, 2024, 3:50 AM
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This is a fact you keep trotting that out but by itself it doesn’t mean a whole lot. So we are 17th, what exactly does that mean, should we expect to be the 17th team in talent?
There could be a $100k difference between 17th and 1st or there could be a $30m difference. I can guarantee to you $30m will put us way behind and unable to compete in this landscape.
Without any context or details it’s merely an estimate of where we fall.
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Varsity [104]
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It means that when anyone claims that we don't have the money,
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Nov 22, 2024, 6:36 AM
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It's 🐂💩.
We have more than enough to attract better takelent.
There are 131 FBS teams that can use NIL up front. We are the only one that doesn't.
Making excuses doesn't change that.
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And we are currently ranked 17th in the playoff ranking.
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:13 AM
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If amount of NIL money spent is the determining factor for teams’ success, are we not sitting exactly where we should be?
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Re: And we are currently ranked 17th in the playoff ranking.
Nov 22, 2024, 9:23 AM
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It's not the sole determining factor. It's using your resources effectively. Clemson came into the NIL/Portal world with a recruiting advantage. There was a winning culture, pedigree, and recruiting footprint Dabo created, and was rewarded handsomely for.
When the rules changed, instead of incorporating NIL/Portal as tools to continue the success, Dabo put his head in the sand. Everyone on here wants to act like Clemson is so cash-strapped it cannot compete, but that is just factually untrue. I don't think any reasonable fan wanting us to use NIL/portal simply want Dabo to get into bidding wars and create a team of mercenaries. Instead, use the strength of your program and culture in conjunction with those tools. I seriously doubt there aren't recruits/players out there who would fit in the culture AND want to be paid. Other teams have figured it out, why not us?
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National Champion [7522]
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depends on how much keeping players via NIL is weighted for overall success
Nov 22, 2024, 9:32 AM
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we aren't using it to bring anyone in, so seems that we are sitting behind the 8-ball to start. We're just using it to keep the "good" players once they get here.
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Re: It means that when anyone claims that we don't have the money,
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Nov 26, 2024, 7:12 PM
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Clemson dont need NIL to build teams. 60 years as Tiger fan never bought players shouldnt start now. I am glad Clemson and military schools only ones not using transfer portal
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Varsity [104]
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It means that we are $$ ahead of 114 other teams,
Nov 23, 2024, 8:19 AM
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Many of which use NIL and the TP effectively.
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Re: That is a canard.
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Nov 22, 2024, 10:00 AM
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Well 17 in Nil is about where a Clemson stands in the polls which by your assessment means Clemson led by Dabo will either finish where they should or above where the Nil is.
Hmm maybe Dabo does still know how to coach.
Yall spoiled rotten Madden coaches drive me crazy!
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Re: That is a canard.
Nov 22, 2024, 10:56 PM
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We do not pay it up front. We show players how they can earn money. Sorry , but tbe world isn't doing it that way. Simply put, I want my Tigers to win! Period that's it. Personally I don't care how. Don't break tbe rules just FREAKING USE THEM!!!!
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Athletic Dir [1107]
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
Nov 22, 2024, 12:00 PM
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If Clemson doesn’t have the money to compete with anyone, why pay Dabo 11 million and lots more to assistant coaches? What’s the point?
This whole thing is about Dabo and his dadgum stubborn mind. He was a walk-on and he probably gets downright offended at the idea of handouts and favoritism.
The current game is no place for a man like Dabo. He needs to change or go before the roster is depleted.
And I really like him. Also I think he is right. But the times are what they are.
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
Nov 22, 2024, 7:51 AM
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Maybe dabo should restructure his contract and coaches to help afford players….i thought they cared. But seriously if dabo had a dollar to spend he would save it or hope 50 cents would work. Basically Dabo is that cheap grandparent.
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 22, 2024, 10:07 AM
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Wow are you 6 or 7?
Perhaps you should actually see what Dabo did to build the program!
Also the amount of money Dabo has brought into Clemson, the university and the city is astounding.
Clemson owes Dado more than they could ever hope to pay !
Also cheap Grandparent?
You sound like a spooned teenager who has never had to work for a thing but had everything handed to him!
Once your parents get you to 18 and out of school they don’t owe you anything! Your Grandparents owe you nothing!
If you are Blessed with good parents and Grandparents then be thankful and shut your trap and get off your lazy rear and help take care of them!
You really really don’t know Clemson history or Dabo’s history at Clemson at all.
One last thing you ingrate, this season is not over and at least for now every single goal for the year is still in front of the team!
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 21, 2024, 11:28 PM
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Dabo wouldn't move to another league. He's not an NFL coach because of the character he has. You babysit in the NFL. Dabo ain't about to do that.
I disagree with the other comment on giving Dabo 20 mil. I don't see Dabo paying a kid to come play out of high school. As you stated, it's not in his DNA. Now, he certainly doesn't mind paying kids and making it easy for them to get nil to stay... he'll do what he's said, continue to try and get the kids to love Clemson and trust there's enough cades to build a team.
All while in the background, work on changing the system. It will change. No school has enough money to keep out bidding team after team. Most coaches know this and will ride it out until you make kids employees (essentially).
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 22, 2024, 1:04 AM
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Well said. Couldn’t agree more
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 22, 2024, 1:30 AM
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Just shut up! There is nothing wrong with Dabo and the game has not left him..
Good Lord they are 8-2… just shut up! Or leave !
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:48 AM
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Dabo needs to adopt or move on…it’s that simple!
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Not a bad post at all!
First, I entirely agree with you. I've followed football a lot less closely this year. The amateurism is what made college football fun for me. The idea that these players are students of my school and we share an alma mater, as well as the passion that comes from playing for/rooting for a place we all called home. Now, college players are just mercenaries for hire, with 0 loyalty to a particular school. It's just about money and immediate results. That makes it less interesting to me, and I do truly believe it's something Dabo doesn't believe in.
That said, that's what college football is now. There's no unwinding this. It is what it is. The House settlement will not impact that at all. All we can do is make the best of a bad situation.
And so we're at a cross-roads with two options depending on what we want:
1. We want to take the moral high ground and be good, not great. Personally, I don't think it's a college coach's job to be a "mentor to young men." They are adults, and that was their parents' job. They're not middle schoolers who need a father figure. But if we want to go that route, there is 0 reason to pay a coaching staff ~$15-20 million a year. We don't need to pay $11 million a year to mentor young men and be an average football team. You can hire an okay coach and chaplains and guidance counselors for a small percentage of that. In that scenario, Dabo needs to take a pay cut commensurate with his performance, or we should find someone who will.
2. We want to continue to win at a high level in the NIL era. If that's our choice, then we must adapt to the times and take advantage of these new situations. We have to promise money to aspiring recruits, and we have to take advantage of the portal. If the players are going to be employees of the school, then we have to treat them as employees and they have to perform or we'll find someone who does. I would rather keep Dabo, but he needs to be forced to adapt to the new world. If Dabo doesn't believe in it, he needs to go.
As it is, Clemson's approach makes 0 sense. Dabo wants to continue to be paid as a top 3 college coach. Meanwhile, he wants to maintain his principles that will not allow us to be a contender. You can't have it both ways. And you can say "we need to understand it's taking time for Dabo to change," but that doesn't fly. Every other coach in America has adapted. He hasn't. We have underperformed since 2020. In that time, Dabo has made nearly $50 million. We can't afford to wait on him to slowly change his mindset. We could build new buildings, hire ~100 new professors, and all sorts of other things for the amount of money Dabo is costing us.
I am grateful for what he did as well. In the last era of college football being COLLEGE football, he made Clemson a household name. And I do think he overall did a good job with producing men with less scandals than other peer schools. But I personally don't believe you can go on spending outrageous amounts of money for past accomplishments. I hope he actually changes his philosophy this offseason. But I don't think he will. He's surrounded himself with yes men and has thus far refused to adapt or admit anything is wrong.
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:24 AM
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When you make millions for coaching a college football team, judging comes with the territory. The fact is the landscape has changed to one where cash is king. The money being offered to elite players is so much that recruits will overlook a great culture to sign for the cash. Our coach has opted out which has impacted the level of talent on our roster. The truth is you can still have a great culture and graduate players while adapting to the current landscape. Our current roster can no longer compete with elite teams, and it is not getting better based on the 25 & 26 recruits. The decision is simple. Either accept being just another ACC team or incorporate upfront NIL into our recruiting (HS and/or Portal). I think the saying is adapt or die...
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
Nov 22, 2024, 11:59 AM
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You get paid for what you did !
Dabo started out as the lowest paid coach in the ACC and He did share his money to bring in assistant coaches!
He delivered and was rewarded for what He delivered!
He has one year in over a decade that Clemson has not one at least 10 Games and this season is far from over with 8 wins already.
You act like Dabo never has never does or never will win a game. I think you are either ignorant or stupid or just a troll!!
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
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Nov 22, 2024, 9:57 AM
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Results still matter. We will either get them or we won’t. If we don’t, some things will change. If we still don’t, bigger moves will be made.
Sit back and enjoy the ride…
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
Nov 22, 2024, 6:10 PM
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Those bigger moves should have already been made. I don't want to wait until we have slid into irrelevancy and mediocrity. We are already half way there. Dabo must right the ship now. The warning bell has been rung. Iceberg ahead.
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
Nov 23, 2024, 7:44 AM
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Part of the challenge is that Dabo still believes in "his" way. In our last 5 "supposed" down years, he is still 48-14, averaging nearly 10 wins per season. This is not exactly the equivalent of "rock bottom." However, the "elite" status has taken a hit and we are falling further behind the other established elites of this generation.
Dabo is always a late adopter but he is a fierce competitor. I'm disappointed in some of the decisions made and paths taken, but I hold out hope he will eventually get on board, in a style and manner, that keeps us relevant and competitive among the best.
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The game is changing. It is in transition.
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Coaches who are "long term successful" adapt.
We normally think of changes as new offensive or defensive schemes. But, other changes have been money driven. Phil Knight and Oregon were the ones who started the "facilities revolution." Kids were blown away by the Oregon facilities. Soon other schools adapted and kept up. (Some even have a slide in their facilities.) It became a race to who could have the best facilities, wieght room meeting room, food services, etc.
Clemson has done a great job with that.
Now, we are going through the last stages of the transition from students-athletes to employee-athletes.
Some coaches, notably Tony Bennett, have decided they don't want to adapt. I suspect you'll see others. I don't blame them. If I were Dabo, I'm not sure I would want to adapt.
I suspect in the next couple of years we will see how quickly the transition goes and what it looks like on the other end and then you will see coaches deciding if retirement is the better road to take or if staying with the new normal is the better road.
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Re: The game is changing. It is in transition.
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Nov 23, 2024, 8:06 AM
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I always appreciate your voice of reason.
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Game Changer [1992]
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So all the top schools plus Duke, Ga Tech can change with the
Nov 22, 2024, 10:22 PM
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Times but don’t blame Dabo for not?
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
Nov 23, 2024, 7:46 AM
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I just want Dabo to retire. That is all.
He hates this era of college football, probably a lot more than most of us do.
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Re: Before You Judge Dabo consider this
Nov 26, 2024, 7:07 PM
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Dabo is doing great. Screw the NIL bs
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