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All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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Our child's ACT score came in yesterday: 28. That puts her in the top 10% of test takers.
She achieved a dern 35 on the reading section and a 31 on the English part. Her math part (21) pulled her down.
(We could probably spend a whole thread dedicated to the notion/theory that the ACT/SAT tests are set up to reward left-brainers and punish right-brainers. But that's for another time.)
Anyway:
Cumulative GPA: 4.6 with several AP/Honors classes.
National Honors
Beta
Youth in Government
Chick-Fil-A Leadership Academy
Varsity athlete (volleyball, basketball, soccer)
Has held down a job since she could drive to work.
Will have very strong rec letters and will likely write a pretty compelling essay.
And all she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
She won't hardly countenance any other school (she's visited a few) and the idea of going to UofSC is anathema to her because, as she says, "I'd like to actually come out of undergrad smarter than I went in."
So please, someone, give it to me straight: Will she gain acceptance to Clemson with her resume, or will she have to Bridge?
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Either way is a win. Good luck! 🙏
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Jun 25, 2025, 10:26 AM
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I’d retake it if I were her. Especially if Clemson takes the best score from each section.
It’s insane how competitive Clemson has become. That score would’ve been guaranteed acceptance even 10 years ago.
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I see the middle 50% of acceptances were 28-32.
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Jun 25, 2025, 10:38 AM
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So she's in the lower end of the middle.
Our ace in the hole is an uncle who is on the Foundation board who can make a call if necessary. But we don't want to play that card unless backed into a corner.
He told her if she makes anything *less than a 28 to not even bother to report scores, which is to your point about how dern selective they've become.
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that's nice. Our youngest who earned nothing less than a A and almost has an
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Associates Degree from all the college courses she took in high school, got Winkopp's Bridge scam. Despite my degrees and her two sister's degrees, and our giving level putting us in one of their "giving societies," Admissions made it clear that "legacy" admissions are relics of our racist past and perpetuates the oppression of underrepresented people groups. "Ever Loyal" huh? Well, I'm glad they woke me up to that because donating to Clemson just because I graduated from there is exactly that kind of perpetuated oppression. We only donate to HBCUs now and dropped Clemson from our estate planning. Which is sad because I really liked the idea of Giving Day when that started. It helped us remember to keep our consecutive years of giving going (ironic) and I would urge Clemson co-workers to donate that day and watch the total go up on the website.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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How did admissions go about making it "clear that legacy admissions are
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Jun 25, 2025, 11:22 AM
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relics of our racist past and perpetuates the oppression of underrepresented people groups"?
I can truck with her not being academically up to snuff given a competitive, selective process, as was the case with your daughter.
But I'd like to hear more from you about how the university continues to base admissions on race despite SCOTUS's ruling in "Students for Fair Admissions v. President of Harvard."
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Re: How did admissions go about making it "clear that legacy admissions are
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This was probably before the SCOTUS decision and they sent me a letter with basically those very words. Or that's how it read. Which is noble and all I guess. I'm not that eloquent. And no I pitched the letter and don't have it. Just like I've pitched all the 1889 cumulative Giving Society stuff. I've given back much more than Clemson and IPTAY gave me in scholarships so I'm fine with stopping. Never wanted recognition and turned them down when they wanted to profile us in the magazine. I just had felt the need to give back and we are done now. I love Clemson and visiting Clemson and going to games in Death Valley when we can. But like every generation, the Clemson I knew is long gone. Sounds like the good old boy network is still around if you have an in, but my daughter wanted to earn her admission.
My daughter is very happy with her choice of school this fall. Pepperdine is similar to Clemson in selectivity and she was accepted there. UConn is slightly better than Clemson and she got in there, so I don't know about up to snuff.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Nothing noble about discrimination based on race.
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Jun 25, 2025, 12:48 PM
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I apologize - I made it sound as though your daughter was not up to snuff. What I meant was that your daughter was not up to snuff per Clemson standards. Which is what my daughter may well be, too.
In which case, she'll just go to Texas A&M or Auburn where they'll readily accept both her and our money, if Clemson doesn't want it.
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Heisman Winner [81492]
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yeah sorry. I meant that sarcastically.
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:47 PM
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How noble it made the admissions folks feel.
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Me2.. 1st hand experience.
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Jun 25, 2025, 12:55 PM
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But the right legacy..
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I got a similar speech directly from an Admissions officer with my `1st daugther
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present. It broke her heart. But somehow she got in. My 2nd daughter with similar scores as her sister got bridged. She felt slighted and went to Auburn. Alumni connection should be a leg up. Generations of Clemson grads is a special thing and should continue. Sad that they dont value this anymore.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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When Barker went all-in on "R-1 Research" status
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Jun 25, 2025, 12:56 PM
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much changed.
And then Dabo happened, and out-of-states skyrocketed, and much changed.
And then DEI happened, and much changed.
I tell our daughter to control what she can control, which is very little, and let the Lord work on the things that belong to him.
Also, a family member pulled strings and got a cousin into summer start last year (she was a marginally good student from Charleston) ... she got LIVID, and decided Auburn was the better fit for her. Basically, she expected full admission because her Dad is a Tiger, and his Dad was a Tiger, and they have money, and she's a unique little flower just like everyone else, and all that.
Meanwhile, the uncle who went to bat for her came out looking like a chump when she declined the spot.
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It’s sad due to the changes in our world Greed seems to be what is so important. Even some of the changes at Clemson are about money. Fortunately Clemson still maintains many high quality standards that many of our other Colleges and Universities no longer maintain as part of their culture.
It’s unfortunate that being an Alumni from Clemson and an annual donor is losing its status.
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Acceptance often depends on the degree someone wants to pursue...
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As an example, Nursing is going to be significantly more competitive than say Parks, Recreation, and Tourism Management.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Is boating science/water skiing a course of study?
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Re: Is boating science/water skiing a course of study?
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Jun 25, 2025, 11:04 AM
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Tell her to apply as math major
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Orange Elite [5401]
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She'll break out in hives but okay ...
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Jun 25, 2025, 11:25 AM
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I'll suggest it.
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Re: She'll break out in hives but okay ...
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I was going to say the exact same about majors. So tell her to apply for a degree where Clemson has harder time filling quota. Tell her to apply for like Forestry, Botony, Wildlife, Etc. All the freshman courses are the typical Lit, Chem, etc, and they woukd transfer. The classes she takes to relative degree would be passed as electives so its not a wasted year. Then she has to make sure she makes 3.0+, then get her counselor to transfer her to the degree of her choice. Kids change degrees all the time, but this makes an easier way into programs.
My buddy's daughter wanted a Bus. degree but she was barely above avg scores, she applied for Ag Bus thinking it was easier to get into and she did. Just so happens, she fell in love with the degree and graduated now working for a big farm business.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Thank you!
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Jun 25, 2025, 3:20 PM
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If there's one thing I'm good at
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it's the use of leisure skills in a lake setting.
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Orange Beast [6226]
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Most important factor is Major
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The scores posted by OP are very solid and should be considered excellent, but if you’re looking for Analytical Chemistry or Microbiology or something similar, then you might be missing the boat. Plenty of other options to explore and many students will find it easier to change their major in year 2 when the weaker links are weeded out in the Big Brain majors.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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She's not a STEM'r.
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Highly intelligent -- she's made As in every STEM-related class she's ever taken. But she's not the least bit interested.
Someone suggested she might just marry an engineer if she isn't wanting to become one herself LOL. But she's not interested in pursuing that track, either!
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I think it depends on the applicants. Sadly, we really hose locals to get the revenue from out of state tuition. Best of luck to you both. Impressive resume. I remember the stress with both my girls and we were fortunate they got in. But man it was stressful. Hang in there.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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I'm clearly more stressed than she is.
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She said if her very best (and she has absolutely given her very best all these years) is not good enough for Clemson, she'll pivot.
But she still won't go to UofSC. I think she'd do CofC or Coastal. Or join the Foreign Legion, before choosing UofSC.
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How much do you donate to iptay? Clemson fund?
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Jun 25, 2025, 10:38 AM
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Are your out of state?
Do you have a relative/ good friend at Sikes?
What major?
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Orange Elite [5401]
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In-state.
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Jun 25, 2025, 10:44 AM
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She'd probably do an english/lit/history track for starters. She's surrounded by lawyers and is thinking she maybe might want to be one, too. They all tell her to do english and learn to write.
Yes, we have big donors in the family, and she'd be a fourth-generation Tiger.
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If she is thinking law school, ask Clemson.
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If she is thinking law school, ask Clemson. They have statistics on student MCAT and LSAT grades. I believe they share some of this information during the tours. They know which majors score the highest. Use their research to choose the best major and include their information in the essay.
Use that essay to explain why Clemson is the best educational choice for her career aspirations.
Attend the tours. Get to know the professors in the degree. Find out how many are accepted in each of the possible degrees (English, History, Philosophy, Communications, etc.) You can probably find out the demographics and accepted scores if you keep asking enough questions.
Each time you will learn more and I expect your research will pay off.
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Ultimate Tiger [33952]
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Big donor needs to call iptay or the presidents
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Office... wich ever your relative donates to.
The rest won't matter.
A Friend of mine had a son that did not get in 3 years ago. The kid Did get bridge.
His grandma is a big donor.
Grandma called the presidents office.. her grandson was immediately moved from bridge to accepted.
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I was accepted in 2018 with a 28 ACT and similar high school credentials. I was out of state and that was 7 years ago at this point, but I would say she definitely has a great shot to get in! Best of luck to her!
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Thank you!
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Jun 25, 2025, 10:45 AM
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Go Tigers ...
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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What is here class ranking? That can matter, b/c SC schools compete for Palmetto Fellows and (I think) for Life Scholars.
I think for Fellows, you need to be in top 6% of class anytime after 10th, 11th or 12th grade year; and need a 32 on ACT.
I think for Life, you need to be in top 30% of class ad need a 22 on ACT.
But, I may have those off a bit.
I'm not sure you need to do an essay, but I can't remember. My son got in last year, and he did not do an essay. Also, legacy points can help, even if just a little (family alumni, military graduates).
Looks like she has a pretty strong resume. And if you get bridge, please take it! I don't understand why some people don't like it. My nephew did it ... there was almost no difference in his freshman experience. And, more importantly, it provided structure he needed at the time to "make it" that first year. Frankly, my son could've used it in some ways. He got in outright and is doing fine, but could've use some structure his second semester.
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Class size is 100.
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Jun 25, 2025, 10:49 AM
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She's not in the top 6.
So she's definitely a Life scholar and that's great. We'll look at other financial opportunities, too.
Clemson admits plenty of kids from her school (Southside Christian in GVL). Some who have stronger scores/resumes than she does, some who do not.
She'd be a fourth-gen Tiger and the family has given/still gives much to the university. By "much" I mean some money and a lot of time serving on boards/foundations.
I think if she bridges she won't hesitate to go. But I know she'd be a bit crestfallen.
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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Stop it, Dad. These things take care of themselves and there's nothing you can do to influence the outcome.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Helpful input.
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Jun 25, 2025, 10:51 AM
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Thank you.
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Re: Helpful input.
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I think she definitely has good shot, especially if you applies as English major or something similar.
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Hall of Famer [8628]
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Re: Helpful input.
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And good luck, I know that is stressful.
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Thank you!
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What an insensitive response!
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He loves his daughter and is advocating for her. That is what caring, involved parents do. I'm sorry if your parents didn't do their best to help you out.
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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I disagree, you can get her some help on math and get that Math score up. We have two out of college, one in now, one to go. All good kids that sounds just like your daughter, and all with their own strengths and weaknesses. If you can afford it, get her a tutor that teaches the tricks of the test, it really matters, and helped all three of ours. She does control her test scores, help her where she needed it, get that score up to a 26-28 and she’s a shoe in…. Im telling you that there is an art to these standard tests and when they know that and get that confidence boost, the scores go up….
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Orange Elite [5401]
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We *did* get her some help on the math part.
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And the other parts, too. We paid $1,000 for a tutor, and she put in substantial time with the tutor -- one-on-one instruction, test strategies, etc.
Some kids see these tests as games. A friend back in Texas has a son who would take the d*mn SAT practice tests for FUN. And he wound up with a 1500.
Our kid might could go spend another five or ten sessions focused on math with the tutor (at the cost of another $1k), and it might get her up to a 22 or 23 on math. And that would raise her maybe to a 28.5 or 29.
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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If she is an in-state student I like her chances.
Out of state , that's when they seem to get really picky.
My daughter was a freshman in 2016 , and she got in with similar scores ...but we were in-state at that time.
Good Luck to her ! And you.
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Thank you!
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Is she from out-of-state? It's important.***
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Orange Elite [5401]
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In state.
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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My son did not get in and immediately went to the Clemson transfer office and found out what it takes to transfer in as a sophomore. He was informed that the transfer route is much easier to get accepted than the traditional method straight out of high school. His transfer counselor showed what classes to take at his local tech school so he could assure all the credits would be accepted by Clemson. So he spent his freshman year at the local tech school taking all the normal 101 classes and did it all for free under the Lottery Scholarship program. He made straight A’s at tech and was easily accepted the following year as sophomore transfer into Clemson. It saved me a year of full price tuition and he still got to go to his dream school. It’s a much easier path if your kid can swallow their pride for one year.
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This! This...This...This...This...This!
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On point! Or bridge...but as much love for Clemson as I have, freshman year at virtually any school is burning dollars. I'm not so sure schools know that and it's the year they actually make money.
Have a good friend whose son bridged...seems like he was actually there. Junior intern now...the dream lives!
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Re: This! This...This...This...This...This!
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Well Salty as you know it saved us a lot of money since he was classified as out of state for the bridge year. We personally chose not to fight for regular admission even though we had a family member with some pull and he had friends with lesser credentials that did get in. There are some negatives. He felt like he was not really Clemson students that year and the grades do not transfer. If you make a 4.0 at Tri County you start with no GPA your sophomore year. The positives are lower cost, better housing, and "bridge" friends for life. Since they are all in the same boat they really seem to bond.
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I did something similar.
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I graduated under a dual-degree program. I went three years at Lander College (at the time) then transferred to Clemson for two years. I have a BS Mathematics from Lander and a BS Civil Engineering from Clemson.
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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Hope she makes it - good luck to her and hope she is a future Tiger
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Thank you!
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This was a few years back, but I had my kids take good ACT prep classes and retake the test. I would estimate those classes netted me about $40K in scholarship money.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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We hired a test tutor
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and she busted a hump twice a week going downtown to spend a couple of hours with them for several weeks before the test.
It was the tutor who determined the ACT was the better fit for her.
She knows she could take it again and hope to bump the math score up in such a way as to get her overall score up to a 29 or 30 ... but she said the math was so beyond anything she'd seen, that she is unsure whether taking it again would yield a different result.
And I tend to agree with her.
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Playmaker [372]
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Not sure if they super score it still, but if they do, have her focus on math only and retake that and don't worry about other scores. It won't hurt her. I went SAT route back in the day and I think I took that thing 3 or 4 times.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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THIS^^^^
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I'm trying to persuade her. She may yet come around to that line of thinking. We'll see...
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Im just glad all my kids are done, last one graduated May 23..***
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Im just glad all my kids are done, last one graduated May 23..***
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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Bridge may feel like a kick in the teeth, but I transferred to Clemson after my freshman year elsewhere (didn't decide I wanted to go to Clemson until after I missed all the application deadlines) and like 90% of my friends in school were bridge kids. We all got the same degree as everyone who got accepted out of high school. She will be just fine one way or the other!
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Yeah I'm a proud JUCO/transfer.
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Saved my folks a stack or two of bills going that route, too.
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Solid Orange [1339]
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Re: Yeah I'm a proud JUCO/transfer.
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Me too. One year at a local community college and then I still did 4 years at Clemson because I took some easy semesters lol... not sure how much my parents liked that but, I needed to get another football season in. And most of the burden of the tuition was falling on me anyway, so I didn't care.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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When I graduated Baylor,
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the board of trustees welcomed my absence ...
My deal with my folks was that I had to finish in four or pay full freight. So I carried 18-19 hours/semester + summer 1 and 2 after both my sophomore and junior years to get out on time.
And I suffered greatly -- my lack of IQ and my lack of discipline birthed an abundance of academic mediocrity.
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Trainer [42]
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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When my daughter applied with similar background, I pulled several strings to ensure that her application was actually screened by someone that knew of her background, grads in her family, present/past giving, Clemson Clubs, etc. Why wouldn't you do that? My perspective was for me to do whatever I could that was legal and above board to get her application/name highlighted in numerous ways. It seemed to me that was my role as her father: help her to get into her only school that she really wanted and where she has been going to games since an infant. In the end, she only applied to Clemson as that was her only desire. Luckily, she got in, graduated in 4.5 years (had to get that extra football season while taking 12 hours of electives), continues to go to games while now driving us and her new husband to virtually all home games, and attending all playoff games. God is Good and Go Tigers!!!
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Orange Elite [5401]
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I didn't say we wouldn't pull strings
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(and we have a couple) ... I said we'd prefer not to if we can avoid it.
I think if strings need to be pulled, her elders will gladly pull them for her. And they'll do it because she's a young woman of the highest caliber with a great head on her shoulders and a family that supports her, and roots that run deep at Clemson.
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Clemson Conqueror [11535]
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In 2019 - my son was accepted (from out-of-state) with a lower GPA, but a
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higher ACT (I can't remember exactly what it was - but it was definitely 30-something).
What follows is 20-year-old information. A family member went to TCT for a year (while all of his friends went to The Bridge program). He was accepted after that year at TCT with what he called "OK" grades at TCT.
I think - worst case - she would have to suffer a year somewhere else and then transfer in easily.
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Orange Phenom [14870]
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If I was enrolling these days I'd probably opt for the bridge program
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You still live on campus and have the same social environment as everyone else while saving 10s of thousands of dollars. Sounds pretty sweet to me.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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She wants to pledge Kappa Delta her freshman year like her momma and aunt
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:14 PM
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and can't go greek as a Bridge kid. That's her only real hangup about Bridge. It's ridiculous. It's absurd. But 17-year-olds are hard to convince sometimes.
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All-TigerNet [5691]
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AIA....
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I have two kids (one just graduated Clemson, the other is at UF) and I know a ton about the application process t/o country.
IMO, worst case, she gets Bridge. Almost everyone I know who has gone to Bridge has a great experience and you walk into your sophomore year with a high GPA. Pretty much the same experience at a regular Clemson student, except they live together, go to different class location and can't rush. Remember, when you get your Clemson degree, it doesn't say Bridge. Don't let her pride take over if that happens.
Anyways, based on her stats, I think she could fall into one of three categories: Reg Admit; Summer Admit or Bridge. Don't see a denial. Summer Admit is same as regular, but student is required to come in for 2nd term of Summer (five/six weeks I think) and take two easy classes. I know a girl who did that who thought she would get Fall admit, but checked box of optional summer admission b/c she thought it would help her chances. Subsequently, she ended up getting summer admitted and she felt slightly bummed. However, she ended up having a great time, met a ton of forever friends and had a 4.0 going into Fall and knew where everything was (your daughter, like mine, probably already knows where most things are).
IMO, I would get her to take the test again. I know she probably doesn't want to. Also, just my opinion, I don't think taking test prep for a few weeks really is that beneficial. Real improvement, based on our girls and others we know, comes from taking legit tutoring courses over many months. A 28 is good...maybe that'll do the trick...but would love to see that at 30+ if you want assurance. Remember, you can superscore, so that 35 in Reading is probably good to go and she can focus on other sections. If she only went to a tutor for a short time, I bet she has a higher ceiling. I bet she can improve that math, but my intuition tells me the other sections...science and english???) is where she has room to make good gains. JMO.
I would continue to add as many activities as you can. Schools generally look at first three years and don't consider senior year--so her grades are baked in. Class rank is important.
Feel free to ask any more questions..Ive seen them all....
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Thank you!
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:20 PM
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Great info on: checking the "summer start" box ... We'll be sure to watch for that.
She ran out of time on the math section. I'm gently nudging her in the direction of going for it again given the superscoring. But she's not ready to hear it yet. Maybe in a couple of weeks.
Our tutor was recommended by others whose kids saw significant jumps (and thus more money) under his tutelage, so I'm inclined to think he helped our daughter. But I can't prove it as she hadn't taken the test before connecting with him.
We're proud that a 28 puts her in the top 10% of test takers, on one hand, and grinding our teeth that it still might not be enough for Clemson.
She'll keep on trucking senior year -- maintain GPA, stay plugged in -- but she knows the nut-cutting happens Frosh-Junior year. She finished with a 4.6 and is probably 20 out of 100 in ranking. It's a pretty competitive school -- lots of rich kids with tutors and huge brains.
I suspect she'll choose Clemson even if she feels Clemson hasn't "chosen" her -- whether because she's bridged, or deferred/late admission, or summer-started.
And we're not keen to pay out-of-state money. But I guess we will if that's how the thing breaks.
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All-TigerNet [5691]
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Re: Thank you!
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AIA:
Yep, I think you are good to go. I would confirm with her HS counselor about the summer admit strategy. This was a friend of my first daughter...so that info was from 4.5 years ago.
I do know this year's class was VERY competitive. A good bit of kids who got bridged had very good stats and would have gotten in regular admit in past years. I'm sure your daughter's tutor is quite good; but I've seen many kids practice these tests for 1-2 years to get the 34+, 1450s+ etc.... If math is her weakness, my guess would be the gains there would be limited at this point in her career. For sure gains could be made there, but I bet the english, science, option writing section is where more gains could be made. I get the reluctance to take the test again. Its all about comfort with the test score (a good score) b/c her grades and activities look quite good. If she really wants to ensure being a regular admit...I would try to get that ACT up to 30 (if you can). Her guidance counselor should have great insight on that as well. Ask him/her what score was most likely needed for Clemson for most admits from her school and the state from the 2029 class
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Probably be close. 27 and 4.5 with
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Ap and honors classes got mine bridged in 2021 but saved me 8k the first yr and yes it has long passed as a state funded school that cares about in state students first
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Hall of Famer [8505]
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Has she taken the SAT?
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:23 PM
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Did I not mention that in the OP??
Just kidding - she came in at an 1140. Not quite up to the level she needed for Clemson. And she hated it. And the tutor suggested she do the ACT based on some batteries he put her through.
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Paw Warrior [4858]
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:25 PM
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Looks very similar to my daughter and she had no problem getting accepted. Good luck to her!!!
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Thank you!
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:26 PM
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When was your daughter accepted?
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Paw Warrior [4858]
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Re: Thank you!
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:31 PM
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5 years ago and it was pretty tough then...I'm guessing it may not be any easier now. She applied to USUC too for the heck of it and got accepted within 2 months...it took about 4 of Clemson so tell her to be patient. Also, I graduated in '92 so not sure how much of a factor the legacy thing is too?
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Everyone ... and I mean everyone ...
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:35 PM
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who applied to USuC from her school this year got in.
For two schools that are only about 90 miles apart, they may as well be on separate planets.
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Clemson Icon [24751]
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Not to correct you, but
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One's a planet...the other's an asteroid... 
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Paw Warrior [4858]
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We *tried* to keep an open mind on UofSC
Jun 26, 2025, 11:01 AM
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we really did.
But the suck is real down there.
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TigerNet Immortal [172970]
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A 21 on math will not get her into a BS degree program
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She should apply to a BA program and change her major once in or if all she wants is a piece of paper from Clemson she can stay with the BA degree and find an engineer to marry.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Helpful input.
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:44 PM
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Thanks.
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Paw Master [16840]
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I can't offer much advice, but plenty of commiserating.
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Clemson has become crazy competitive and it often seems like the rules don't make much sense. I have two young kids. I stopped donating to Clemson about ten years out of school...it just seemed like they were printing money and I...wasn't.  If a school considers a parent's lifetime donations in their calculus, I don't know what to tell my kids...I wasn't sending a lot of money to a school for that leg-up, especially when we are now out of state.
But I know a lot of die-hard Clemson people...multigenerational...whose kids went to Auburn or some other comparable school. I see a lot of resumes like your daughters that don't get in...and many that do. It's crazy and hard to decipher.
What I hope you've done...and what I hope to do for my kids...is to get them focused on why they are going to college. What are they hoping to do there. We all love Clemson, and sure it would be special if my kids chose it (and were chosen by it), but a great college experience can be had many places. Don't put all your eggs in one basket regardless.
And of course, best of luck to her and you!
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Thank you!
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Jun 25, 2025, 3:49 PM
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Certainly it is not what you know but who. And we have family members who know the right people, and give the right amounts.
But we don't want to play that game if we don't have to. It's gross.
She's not yet unlocked what she wants to "be" in terms of profession. But she believes Clemson is as good a place to unlock that knowledge as anywhere else. In her mind, it checks three main boxes: it's close to home, it's in-state (and we can afford in-state so no loans) and in the end, it's a world-class institution of higher learning.
Plus the boys are apparently pretty cute.
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Paw Master [16840]
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All good. I hope it works out...
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To your point, it seems like a lot of schools don't have patience for the "I want to figure it out in college" student...even though there certainly is an argument that college is a great place to figure it out. We might not think college kids are too smart, but they are a heck of a lot smarter than high school kids!
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Orange Elite [5401]
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Thanks!
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Jun 25, 2025, 3:59 PM
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All we tell her is that, whichever track she chooses, the odds are pretty good she'll need to go to grad school.
Which again fuels her desire to stay in-state and thus keep costs affordable/maximize scholly dollars/avoid loans while in undergrad.
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All-In [10345]
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Should. My daughter just graduated may 30th
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She was accepted into Clemson with a 3.46 gpa and terrible test scores.
She applied for elementary education and they accepted her for exploratory studies lol. Dont know how I'm/we're going to afford $55k though. I make $140k and they gave us no financial assistance. We called to see if there was anyway she could the bridge program to save some money. The counselor checked and it was full. We also just got her housing assignment and they put her in Barnett Hall which is 3 floors of sororities. Not really thrilled with rhat.
Her ex boyfriend did not get in with a 4.2 gpa but trying for engineering.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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To quote Judge Smails
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WE'LL GET NOTHING AND LIKE IT in terms of financial aid.
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Orange Elite [5470]
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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Jun 25, 2025, 3:35 PM
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Good luck!
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Dynasty Maker [3481]
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Not sure how many of you all
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have been following the number of applicants, but Clemson had 14,504 for the 2008-2009 year, 22,396 for the 2015-2016 year, and 60,122 for 2023-2024.
It is much, much more competitive to gain acceptance than in years past.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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The numbers skew in light of out-of-staters.
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Enrollment data shows a ridiculous COVID-era spike in out-of-state applications -- from 21k in 2019 and 2020 to a whopping 38k in 2021 (during the lockdowns) to 43k in 2022 and it just keeps spiraling upward: 50k in 2023 and 51k in 2024.
Average admit rate in that seven-year period: 45%
Meanwhile, in-state data suggests a slightly-less aggressive curve, indicating it is probably due to population growth and not some external factor (like COVID-era realities):
7,400 in-state apps in 2018. 9,900 in-state apps in 2024.
Average admit rate in that seven-year period: 55%
(Throw out that 2021 outlier for both in-state and out-of-state, the numbers don't move much.)
I'd speculate that what's happening is simply explained as more kids from other places hearing of Clemson and wanting to get in on the action for a variety of reasons.
Which is why state lawmakers MUST toe the line on keeping flagship schools like Clemson and UofSC FOR South Carolinians, first, and not selling out to the out-of-state myth.
It's probably in the law that they can't accept more than 49% out-of-state in any given year. I hope it is. I wish it was more like 20%.
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Starter [256]
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I would think twice about the Bridge Program - not as great as they play it up to be!
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Ultimate Tiger [35257]
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
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Hope she gets in!
Maybe apply as an out of state resident, and pay the $60k tuition premium, that worked for me and my third generation legacy daughter!
Now, how do I get North Carolina to refund those state taxes I been paying?!
Not bitter. Go Tigers!!
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You serious Clark?
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My daughter got in and its looking like $55k-ish. We're not sure how we're pulling this off. What tricks or advice you have for us?
We chose the cheapest meal plan and you have to pick an unlimited plan. She also got Barnett Hall which has one $, which is the lowest lol.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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We looked at Auburn
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back when she was thinking of pursuing a course of study that Clemson does not offer ... $65K for out-of-state...we choked on it.
What we told her was we'd pay as if it were in-state, and she'd be on the hook for the other $35,000.
Fortunately, she interned with someone in the field she was thinking of studying, and it changed her mind on it, and that removed Auburn from the table.
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Game Changer [1679]
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She sounds like an absolute lock to me.
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Orange Elite [5401]
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May it be so!
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Dynasty Maker [3242]
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I think she's in
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Interestingly, her numbers look very similar to what mine were. I took the SAT instead of the ACT, but they have conversion charts to compare the two, and my SAT score equivalency was identical to her ACT score. Like her, I did well on the English portion, but I underwhelmed on the math section. I don't remember my precise weighted GPA, but I know it was about 4.5. I took plenty of honors and AP courses, with varying levels of success in them. I was in Beta Club for 1 year before getting booted out for my grades not being good enough. I never did National Honors Society. I didn't do any student council, volunteering, or any other type of clubs or leadership/service groups. I did run varsity cross country and track for a couple years. I also played in the string orchestra and made it to all-region several times. I never had a job in high school. I think I wrote a pretty good essay, but nothing spectacular. I think I mentioned having several family members who were alums. I can't even remember about letters of recommendation to be honest, but if I had any, they wouldn't have been anything out of the ordinary. I also didn't have any help for disability, under-served group, or something of the like.
Long story short, I got accepted. I didn't actually end up going; I enrolled at Wofford instead and eventually withdrew, but that's a story for a different day. Now, that was back in 2020 when I graduated high school, so I don't know how much things might have changed since then. But I would feel pretty confident about your daughter's acceptance based on the information you've provided here. She has grades and scores that are almost exactly what mine were, and she probably has a better service/extracurricular resume. Clemson's admissions standards are selective, but they're not on the level of an Ivy school or somewhere like Georgia Tech or Duke. You need to be a good high school student, but it doesn't have to be anything crazy.
The one big factor I should mention is whether or not y'all are from South Carolina. That can have a significant effect, as Clemson prioritizes people from in-state (as do many schools). Of course, there are still plenty of out-of-state students at Clemson, and acceptance for them doesn't take a Harvard-level resume either, but the point is that the admissions standards are slightly tougher for out-of-state students because of the focus on serving those in-state. So that can make a difference. It could also depend on what major she has selected (if she's declared one yet). I was accepted as undecided. Based on what you said, I get the impression y'all are from here, but I wanted to make note of that just in case.
All in all, like I said, I feel pretty confident she'll get directly accepted based on what you've said here. I'd be willing to bet on it. I'd say I'm about 80% sure. I hope that I've provided accurate information here, and I really hope she gets accepted! Good luck to y'all, and let us know! I feel good about her chances with those numbers.
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Thank you!
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Yes, we're in-state (Simpsonville). Thanks for such a thoughtful response!
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Re: Thank you!
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I think the biggest threat is the level of out of state admissions. Both our kids were out of state. One chose Bridge, which worked out ok but difficult to compare to today because it was interrupted by the Covid campus closure. She spent 1.5 semesters on campus in bridge then was off campus as after bridging sophomore year. Bridge can work fine, but is best if your child can bridge directly to their intended program. Some programs are closed so you could loose time not getting the required classes when needed. My son is in graphic communications and would have been way off track if he had been bridge. Also, it’s awful tough to get the classes you want on schedule because of various resource issues with Clemson expanding so much. That’s a real problem Clemson hasn’t stepped up to solve. Honor’s college helps because they get first dibs during class registration.
Anyhow, since Clemson has been freezing tuition increases for in-state but not out of state, I suspect that is going to help reduce the population of out of state students that accept an offer.
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Re: Thank you!
Jun 26, 2025, 4:50 PM
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Being instate should help you. https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/how-to-get-into-clemson/
The instate acceptance rate is higher (not sure what % the Bridge component is) than for OOS. Despite the tempting full boat payment by out of staters, the school still has a mission to educate instate kids.
The advice to apply for offbeat majors is good. I would consider that seriously.
Also, don’t let acceptance rates get you down. Since Covid, kids are now applying to way more schools than they used to as it is a flex to say how many accepted you. It’s stupid and expensive as app fees are hitting $100 per, but high school kids.
So now tons of kids get waitlisted as it is the only way a school has an idea of their actual interest.
Bottom line is she probably has a decent shot. if she gets waitlisted she just has to respond that she is still interested and follow the process.
Good luck to you both.
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
Jun 26, 2025, 11:00 AM
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Reading your post Clemson should set a spot aside for such a special person. I tremendous confidence that your daughter will achieve her goal and Clemson will be fortunate to have such a dedicated student.
She sounds a lot like my daughter. Clemson was the only School she focused on. She graduated from Clemson in 2015. I have confidence that your daughter will be a special Clemson Graduate !
Keep us posted on your daughter’s goal. We will be praying for her to achieve her dreams and goals. Go future Tiger 🙏🐅 .
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
Jun 26, 2025, 5:18 PM
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Does Clemson still have the Bridge Program?
Those scores should get her in there, then transfer to CU soph year.
My daughter did it.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
Jun 26, 2025, 5:26 PM
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Supposedly. Someone on here not too long ago said his child was admitted to that program.
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borderline for general acceptance - could go either way. Should definitely be
Jun 26, 2025, 5:38 PM
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summer start or bridge accepted with those stats. Similar stats to our kid a couple of years ago. Started in the summer. You can also appeal those decisions and try to get the regular admission if you have something that has changed since app etc. Summer start is awesome. Don't apply for any restricted/highly competitive majors as probably will lose out on that.
I would highly advise retaking the ACT or SAT though. It seems she could easily focus on the Math and get that a bit higher and Clemson will superscore meaning they take the best from each section no matter when it was taken. How many AP(passed the test) courses does she have? how competitive is the HS/history of student being accepted to Clemson doing well? -- this gets ignored by a lot of folks but it is extremely important in Clemson's admissions modeling.
We did not push the donor/legacy angle other than what it asked our kid on the app. I would advise against it. Your kid may not feel great about that later or someone may find out about the special treatment. I'd be shocked if she doesn't have a means in based on credentials even if bridge and if not, we know plenty of friends kids who were denied. They just went to another school, did well FR year and transferred to Clemson for Sophomore year with a GPA that counts vs bridge - either works.
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Re: All she wants to be is a Clemson Tiger.
Jun 26, 2025, 5:42 PM
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Bridging actually IS getting into Clemson.
My daughter and two of her bridesmaids were bridge students, and all graduated in the standard four years. Their diplomas look the same as the other bridesmaid who started out in the honors program, down to the detail that they all graduated "Magna." They all completed their Masters the following year.
The three who bridged were all education majors, and they discovered that Tri County had a phenomenal math instructor for their majors, much better than the grad assistant who taught the sophomore math course. And they had better freshman housing than the honors student.
The bridge program is actually a win/win as it provides Clemson with additional classroom space and qualified instructors about the same distance from campus as most students will live the other three years.
If she truly wants to be a Tiger, she will take any admission that she is offered.
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The Major choice is key
Jun 26, 2025, 8:35 PM
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I think you will find it all comes down to her major choice so choose wisely. For example, choose engineering or nursing there probably not. Choose education where SC needs teachers and a much higher percentage get in. Business college has so many applicants that may be tough too. Nothing wrong with Bridge either as so many things are like Clemson in year one then you are fully Clemson after. Really research her major choice and pools of applicants in each. Some are much more competitive than others.
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