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Paw Warrior [5016]
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ACC Network value in TX and CA
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:57 PM
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This might be the determining factor in negotiations.
ESPN has carriage agreements with Comcast’s Xfinity, Cox, DIRECTV, DIRECTV STREAM, DISH Network, Frontier, fuboTV, Google Fiber, Hulu+ Live TV, Mediacom, Optimum, Sling TV, Spectrum TV, Suddenlink, Verizon Fios, YouTube TV, members of the NCTC, NRTC and Vivicast, among others.
With the ACC getting a higher rate for states with member institutions, these additions could be very lucrative.
Tier #1 rights represent the 72 million in estimated revenue.
With 3x (Texas) and 4x (California) the population of every ACC state outside of NY/FL (2x) and the west coast timeslot what could they bring in?
It will not make up the difference between the SEC/B1G, however it has to move the needle to make smart people consider it this long.
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Gridiron Giant [15427]
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
Aug 25, 2023, 1:02 PM
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I do love the fact that the ACC will plant their flag in Texas (SEC and Big 12 recruiting territory)- Just to tick the Big 12 talking heads off. The Big 12 has no network also.
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Offensive Star [324]
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
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Aug 25, 2023, 2:37 PM
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I know I dont represent all Texans, and my view may be different than most, but I have lived in San Antonio since I was in middle school (not counting college) and I cant remember ever seeing someone in SMU gear. Getting the ACC network mandated in Texas because of SMU, may be the Grandest Heist ever pulled. The thought of it just makes me chuckle. This is probably why college football is headed for the trash heap. SMU carries Texas like a rural high school carries SC. Just incredible.
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Paw Warrior [5016]
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
Aug 25, 2023, 2:45 PM
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Even if we are only talking Dallas /Ft Worth it still has a larger population than South Carolina. Does everyone who watches ESPN watch all 20+ other channels they are paying for through Disney?
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Offensive Star [324]
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
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Aug 25, 2023, 3:28 PM
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I dont know the television watching habits of other people. However, according to SMU’s website, there are 60,000 alumni in the DFW area. So there are probably 60,128 SMU fans in the DFW area. People in Texas grow up being Texas fans, A&M fans, maybe Tech fans. Nobody grows up being fans of a tiny private school unless they know someeone who went there. Just my opinion.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
Aug 25, 2023, 3:33 PM
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They don't have to carry Texas. If, just hypothetically, the ACCN is already carried in Texas (or some areas), those customers already receiving the ACCN would pay a higher fee, due to the area now being in the conference footprint.
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Rival Killer [2964]
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A&E/ACC
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Aug 25, 2023, 2:58 PM
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Comcast Xfinity does not offer the ACC network in the Bay Area. That’s the first thing that will need to change. I called every year up until a couple of years ago to see if the ACC network was available yet. The rep I spoke with the last time, who I think was in Sri Lanka, said “you’ve got A&E, why do you need ACC?”
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Legend [6953]
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I mean A&E does have "Hoarders" and "Intervention"
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Aug 25, 2023, 3:12 PM
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reminds me of ACC as well.
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Head Coach [903]
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
Aug 25, 2023, 3:34 PM
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An article posted by the writer in NC a week or more ago said it adds $100 million to the ACCN. He had also estimated ESPN would have to pay an extra $100 million if CalStan and SMU were added. He was pretty close to correct on that, as I think the latest numbers I have heard are closer to that than the $72 million that had been reported the last couple days. I think the $72 million is after CalStan take smaller shares of ~$15 million each.
It seems to me that if this goes through, Clemson will get an extra $7.5 - $10 million (as will every school except CalStan and SMU) AND there will be a performance pool that will pay some pretty big money for making the CFP or making deep runs into the NCAAT. I'm going to take a wild guess, with no foundation whatsoever, not even a post by "Gary", that could be another $10 million. That goes a long way toward closing the gap if it is accurate. Won't bridge it, but closes it.
Also, everyone needs to remember the existing contract goes up over time even if nothing happens with CalStanSMU. I think I read some months ago the payout will be something like $50 million in or about 2029. And maybe by then everything blows up anyway and it all becomes a baby NFL, at least for football, with reasonable "divisions".
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
Aug 25, 2023, 4:16 PM
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The best way to settle the gap for Clemson is find a new home within the SEC or the BIG, P E R I O D! ! !
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Paw Warrior [5016]
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
Aug 25, 2023, 4:34 PM
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Let’s just say that to get out of the ACC and GOR Clemson is looking at $35(low by estimates) million a year. That means you join the SEC and make $80M but only keep $45M until 2036.
What if instead the ACC gets a new deal with the west coast teams and adds $10M to the existing $40M a year. So we are making $50M until 2030 when we can likely get out for a greatly reduced fee. At that point we could make $80M with the SEC and only pay the ACC $20M until 2036.
So you would prefer to give up $120 million in revenue just to get out now?
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Game Changer [2038]
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
Aug 25, 2023, 4:49 PM
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There you go thinking lol I actually agree and it sucks but we are stuck for now… and honestly big picture I don’t think it affects Clemson as much as ppl like to cry about … yea money diff is huge but what are those teams doing with it… we have and still will continue to be able to compete with anyone in the country as far as recruiting which is what it’s about. Especially with the playoff goin to 12, I do think this deal will and should get shot down unless there is an unequal sharing agreement, that to me is the biggest issues with the current model
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Re: ACC Network value in TX and CA
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Aug 25, 2023, 5:23 PM
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It's not about population numbers when it comes to sports broadcasts. It's about eyes on the tv watching a game. Locally, not many eyes give a sh!t about watching those three teams and nationally NO ONE gives a sh!t. That's why they are on the outside begging to join the ACC.
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110%er [4060]
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What about a ACC team swap - CU-4-SMU, FSU-4-CalStan?
Aug 25, 2023, 5:47 PM
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It does seem the ADDED VIEWERSHIP in Texas and California could make a case for SMU & CalStan REPLACING Clemson & FSU would be an IDEAL WIN-WIN situation for ALL involved…
Clemson & FSU get to LEAVE the ACC.
SMU & CalStan find NEW CONFERENCE to play in.
ESPN INCREASES viewership for the ACC.
ACC maintains their number of conference teams.
ACC gets some more money for the conference teams.
This seems like a scenario that ESPN and the ACC could go for?
What am I missing here?
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110%er [3677]
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I live in Texas. SMU's value isn't TV eyeballs
Aug 25, 2023, 6:01 PM
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SMU has a very small general fan base here. They do have some high-dollar boosters who will apparently keep their football program afloat for several years while they get zero TV revenue from the ACC.
What they bring to the table is home games in the Dallas area.
In other words, increased local visibility and recruiting opportunities. Targeted local recruits will love to come watch us blow out the Mustangs in Dallas.
IMO, SMU joining the ACC is far more "valuable" to Clemson than Stanford and Cal.
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