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Tiger Titan [48737]
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Federal judge orders immediate release of Tufts student
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May 9, 2025, 3:05 PM
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You know, the one who was snatched off the street by masked men in plain clothing and taken to a detention center over 1,000 miles away and held for 6 weeks without due process because she co-authored a ####### editorial in a school newspaper the Trump idiots didn't like?
Yeah, that one.
If you're not supportive of this ruling, you have completely abandoned what America is supposed to stand for.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/09/us/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-bail-release
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Re: Federal judge orders immediate release of Tufts student
May 9, 2025, 3:06 PM
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I don't know enough about her beliefs.
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Doesn't matter. There was no cause to do this to her.
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May 9, 2025, 3:08 PM
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We can't lock people up because we need to know more about their beliefs.
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Re: Doesn't matter. There was no cause to do this to her.
May 9, 2025, 3:10 PM
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If I knew her beliefs it would make a difference for me. Maybe not for you, but for me it would.
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So you'd be okay with this treatment of her if you didn't like her beliefs?***
May 9, 2025, 3:11 PM
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And I'll add, from the article I posted
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May 9, 2025, 3:13 PM
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Öztürk, who has not been charged with any crime was accused by the Trump administration of participating in activities in support of Hamas. Neither the administration or attorneys for the Department of Justice presented any evidence of her alleged activities in court.
It's indefensible.
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Re: And I'll add, from the article I posted
May 9, 2025, 3:20 PM
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Like I said, in the surface it sounds like she is fine. Like I also stated, I would like to know her beliefs.
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Re: And I'll add, from the article I posted
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May 9, 2025, 3:24 PM
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That is irrelevant.
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Re: And I'll add, from the article I posted
May 9, 2025, 3:31 PM
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Yeah, I get that concept, but it's not irrelevant to what I am thinking.
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Ok O'Brien***
May 9, 2025, 4:12 PM
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Re: Ok O'Brien***
May 9, 2025, 4:53 PM
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That comment is meaningless. Do you have anything significant to add? You're not very intelligent. Throw yourself out there more and give it a chance. You seem insecure.
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Re: Ok O'Brien***
May 10, 2025, 12:27 AM
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Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty, and then we shall fill you with ourselves. O'Brien describes the goal of the Thought Police in converting thought-criminals.
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Re: And I'll add, from the article I posted
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This is what you and some others don’t seem to understand. Whatever her beliefs, no matter if you disagree, or even I disagree its completely legal for her to have them.
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Re: And I'll add, from the article I posted
May 9, 2025, 6:31 PM
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That's what you don't get. Everyone knows that.
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Re: And I'll add, from the article I posted
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May 9, 2025, 7:11 PM
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Then ur talking out of both sides of your mouth.
If you are for free speech you can’t be for gov detaining and deporting for free speech.
If you’re for detains/ deporting for free speech then you ARE NOT for free speech
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Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:18 PM
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Again, she was not charged with any crime and they presented no evidence why she should be held.
All she did was write her opinion.
But if you want people executed for their opinions, buddy, we ain't in this fight together.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:21 PM
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Yeah I would be more than happy for her take a bullet to her skull if she supports Hamas. That's said, I don't know what she believes and what the facts are. On the surface there is no legal reason to bother her. I just want more details.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
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May 9, 2025, 3:37 PM
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Maybe you should be locked up for what you just wrote.
If she is actually doing something, like funneling money to Hamas, that's a different story.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:40 PM
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If we're a citizen in Palestine I would be dead . Definitely. Not supporting Hamas is a death sentence.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:46 PM
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I'm not sure what that has to do with locking up someone in the US for what they said or wrote.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:48 PM
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Being processed to be deported and and not being a US citizen? Is that what you meant?
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:52 PM
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Is that all that is happening here? Is it just that simple. If a judge has ordered her release, then I don't think it is.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:54 PM
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I don't know. That's why I am wondering.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:24 PM
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I am sure.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:27 PM
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Just as I’m sure there are leftists wanting people dead because of the side of the aisle a particular person is on. This game is sickening. (Not you, I’m just speaking in general)
Politics is taken us off a cliff and it’s getting worse for whatever reason. I blame social media personally.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
May 9, 2025, 3:32 PM
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I see angles in both sides. I lean left, but I see both sides. MAGA I don't relate to though.
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Re: Then you may belong more with the Trumpers than you know.
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May 9, 2025, 3:33 PM
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Same Carl. We’ve often seen many issues through the same lens over the years.
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Re: Here. Highlight the lines in her editorial...
May 9, 2025, 3:23 PM
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Barely reading that I hope she is booted from this country.
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Srsly? I didnt read anything about Hamas.
May 9, 2025, 3:45 PM
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Plenty of free Palestine, but nothing that was not run-of-the-mill student protest goop?
What checked the get out of the country box for you?
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Re: Srsly? I didnt read anything about Hamas.
May 9, 2025, 5:00 PM
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Calling it genocide is enough for me, but there are few issues there.
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Re: Just so I'm sure I understand
May 9, 2025, 4:58 PM
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No. Not all. It's going over your head. She deserves her legal rights. That's the system we live in.
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Sorry it "wnet over my head"
May 9, 2025, 5:02 PM
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But when you reply to a thread about someone's rights being violated and respond with "I don't know enough about her beliefs," I suppose I misread your intention there.
And it seemed like you doubled down on that a few times. But again, I may have misread and extrapolated from your statement that you'd be fine with her death if she "supported" hamas (in a conversation ENTIRELY about her beliefs).
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Re: Sorry it "wnet over my head"
May 9, 2025, 5:06 PM
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Okay, I will dumb it down for you. Yes, she deserves her rights. On the surface, I am glad she is being booted due to my personal beliefs. She seems bad for society. As far as death for anyone that supports Hamas, I am all for it. I have no sympathy for them. . I feel the same way about Neo Nazis as well though. I feel the same way as Al Qaeda etc.
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Geez, stop with the condescension
May 9, 2025, 5:10 PM
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Thanks for "dumbing it down for me", so my little old brain doesn't get sore.
I disagree with you on much of your views on "beliefs" and their worthiness for their holders to be killed, and moreover on needing to know someone's beliefs before i know how to feel about their rights not being recognized.
And that's fine, I ain't insulting you for disagreeing.
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Re: Geez, stop with the condescension
May 9, 2025, 5:16 PM
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Fair enough. I am just completely non sympathetic to people with certain beliefs. Libs nowadays are almost sympathetic to Hamas supporters. It reminds me of how MAGA supporters supported or minimized those dudes in Charlottesville. I have no wiggle room.
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You are clearly conflating distinct and separate sets of beliefs.
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1. Support for Hamas
2. Decrying the atrocities that Israel is inflicting upon Palestinian civilians
These two things are NOT the same. In the article Cata linked, there isn't a single mention of Hamas. It's easy and convenient to simply lump the large number of people who believe Israel is committing genocide (they are) in with a relatively small number of people who actually support Hamas, a terrorist organization. Stop doing this, because you're smarter than that.
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And further criticism of Israel is not necessarily antisemitism***
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Re: And further criticism of Israel is not necessarily antisemitism***
May 9, 2025, 5:28 PM
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Sometimes. Quite often it is. It's also quite often supporting something terrible as well I Hamas, intentionally, or not intentionally. It's like the nutty Gays for Palestine people.
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Re: You are clearly conflating distinct and separate sets of beliefs.
May 9, 2025, 5:23 PM
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Yeah, I get where you are coming from, but I think they do mesh. Has she said anything about the tragedy of the attack on Israel? Secondly, there is no genocide. Finally, has she condemned Hamas? I have my doubts about her. It's fair. You are anti Israel, so she seems normal to you. Kind of like how MAGA makes excuses for Charlottesville. Kind of like Trump saying he hasn't heard of David Duke. I have no wiggle room. Does she write about opposing Hamas or the terrorist attack on Israel? I would like to know.
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See, this is what I'm talking about.
May 9, 2025, 5:29 PM
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"You are anti-Israel, so she seems normal to you."
No, I'm not. But I'll certainly call a spade a spade when I see it, and I'm in agreement with essentially the entire planet not named "Israel" or "America".
And it doesn't matter if she explicitly condemns Hamas, or their attack on Israel, or does neither. That's not how free speech works in this country.
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Re: See, this is what I'm talking about.
May 9, 2025, 5:34 PM
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I support free speech and I support her being booted if she is a POS who supports Hamas. She isn't a citizen. I don't respect her if she is quiet about Hamas. I don't respect her if she was quiet about the attack on Israel. I have no sympathy for her. That's where we go in a complete circle. I would like to know more about her. Like I said in a different post, it's like Trump saying he never heard of David Duke or or supporting the dudes in Cville. I want to know more. There is no wiggle room for me.
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So every one of the millions of non-citizens who are legally in the
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May 9, 2025, 5:38 PM
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US need to explicitly condemn Hamas, or they should be deported? That seems to be what you're saying.
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Re: So every one of the millions of non-citizens who are legally in the
May 9, 2025, 5:40 PM
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Not everyone. In her role...yeah I am interested. You don't seem to understand what nuance means.
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Would you ask the same of pro-Israel supporters?
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Should they be forced to condemn the bad actions by Israel to be allowed to stay in our country?
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Re: Would you ask the same of pro-Israel supporters?
May 9, 2025, 6:00 PM
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I see Israel the same as we were when we fought the Nazis. So, your answer is no. She is similar to a Nazi sympathizer who also happens to be a non citizen.
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How?
May 10, 2025, 11:19 AM
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Her editorial didn't mention Hamas, and this isn't anything like what happened in the Holocaust.
She called for the end of killing innocent people, and it doesn't matter how you package it, innocent people have been killed.
Your argument simply boils down to, "She doesn't support my views thus I want her life ruined."
You can't explain it any other way.
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Then you don't support free speech
May 10, 2025, 12:11 AM
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You are fine with her being punished by our government for her speech...
...and possibly killed for it. Your words.
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Re: Then you don't support free speech
May 10, 2025, 2:27 AM
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Give it up. He’s brainless when it comes to Israel.
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Re: Then you don't support free speech
May 10, 2025, 6:22 AM
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I kniw.mire about the issue than you do. You're an idiot.
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Re: Then you don't support free speech
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I understand that you think you do. I see a biased child blind to some of the most heinous crimes against humanity since Rwanda and Yugoslavia. There’s a reason EVERY single human rights advocate is on the opposite side of this issue from you.
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Re: Then you don't support free speech
May 10, 2025, 10:13 AM
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It's war. I couldn't care less what some groups think on the issue. It's not even similar to what happened in Rawanda. To even bring Rawanda up makes you come across as a fool.
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Re: Then you don't support free speech
May 10, 2025, 10:24 AM
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And there is the angry uneducated child.
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Re: Then you don't support free speech
May 10, 2025, 11:21 AM
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Definitely more educated than you are apparently. You brought up Rawanda. What a dunce.
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Why are you so level headed on other issues
May 10, 2025, 10:56 AM
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But then this one turns you into a rage monkey and has you behaving like the Trumpers on this board?
You argue constantly against the abuses of power and human rights committed by Trump, yet on this topic you're basically like, "#### her, lock her away, maybe kill her."
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Re: Why are you so level headed on other issues
May 10, 2025, 11:24 AM
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I said I would like to know more about her beliefs. If she is an anti Israel Hamas supporter or sympathizer, like many protestors are, and is not a citizen I would be all for her being booted. I don't support neo-nazis, radical Muslims, white supremacists, etc etc.
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Then by making exceptions...
May 10, 2025, 12:15 PM
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To opposing this administration's abuse of power, you've become one of them and invalidated any arguments you make against this admin violating human rights. That's what Trumpkins do. They think exceptions in the law should be made against people they hate.
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Re: Then by making exceptions...
May 10, 2025, 12:22 PM
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I have no problem with certain people that aren't citizens being booted. If there were neo-nazi students here from Germany I would be all good with them being booted as well. They aren't citizens and they just guests. They would be unwelcomed guests in my eyes.
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May 10, 2025, 3:47 PM
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Your attitude fits perfectly with the collaborationists in Nazi Germany. Hitler and company portrayed the Jews as enemies and communist spies. No German thought they all fit into that category, but just enough people thought it was fitting to punish the whole group because of a few potential threats. Dehumanization and endorsement of collective punishment and other crimes against humanity. I hate to see it show up in children like you. You could use a good punch to the face to put things in perspective.
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How exactly does she seem bad for society?
May 10, 2025, 12:08 AM
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Because you have different opinions than her?
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Re: How exactly does she seem bad for society?
May 10, 2025, 6:25 AM
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Is that a real questíon? Was the rhetorical? Why were the people that matched in Charlottesville bad for society? They only have a different opinion. Your brain is warped.
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Why can't you answer the question?
May 10, 2025, 10:54 AM
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Explain to me what you know about her that makes her bad for society.
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Re: Federal judge orders immediate release of Tufts student
May 9, 2025, 3:08 PM
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She didn't 'toe the line'?
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Re: Federal judge orders immediate release of Tufts student
May 9, 2025, 5:39 PM
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She is a supporter of a terrorist organization. Deport her.
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Show me.***
May 10, 2025, 10:57 AM
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Re: Federal judge orders immediate release of Tufts student
May 10, 2025, 9:09 AM
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Released on bail. Will she still be here when her future court date comes up or will charges be dropped?
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Re: Federal judge orders immediate release of Tufts student
May 10, 2025, 10:09 AM
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There are no charges. There were never any charges. Little Marco didn’t like an editorial she co-signed, so he had her disappeared. The usual thing that happens when corksuckers aren’t in charge when a visa is revoked: the person is notified and given a deadline to depart. In her case, they used the Gestapo to engender fear in people who might want to criticize Israel or Shitzenpants.
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Re: Federal judge orders immediate release of Tufts student
May 10, 2025, 10:23 AM
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It’s mainly BETAR that is keeping score and a target list for anybody, citizen, resident, or visitor, who is critical of Israel. They are an extremist group as far as ADL and any reasonable people are concerned. Violence has been limited to attacks on protesters so far, but everything I hear about them is pretty bad. Same logic as the deplorable who said someone should take a bullet to the head for believing different than him: when it comes to Israel, any crime in support is justified.
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Tiger Titan [48737]
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Re: Tell us what she's charged with.***
May 10, 2025, 3:49 PM
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BETAR is coming for all honest people eventually. As long as they get away with the neo-fascist stuff.
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Re: Federal judge orders immediate release of Tufts student
May 11, 2025, 2:15 PM
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I could support the majority of Tuft students being apprehended for excessive support of communism.
LOL
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Tiger Titan [48737]
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LOL you are the biggest piece of human trash on this board.
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May 11, 2025, 2:42 PM
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LOL
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