Re: "allowing Ukraine air defense systems to lapse"

Tony_elTigre® · 2025-07-10T03:00:47.988Z

dumb donald sides with Russia and Vladimir Pu Pu, and chastises the President of Ukraine… coz you know “they got no cards” Now dumb donald who’s a snake, realizes The Russian Dictator is a snake and a lier, and generally a P.O.S. So we are back to arming Ukraine What a full circle moment

Sooooo, about Ukraine

Re: Sooooo, about Ukraine

Sure

Stop parroting Russian talking points like a mindless drone

Education yourself...

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-europe-largely-fills-the-us-aid-withdrawal-lead-byn-the-nordics-and-the-uk/

Europe is doing plenty and has been all along. In 2025 they are basically doing everything. Stop whining about what the EU is contributing to Ukraine.

And stop whining about Europe buying Russian fossil fuels.

https://energyandcleanair.org/may-2025-monthly-analysis-of-russian-fossil-fuel-exports-and-sanctions/

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/07/02/russias-natural-gas-exports-to-europe-plunge-to-historic-lows-a89650

https://www.bruegel.org/analysis/european-union-russia-energy-divorce-state-play

The EU has completely eliminated their coal imports from Russia and nearly completely eliminated their petroleum imports. Slovakia and Hungary represent a significant amount of that "EU imports of Russian fossil fuels" statistics. Yes, they are EU, but they are also Russia-aligned leaders. Europe has done a considerable amount of reduction in their import of fossil fuels from Russian and has plans for a full decoupling. It takes time.

I realize you'll never read the links provided because you're not trying to understand the issue, you're trying to win an argument, and any talking point you can throw out to avoid critical thought is helpful in that regard. But in case I'm wrong about you...see above and happy reading.

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Re: Sure

Jul 10, 2025, 10:20 AM [ in reply to Sure ]

Putin really can't end the war. I don't think we understand that in the West.

As long as he continues to fight he can continue to sell the notion that if Russia fights long enough, resolutely enough, and sacrifices enough, there will be victory. He may even believe it; he's basically banking everything on the West's support for Ukraine drying up. The problem with that logic is, it also presumes the West and especially the EU is stupid enough to not realize that once he's through Ukraine, they're next, one bite at a time. They are not. The EU learned that lesson the very hard way in the 1930's trying to placate Hitler. It's a different world now.

As long as he continues to fight, though, Putin's a wartime leader with wartime powers, with an external enemy to focus the Russian people's rage on. It's the West's fault, see, that they drove us to this. We're just doing what we had to do.

The second that changes, the question is immediately raised in Russia: what did we get, for what we lost? And no matter how much Putin tries to sell it or spin it, the answer is: not much. Russia has taken about 26,000 square miles of territory since 2022 in almost three and a half years of fighting...an area about the size of West Virginia. (By way of comparison Texas is ten times that size.) In exchange for almost a million casualties...plus the brain drain of another million young Russian men - most of them skilled and educated. Plus economic sanctions that have placed enormous strain on Russia's standard of living. Plus being cast out of the International community...Russians are pariahs and enemies to most of the world, now.

And of course, West Virginia is also a wealthy land of milk and honey compared to what Russia got, since almost every bit of what they got is cratered like the surface of the moon and pounded to rubble by Russian artillery. It'd take hundreds of billions of dollars that Russia doesn't have to rebuild it.

So my guess is, the war doesn't "end" so much as it just peters out as Russia loses the ability to mount offensive operations - it's kind of hard to mount assaults on motorcycles and golf carts, and that's what they're down to now a lot of places - and then what we'll likely see is a perpetual frozen conflict on both sides of the border more or less like the DMZ between North and South Korea...who are also still technically at war, 70 years on.

Sure, the Russian people continue to suffer and Russia remains an international pariah - very much a larger version of North Korea - but hey, at least Putin gets to stay in power.

For awhile, anyway. Russia is one of many nations crumbling demographically...and exactly like North Korea, they've essentially become a client state to China. And China is not long for this world. Between demographics, debt crisis, bank crisis, property crisis, water crisis, and ecological disaster on a scale we in the US can't fathom, China doesn't have a decade left as a nation. It may not even have five. And when it goes, so do North Korea and Russia.

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