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Orange Blooded [2929]
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ADHD is a cop-out for poor character
Apr 15, 2014, 11:24 AM
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A close friend works in the public school system and kids with ADD or ADHD are given IEPS (individual education plans) that almost make them untouchable by normal forms of discipline.
What would get a "normal" kid suspended, would be a slap on the wrist for a kid with an IEP.
Case in point, this type of coddling does nothing for character development so most of these kids continue a pattern of bad behavior.
CK was given plenty of chances but he blew it. Plain and Simple.
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There's only one thing to do.
Apr 15, 2014, 11:27 AM
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Change the laws to respect ADHD so that when our daughters get Winstoned the ADHD patients won't go to jail.
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Re: ADHD is a cop-out for poor character
Apr 15, 2014, 11:28 AM
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I have ADHD and have very poor character, so this is absolutely false.
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You are wrong,...and right in a way.
Apr 15, 2014, 11:29 AM
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ADD is real, but it is used as a cop-out many times.
ADD/ADHD is misdiagnosed in many kids or they just don't have a severe case; and becomes a crutch for laziness and bad behavior.
But, make no doubt, ADD is a real thing...I have it and have worked with kids that have it that absolutely cannot function unless medicated.
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Orange Blooded [2929]
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Re: You are wrong,...and right in a way.
Apr 15, 2014, 11:35 AM
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I didn't say it wasn't real. I just think society is increasingly using it as an excuse for bad behavior and poor character.
We all have our issues but part of the maturation process of becoming an adult is to rise above our basic personality type and inclinations.
Chad Kelly isn't there yet, obviously.
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Re: You are wrong,...and right in a way.
Apr 15, 2014, 11:37 AM
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obviously
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Legend [19800]
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Kelly made "A Dumb Headed Decision" !
Apr 15, 2014, 11:32 AM
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Now he is gone. End of story.
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Rock Defender [54]
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While there is some merit to your post, I would encourage
Apr 15, 2014, 11:34 AM
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you to learn more about ADD/ADHD. It is a real issue/condition and is not an excuse for anything. Schools have a way that they are required to deal with medical issues affecting children. Agree with how it's done or not...that's up to you.
But do learn more and spend time around kids with this issue. I would imagine that if you had a child affected by ADD/ADHD you wouldn't be associating the condition with "cop-out" for poor character.
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CU Medallion [59290]
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I believe it is real. I am also confident that it is often
Apr 15, 2014, 11:40 AM
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used as an excuse for bad behavior. Just based on my experience.
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CU Medallion [59290]
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Walter Williams once said, "I had ADHD when I was a kid,
Apr 15, 2014, 11:34 AM
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and my momma had the cure!"
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Re: Walter Williams once said, "I had ADHD when I was a kid,
Apr 15, 2014, 2:36 PM
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Like that, but what's not to like about the wisest man on the planet, Walter Williams?
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110%er [6134]
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And they also used to rope kids to their chairs in school
Apr 15, 2014, 9:27 PM
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back when Mr Williams was a child. I certainly hope that a man of his intellect can recognize that people with adHd often have other cognitive deficits or symptoms matching many of the autism spectrum disorders.
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You SOB, you owe a lot of people apologies
Apr 15, 2014, 11:53 AM
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for that remark.
My son has ADHD and is a person with the highest character. He has ALWAYS been held to the same standards as any of his peers.
You can start with him as you start apologizing.
I'd also suggest you get EDUCATED on ADHD since you IGNORANCE is so apparent.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Obi the posters are using ignorance as a reason to justify
Apr 15, 2014, 12:20 PM
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insensitivity.
Or they are plain dumb rednecks.
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Oculus Spirit [92228]
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Dang..I didn't mean to start a war when I mentioned ADHD but
Apr 15, 2014, 12:44 PM
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it appears it has sparked some conversation (good & bad) about a mental condition that I'm dealing with in a big way now..costing $150 hour for professional help due to my Impulsivity, Inability to Concentrate OR even start needed projects that could be life or death in the long run. Terrible!
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That's AIDS, bro.***
Apr 15, 2014, 1:03 PM
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Yes he did. Why don't you mind your own business?
Apr 15, 2014, 12:58 PM
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No, he didn't..."MYOB" on a public forum, lmao.***
Apr 15, 2014, 1:00 PM
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It could be reworded, however, I agree it is often used as a
Apr 15, 2014, 1:04 PM
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cop out.
Some people will use any diagnosis or misdiagnosis as a "crutch" or an excuse. We've all seen it first hand....
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You really should calm down and try to comprehend.
Apr 15, 2014, 3:05 PM
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I've had experience and I'm sure you've experienced people that will use anything and everything as an "excuse" for what they are or what they've done, etc. instead of taking responsibility for themselves.
I know for a fact I've seen quite a few people blame it on ADD/ADHD and the majority of them haven't even been formally diagnosed.
I liken it to blaming others for your actions, or being fat because of bad genetics, etc.
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Where is this "Chad Kelly has ADHD" stuff coming from???***
Apr 15, 2014, 1:05 PM
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Oculus Spirit [82288]
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lBb***
Apr 15, 2014, 1:05 PM
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Huh? ******
Apr 15, 2014, 1:42 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97291]
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LiGhTbUlBbIlL***
Apr 15, 2014, 1:43 PM
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Ha. And he made it up. Got it. ******
Apr 15, 2014, 2:24 PM
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Re: ADHD is a cop-out for poor character
Apr 15, 2014, 1:10 PM
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You are obviously uninformed on a medical condition, and you are being a total sterotypical troll that has proved to be nothing more than moronic.
To say that ADHD diagnosed children (We are talking about kids, dude) use their diagnosis as a "cop-out" for having a poor character is basically the same thing as placing negative stigma on a child who can't partcipate in high school PE because they are in a wheel chair.
If you are going to place negative stigma on anyone, it should be the educational system. If you were intelligent and informed, and not an insensitive troll who probably can't "rise to the occassion" for his lady at home and is struggling to make ends meet daily from 9-5. You would be smart enough to criticize the educational system for not reforming their programs so these kids can be more disciplined later on in their lives. However, it is flat out unethical to claim they use their medical condition as a "crutch" to get by, when they can't help what are legitimate symptoms.
I have ADHD myself, and it's probably the reason i feel "impulsive" to write you this rant. But people like myself have to work a whole heck of a lot harder than people with "normal" cognitive development. I sat in those classrooms throughout high school that are responsible for adhd students lacking discipline compared to "normal" students.
Now i'm about to earn my degree from Clemson, which requires ambitious focus and production. It's booger eaters like you in the world that makes our success above and beyond even greater.
*drops mic*
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Re: ADHD is a cop-out for poor character
Apr 15, 2014, 1:19 PM
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You know, I feel for any
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Here, here!! I for one salute what you have done. Believe me
Apr 15, 2014, 1:25 PM
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I understand how hard it has been for you to achieve your education. Oh, and on the poor character issue others have mentioned, my son (ADHD) is a policeman and has two citations form the state of SC for saving two individual's lives. How's that for character?
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Re: Here, here!! I for one salute what you have done. Believe me
Apr 15, 2014, 1:32 PM
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Exactly, ObiWan!
The truth is ADHD patients just think differently than the majority. We are honestly good people, and have lots of positives to offer to the world (like your son, and his police work, thats awesome!!) We are often more creative and intuitive too.
Since your name is obiwan, i will hit you with this food for thought.
ADHD people are the members of society who would be labled as Jedi's or "force sensitive".
But anyways, i'm going to cash in on my ADHD "crutch" and get back to studying for finals. My "undisciplined" time here on tigernet has come to a close.
May the force be with you, always.
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I don't know
Apr 15, 2014, 1:19 PM
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There seem to be a lot of studies that prove
Holy $h!t a squirrel, look at it.
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Orange Blooded [2527]
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ADD/ADHD is a cop-out for lazy teachers who don't want to
Apr 15, 2014, 1:27 PM
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do anything out of the ordinary for kids with a bit of energy.
Sadly, this is prevalent in private schools.
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Rock Defender [54]
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and Cancer is a cop-out for lazy doctors who don't want to
Apr 15, 2014, 1:34 PM
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work hard to address real issues in patients.
Sounds about as stupid as your post.
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What a terrible analogy
Apr 15, 2014, 1:40 PM
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People are being too sensitive in this thread.
As someone with ADHD, I don't feel offended by anything said by the OP. He's right, ADHD is constantly used as excuse for poor behavior.
ADHD might prevent me from cleaning my room or doing my home work. It might lead me to be quick to anger.
But ADHD doesn't prevent me from knowing right from wrong.
Worst of all, people associate ADHD with bad behavior. That means there are a lot of good kids who go trough school without getting the treatment they need because they know how to behave.
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Orange Blooded [3521]
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Ugh.....the OP didn't say behavior..... he said CHARACTER
Apr 15, 2014, 1:49 PM
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There is difference you know. If there isn't, I guess you have poor character too since you say you have been diagnosed with ADHD.
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Oculus Spirit [82288]
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The OP said "ADHD is a cop-out for poor character"
Apr 15, 2014, 1:52 PM
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He isn't saying all people with ADHD have bad character. He also isn't saying all people with poor character have ADHD.
I swear people need reading comprehension lessons before they get magically offended on a public forum.
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Re: The OP said "ADHD is a cop-out for poor character"
Apr 15, 2014, 1:56 PM
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Exactly. It's amazing people can't see the distinction.
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Re: The OP said "ADHD is a cop-out for poor character"
Apr 15, 2014, 2:05 PM
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Thanks soccerkrzy. That's exactly what I meant. In hindsight, my wording could have been better.
What I basically am trying to say is that there are SOME kids who have ADHD and also have severe behavior problems, and our society says "well that's okay, you just have ADHD."
For instance, if a kid with ADHD got into a fistfight, his discipline would be handled differently at school than a kid without ADHD.
Does anyone really believe that is fair? Does ADHD excuse consistently bad behavior, which is often a sign of poor character?
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I think we are on the same page here
Apr 15, 2014, 1:50 PM
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He says it is a cop-out for poor character.
Your character is poor because you have ADHD. You agree with that?
I agree the condition has nothing to do with people's ability to tell right from wrong. And I have no idea why this subject is even tied to Chad Kelly.
But many in this thread actually think ADHD is not real...it's only an excuse for poor behavior and/or bad parenting. That's stupid.
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Oculus Spirit [92228]
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Let it be known I DIDN'T Say Kelley had ADHD, but had some
Apr 15, 2014, 2:02 PM
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symptoms imo that might cause one (a learned or professional one) to think he may..especially to the recent/past issues with his "impulsivity" tendencies..as on public forums or towards his coaches when upset. But, many of us say OR do things OR get upset under duress and it's not ADHD that's necessarily talking.
My bad for starting this possibility..but again maybe it's a learning lesson for some of us that didn't know what some of us go through with ADHD..as I do & I have.
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Orange Blooded [3521]
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Not to worry. You didn't say "some use ADHD as an excuse for
Apr 15, 2014, 2:07 PM
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poor character".
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We're discussing ADHD, not Tourettes at the moment.***
Apr 15, 2014, 2:34 PM
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S H I T when can we discuss that?!
Apr 15, 2014, 2:38 PM
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The kids are probably in private school because they could
Apr 15, 2014, 7:38 PM
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not function in public school or the parents got so frustrated with the public schools inability to teach their child, they tried private school.
I'm sure there are lazy teachers, however I believe most of them do not have the proper training, education or resources to handle ADHD children. 23 normal students is A lot. 21 normal students and 2 ADHD students is impossible to manage appropriately.
And if anyone is a non believer in ADD or ADHD, your hell should be having to raise an ADHD child... Forever.
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Their medicine doesn't work?***
Apr 15, 2014, 7:59 PM
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Medicine MAY help, it is certainly no cure and some medicine
Apr 15, 2014, 9:04 PM
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causes a whole other set of problems
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This is disgusting. I hope you're kicked out of Clemson.***
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Re: ADHD is a cop-out for poor character
Apr 15, 2014, 8:27 PM
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You my friend are an idiot for making that generalization.
P.S. Chad deserved it
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