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fleacircustrainer® · 2025-10-08T16:55:19.739Z

Who has improved after their freshman season for Clemson in recent memory? We have been teased with great freshman and even some sophomore seasons of players who get their chance. Does it not seem that most of our players regress? Which players come back and up their draft stock? Clemson and a Dabo fan, but who has improved after being coached by the staff for a couple seasons? Trotter? Barnes? Woods? Alexander? Parker? Woodaz?

Tharealdonjuan said:

let's throw DW4 and ETN in there.

And Jordan Leggett.

And Nate Wiggins.

Ben Boulware.

The list goes on. This is a dumb exercise. Just because ya'll can't think of anything off the top of your head doesn't mean players aren't getting developed.

This is just another dumb narrative from butthurt fans with internet access.

I think our record of putting people in the NFL speaks for itself. Nary a single one of those kids (nor any others from other teams for that matter) were NFL ready coming out of HS.

None of the aforementioned players were developed by the current coaching staff. All of the coaches responsible for developing those players have moved on from Clemson. Clemson's coaching staff is heavy laden with inexperienced position coaches who aren't the primary coach but are directly responsible for developing players who will take on starting roles in following seasons.

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Ok, seems like moving goalposts. I mean, Dabo catches all of the

Oct 8, 2025, 2:47 PM

flak for our recent start, but we aren't going to give him the credit for the recent past?

I mean, Tom Allen is 4 games in. We can judge him on that now?

Many of the players the OP mentioned are in their 2nd year. We're going to make sweeping generalizations on a guy like P-Woo who is only a 3rd of the way into is sophomore year? Reckon we ought to see the season out and then rush to judgement?

Who (what coach) exactly IS responsible for a given player's development? I'd argue that the entire staff is responsible, not a singular position coach. Who on this board is even qualified to pass judgement on a player's development given they literally at most see the player play in games only, which accounts for likely 20% of the time they are training/playing football.

Everyone wants to throw CJ under the bus. If we are holding him accountable to being singularly responsible for RB development, ya'll should be shouting from the tree tops about what he's done with Randall after having played 5 total games after a position change.

Again, tired narrative from lazy internet "fans".

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Also Josh Sapp. And while we're at it

Ok, seems like moving goalposts. I mean, Dabo catches all of the