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All-TigerNet [5706]
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All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
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Aug 31, 2024, 10:12 PM
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When your qb sucks, your team sucks
This isn’t rocket science
We hit the powerball 2 times in a row with Deshaun and Trevor
And we have had two total busts in DJ and Cade.
I blame Dabo for poor roster management though. We needed a QB in the portal and he didn’t make that happen and he’s about to experience some miserable days because of it
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
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Aug 31, 2024, 10:14 PM
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it’s not just the qb
he isn’t what we need at the position but the problems are numerous
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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I say you dont know football
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Aug 31, 2024, 10:18 PM
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You got an o line blocking and protecting
And there were open receivers all night
I saw a qb that had ###### footwork, no feel for a pocket and zero game presence
On top of that he made physical errors
If carson beck were qb for clemson, we’d won that game by 21 points
It’s that #### bad
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: I say you dont know football
Aug 31, 2024, 10:58 PM
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I would say you don't know football, because there was a ton of different between how much time Beck had vs how much Klubnik had.
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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Amazing how much time you have when you step up in the pocket
Sep 1, 2024, 12:04 PM
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Cade wasn’t being bum rushed up the middle
He had plenty of time to throw the ball
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Team Captain [465]
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
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Aug 31, 2024, 10:18 PM
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Disagree. Is klubnik elite? No. Heck, I'm not even sure he's mediocre. However, whether it's Streeter or Rikey the scheme is still the same. Every opponent has our playback. There's no innovation or adapting. We're trying to be 2017 Clemson in 2024 and it just isn't working.
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
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Aug 31, 2024, 11:05 PM
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I saw the same game you did, play calling not the greatest, but QB is horrible. Under throws receivers over throws receivers, waits to long to throw, has no instinct when to hand it off, or when to run. All in all Klubnik is bad, and our QB room has to be bad, to let this guy stay as starter.
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Campus Hero [13749]
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Cade is serviceable to say the least
Aug 31, 2024, 10:19 PM
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They dropped at least 2 that entire second half and we still couldnt run.
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Re: Cade is serviceable to say the least
Aug 31, 2024, 11:24 PM
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there were to beautiful long - LONG passes dropped that just about broke me
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Hall of Famer [8251]
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Re: Cade is serviceable to say the least
Aug 31, 2024, 11:25 PM
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Paw Warrior [4795]
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
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Aug 31, 2024, 10:20 PM
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I'm not going to defend Cade but I'd like to see these "wide open" wrs bc I did not see many plays at all where the wrs were beating their guys in the 1st 3 quarters.
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
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Aug 31, 2024, 10:48 PM
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Isn't that also a coaching problem? That can't line up correctly, can't block, can't catch, and can't get open. Not to mention they never run drag routes over the middle. Just the same scheme year after year.
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Paw Warrior [4795]
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
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Aug 31, 2024, 10:59 PM
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Yes and agree. Teams with 5'9 190 lb qbs move the ball more efficiently. There is something wrong fundamentally with this offense. The wrs are highly sought after in hs but have yet to show out at Clemson. Coaching is an issue and above all the "Clemson Scheme" has been too reliant on generational talent. Etienne imo masked alot of the bad playcalling and poor scheming. Obviously TLaw also played a large part in that but Etienne was a bad playcall eraser. LSU really exposed the offensive scheme and they were not a great defense that year.
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I agree. Where were all those open receivers?
Sep 1, 2024, 10:42 AM
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There were some open receivers but before Cade could deliver the ball, they were no longer open. Face it, Clemson has absolutely no passing game right now. Why? Only the coaches can say but in my humble opinion: 1) QB timing and recognition is terrible.... as well as his delivery. Long passes were late and under-thrown, leading to multiple INT opportunities for GA. In fact, all passes were late. 2) Receivers lack route running skills and we need Renfrow to come back to teach them how to run routes and come back or parallel to QB once he has to run. Give the QB a moving target. If anyone out there never understood why Cade never replaced DJ, now we know for sure. However, I will say that DJ had terrible route running receivers too. I thought that GA receiver with the inside move then pivoted to corner route was a thing of beauty. I know the GA QB had time to wait but he turned that ball loose early knowing where the receiver was going and it was perfection. Wonder how many times they practiced that? Watching that GA team and how clinical that offense looked and how tough that defense was on both the front and the back end, I wonder if our Clemson team can ever get that dominate again. We once were.
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Re: I agree. Where were all those open receivers?
Sep 1, 2024, 12:00 PM
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Watched the ODU qb complete passes to tightly
Covered receivers last night. If he didn’t have so many fumbles would have beaten game crocs. Have to be able to adjust as a q b to lead your team to victory.
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Orange Blooded [2451]
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
Aug 31, 2024, 10:52 PM
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100% agree.
Cade is mediocre at best.
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Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
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Aug 31, 2024, 10:53 PM
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DJU, Hunter Johnson, Klubnik, etc. All were highly coveted 5 star recruits.
Who have they developed in a real way, who displayed tons of improvement during their time at Clemson?
The last one I remember was Tajh Boyd, and I don’t believe any of the assistant coaches responsible for his growth are still here.
Deshaun and Trevor were elite the moment they arrived at Clemson. They were great for us, but you can point to multiple stats to suggest that they didn’t improve much and actually regressed some.
Early returns suggest that Vizzina, once a 5 star recruit as well, isn’t developing as we hoped.
At some point, we need to stop blaming the QBs and start blaming the coaches who recruited them and are in charge of developing them.
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
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Aug 31, 2024, 10:58 PM
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I can see why your common sense approach on here has made you unpopular among the T-net faithful Judge Keller. Common sense and Tigernet don't mix.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
Aug 31, 2024, 11:02 PM
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Common sense would be realizing that Uialgalelei and Johnson didn't do any better at other schools either, so that would contradict his premise.
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Head Coach [948]
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
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Aug 31, 2024, 11:20 PM
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What about the lack of scheme change? I think his big picture message was a lack of good coaching. Our record and on field product still support his premise.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
Aug 31, 2024, 11:22 PM
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What are you planning on changing? What's your scheme for not being able to block the other team, or outrun them?
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Head Coach [948]
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
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Aug 31, 2024, 11:29 PM
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Our O-line is not elite, but they're only part of the problem. Our wr's are still an issue, but only a piece of the puzzle. I'm not sure what Our offensive identity is. Last year it was obvious at the end of the year. Run the ball and play defense. We never tried to establish the run against UGA, and our defense was both gasse, and honestly I think they were disheartened against UGA. When's the last time you saw a WR Runa crossing route? Our scheme seems to be way to simple. Quick pass to the outside, run up the middle, short pass over the middle to the tight end. Occasional gonroute down the sideline to pretend like we care about stretching the field. And let's not forget a about letting Cade run the read option where he inevitably makes the wrong read and gets a tackle for loss or turnover. To your point if these players can't perform are our coaches missing this poorly on their evaluations? Are we not developing? It all starts with coaching, specifically the head coach.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
Sep 1, 2024, 8:38 AM
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When it comes to either failing to evaluate or develop players, you are ignoring the elephant in the room. These are simply the best players we can get to come here. The better ones are going other places.
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
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Sep 1, 2024, 9:00 AM
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That’s BS. We continually have top 10-15 recruiting classes, and currently have the fifth most talented roster. It’s not a lack of pure talent…
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
Sep 1, 2024, 10:22 AM
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Adam Randall isn't A top 10-15 player. Antonio Williams isn't A top 10-15 player. Cole Turner isn't A top 10-15 player. There's your answer, and there's the problem.
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
Sep 1, 2024, 11:26 AM
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Is this not something the portal could help address? The portal won't return us immediately to elite status, but it definetly could help. Refusing to adapt to modern football is tanking the program, plain and simple. Why are Randall and Turner trotting on the field in front of our 2 highly recruited WR commits? Is that not a coaching decision as well? If they can't hack it why not try someone else?
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Clemson Icon [24207]
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In my experience I have witnessed him/her move in between two territories.
Sep 1, 2024, 11:47 AM
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1. Making sense 2. Tearing down
There is overlap between being negative and making sense. But if we looked at it on a Venn diagram we would see plenty of posts purely designed to malign without being attached to "making sense." The more credit this poster builds with making sense, it is eventually leveraged to enervate Dabo's support. Obviously during times like this when there is an ocean of opportunity to legitimately criticize Dabo, one doesn't need to risk exposing the more petty avenues. But I have seen plenty to suggest that this poster is operating from the primary motivation of pointing out that resources available to coaches are the biggest factor in evaluating their job performance. Dabo has all the goods and Clemson basketball has had far less. After being pounded for a long time holding onto this argument in defense of Brownell, this poster sensed an opportunity (and developed a genuine spite) to go on a campaign to paint Dabo as a has-been underachiever drunk on his own past success.
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
Sep 1, 2024, 11:25 AM
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It’s a bit early to say DJU is a bust at FSU…
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Re: Our staff has managed to get little to no improvement out of multiple elite QBs.
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I'd like to apologize to you for various attacks on your knowledge of the game I love. I'm on the same page with you that coaching is issue #1. Too many 4 stars and highly recruited players on this offense to look as bad as they do and tbh the 2019 LSU team really exposed this "Clemson scheme" which has increasingly gotten more vanilla.
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
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Aug 31, 2024, 11:04 PM
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Play calling is not Cade's job.
WR routes (not finishing routes) - not Cade's job.
WRs lining up wrong is not Cade's job.
Stop blaming Cade!
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
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Sep 1, 2024, 8:52 AM
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Cades job is not to throw the ball in the dirt the first play of the game.
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Stop blaming Cade?
Sep 1, 2024, 11:07 AM
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Face it, Clemson has no passing game right now any GA figured that out fairly quickly. Cade is a problem only because he is late with every ball thrown and often off target because he lacks the arm strength to actually lead the receiver .... under-thrown ball intercepted again. Our receivers run terrible routes that are so bad it looks like the GA DB's knew the routes better than we did. Passing game needs to be better evaluated to find what works. Also, I think it is time to give the freshmen a chance ON THE FIELD! How long is Sammy Brown going to hang around knowing he could follow that fast RB out of the backfield on that often used 2nd half wheel route that was never covered. And those freshmen receivers we heard so much about. Time to turn them loose and quit hoping that Randall or the other receivers can suddenly create separation or catch contested balls. But what do I know? Only what I see on the field that makes me wonder what the coaches are seeing in practice.
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Is there any such thing as QB development?
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Aug 31, 2024, 11:29 PM
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Or quality schemes and play calling? And why is Dabo always in Cade's ear to the exclusion of Riley?
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
Aug 31, 2024, 11:32 PM
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I agree if the right QB is in the portal that we need to offer whatever it takes for a great QB to come to Clemson, we are a QB away from having a national championship caliber team. Cade does not suck, but he is an average qb with no pocket presence. He’s like DJ and has a great arm relent, but it does not translate to making good decisions, good throws under pressure, and making the right reads. I love that the last few years people tried to sugar coat this with the offense line because Clemson has never had a great offense line but it was masked with generational qb talents, but it is stressful this year because shockingly, Luke has did wonders with our OL and they played lights out today but we couldn’t make good passes all night and the few that were good got called back, didn’t capitalize, or shot ourselves in he foot. We have turned into the mediocre Georgia team before they started winning, a ground and pound team that was missing a QB. Now air raid has taken college fb by storm and we do not have the QB to run it, at least he hasn’t found his mojo yet. I’m not ready to throw the towel on Klubnik yet, but he needs to start with blowing app state out of the water and find his mojo throughout the year for us to have a chance at winning the championship. Thankfully our cupcake schedule this year will help with that.
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Then it's all Dabo's gaslighting crap.***
Sep 1, 2024, 11:40 AM
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Re: Then it's all Dabo's gaslighting crap.***
Sep 1, 2024, 11:50 AM
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Scheme is vanilla as it can be. No question. Other than Williams our WR’s looked like crap. Cade had little confidence and was tentative all day.
If we had Cam Ward at qb and we marched out Briningstool. Williams, Wesco, Moore and Brown how good could we be??
If the answer is way better then it’s not the receivers.
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Re: All this Riley being handcuffed by Dabo stuff is nonsense
Sep 1, 2024, 11:53 AM
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I mean you’re correct on the talent portion. But this offensive scheme is very similar to Streeter offense and Tony Elliot offense. This “Clemson” offense is the issue. I love Dabo, but a lot of us feel like he’s micro managing. I just keep watching TCUs offense from a couple years ago and it just was so aggressive and competitive and the personnel was way less “Talented”. I just don’t believe this is the best Riley can scheme.
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