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Top TigerNet [30135]
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And there we go. I knew it was coming
Dec 7, 2019, 10:14 AM
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Kirk suggests that Georgia could still get in with a close loss.
Pathetic
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Orange Immortal [65678]
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Again, it's a farce, that anyone or any group can actually
Dec 7, 2019, 10:18 AM
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determine which teams are "the best" (Herbie's argument is that Georgia is one of the 4 best and even with a close loss should be in). THAT is THE problem with the current playoff.
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Smiling Tiger
Dec 7, 2019, 11:55 AM
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Smiling Tiger® You must establish some criteria for getting in. If the "eye test" is all you go by then anyone who wins more than they lose who had a stronger perceived strength of schedule - always wins out!
The SEC would get 3 teams in the argument every year and the rest of the conferences would fight for the other spot. Heck, then the Herbstreits of the world would still argue Auburn deserves to be in as well or Florida or whoever the 4th best SEC team is. Because of the "gauntlet" they face and still come out with a winning record.
Well, Herbstreit would only do that in years where Ohio State has no shot.
Most deserving?
Or best eye test?
Eye Test criteria must be spelled out and explained for all to see if that's the case.
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Orange Immortal [65678]
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Maybe you misunterstood me.
Dec 7, 2019, 1:26 PM
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I oppose all subjective methods of determining who gets in and who doesn't. The criteria should be: Conference champions automatically in; don't win your conference, you have been eliminated. My point is, it should be determined entirely on the field, and rankings and every other subjective criteria should be totally banished. We have to decide whether we want actual games to mean something where winning/losing is the ultimate, unquestionable verdict, or whether we want to continue a beauty contest in which the "winners" are largely determined by judges (CFP Committee). My contention is that judges get it wrong, over and over, on an extrodinarily consistent basis (that much is an indisputibale fact). I understand that under the current setup with 5 major conferences, a legitimate 8-team minimum playoff is problematic, but we need to admit that it is terminally and fundamentally flawed, quit pretending everything is okay, and start moving in the right direction of a legitimate playoff. I know it won't be easy and there are serious hurdles and objections, but it absolutely can, and I feel must be done.
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Oculus Spirit [39224]
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So we can have five teams that don't deserve to be there
Dec 7, 2019, 1:34 PM
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and the days of having to be elite to win a national championship can end.
The committee has gotten it right every year except maybe one (don't think Alabama deserved to be in, even if they ended up winning it, in '17).
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Orange Immortal [65678]
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You have absolutely no idea if they got it right.
Dec 7, 2019, 1:51 PM
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You have an opinion - that's it. That's all they have. The facts actually indicate they probably got it wrong. Here's what we do know (facts): Last season, the CFP had Alabama ranked ahead of Clemson in their final ranking. That was wrong, as Clemson went on to pound Alabama. In the 2017 final rankings, they had Clemson 1st and Alabama 4th; that was wrong. If they are wrong about who is 1st and who is 2nd, 3rd and 4th, they could very, very easily be wrong about who is 4th and 5th. In fact, it stands to reason that they probably are wrong. They are wrong time and time agian when it comes to predicting who is better than who by means of a ranking.
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They played 1 less game and had more time to heal & prepare
Dec 7, 2019, 1:54 PM
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No way they should have been in.
Them winning it all only “validated” the “remarkable foresight & incredible wisdom” of the committee.
I agree with Smiling - the subjectivity of it all has gotten completely out of control.
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Orange Immortal [65678]
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Right. The original idea of the CFP was to get away from
Dec 7, 2019, 1:58 PM
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subjectivity/eye test and have objective criteria. Yet here we are, moving away from those criteria and talking about eye test, resume and SOS, all of which are almost totally subjective.
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Clemson Conqueror [11405]
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SmilingT, to expound further on your argument against subjectivity...
Dec 7, 2019, 1:40 PM
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As long as it is a four team playoff, the primary criteria should be conference champion. Just let the committee decide which one gets left out. This eliminates most of the subjectivity!
For those who say,"Oh no...we could have a three or four loss conference champion getting in!", that team would be bypassed by the other four anyway! But just in case of the possibility of two multiple loss conference champs, I would make the following exception:
A non conference champ could only make the playoff, IF they have less losses than the conference champ they would replace.
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Orange Immortal [65678]
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Not perfect maybe, but that would be a huge improvement.
Dec 7, 2019, 1:54 PM
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There are only two reasons I can think of that are preventing doing it the right way: Simple resistance to radical change, and those who have a vested interest in the current system.
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Re: Again, it's a farce, that anyone or any group can actually
Dec 7, 2019, 2:22 PM
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The only problem with the system I see is that winning your conference outright should be a requirement to qualify for the playoff.
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Re: And there we go. I knew it was coming
Dec 7, 2019, 10:19 AM
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I want Georgia to get in. They suck.
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Re: And there we go. I knew it was coming
Dec 7, 2019, 10:22 AM
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Not an ice cubes chance hail. No two loss team will make it. Ever. I guess by his standard, Oregon is still in it too?
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Re: And there we go. I knew it was coming
Dec 7, 2019, 10:24 AM
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Herbstreit has always seemed to be a Georgia homer. Not sure I understand that since he went to OSU.
Maybe his wife went to Ga. He wanted them in bad last year.
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Paw Warrior [4668]
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Re: And there we go. I knew it was coming
Dec 7, 2019, 10:27 AM
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His wife went to OHio State (She was a Cheerleader).
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Ultimate Tiger [33000]
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pigs In cheerleader uniform?
Dec 7, 2019, 12:09 PM
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or it didn’t happen...
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Re: And there we go. I knew it was coming
Dec 7, 2019, 10:27 AM
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He keeps lobbying for UGA to get in with 2 losses, so why didn't he send his twins to Georgia if they are sp great. I like him, but I am getting tired of his UGA bs.
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Top TigerNet [30135]
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yeah. I thought it was completely ridiculous last year
Dec 7, 2019, 10:29 AM
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When he wanted to move Geórgia up to 3 after losing. Can’t believe he’s doing it again
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Oculus Spirit [42282]
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Yeah that was bad. Two losses, one of them to South Carolina at Home
Dec 7, 2019, 10:27 AM
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And no Conference Championship either. That was dumb.
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Team Captain [453]
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It was absurd to suggest that last year
Dec 7, 2019, 10:58 AM
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And all based on the premise that last years bama team was the best team in the history of college football which was a farce, but I think there’s a legit argument this year because after LSU, OSU, and Clemson, I’m not sure there’s any difference between teams 4-8. I think UGA is better than OK or Baylor. After last night, I’d likely make an argument that Oregon could be the 4th best team.
His point is that if you’re going 4 best teams, UGA could still be #4 even with a loss and I can see that this year just because outside of 1-3 there’s not much difference from 4-8.
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Re: And there we go. I knew it was coming
Dec 7, 2019, 11:00 AM
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Herbie loves him some UGA, it's a bit odd. Sorry, but that SC loss is DISQUALIFYING
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Re: And Pollock this morning said
Dec 7, 2019, 11:28 AM
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if Ga were so good then they shouldnt have lost to the coots
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Re: And Pollock this morning said
Dec 7, 2019, 11:43 AM
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And just as We thought , Long segment on Bama and Tua that are finished and not playing today
Than the segment on Clemson who is playing today , they cant hide
Corso was cute saying Virginia could sneak up on us and the 28 point spread like that
has any bearing on the game
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Agree maybe if their 2nd loss would have been to UF or
Dec 7, 2019, 11:59 AM
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Auburn, but when it’s to a 4-8 team, no way.
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National Champion [8071]
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Re: Agree maybe if their 2nd loss would have been to UF or
Dec 7, 2019, 12:05 PM
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Auburn, but when it’s to a 4-8 team, no way.
Agreed. The year Clemson got the #1 seed after losing to Syracuse everyone else lost too! So, you hit the reset button and go - who are the best of the 1 loss teams.
Georgia having lost to a 4-8 team "at home nevertheless" is a different thing because other teams 1 loss was to much better teams! If there were 3 more spots available then yeah, they get in. Georgia is one of the best teams in the country. But, just like back in the day, you couldn't afford any mis-steps. This year b/c you have 3 teams with perfect records - and a bunch of 1 loss teams like them with much "better losses" they lose out. Had it been Auburn or Florida as you said - no question - they get in. If Baylor were to beat Oklahoma - they should be in. They would have only lost to a top 10 program that was top 4 majority of the season.
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CU Medallion [18166]
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what a moron no way a two loss non conference champ
Dec 7, 2019, 12:24 PM
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gets in over a one loss big 12 champ.
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Top TigerNet [31975]
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He's been nut riding UGA the last two yrs trying to get them in the playoffs
Dec 7, 2019, 1:43 PM
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Maybe he should've sent his twin boys there instead of Clemson..
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It won't be close. *
Dec 7, 2019, 2:00 PM
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