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AAC Perceptions
Jun 5, 2021, 11:03 AM
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There have been comments made about the AAC being better than the ACC since the CFP started. I have proven that not to be true. Now I see where the creator of the S&P+ is knocking our schedule and says:
"ESPN analyst Bill Connelly took to Twitter to breakdown the 2021 Clemson football schedule and he wasn’t impressed with what he saw. Connelly pointed out that the Tigers only face one *projected* top-40 team and that AAC teams will face more than that."
His pick of his top 40 is suspect, and if we look at his top 50, or any other cutoff point, it favors the tigers!
Clemson opponents rank S&P+
Georgia at 6
Pitt at 43
NCST at 45
Louisville 47
GaTech at 48
FSU at 61
BC at 62
Wake at 64
Coots at 90
So, Clemson plays 5 teams ranked in top 50 of his own ratings
Other ACC team rank S&P+
Miami at 8
UNC at 10
Va Tech at 36
Virginia at 55
So, there are 7 teams ranked in his top 50 from the ACC, 12 teams in top 70
AAC teams rank S&P+
Cincinnati at 15
UCF at 38
Memphis at 53
Tulsa at 55
SMU at 65
Tulane at 67
Houston at 69
ECU at 91
Navy at 100
USF at 104
Temple at 119
So, there are 2 AAC teams ranked in his top 50, 7 in top 70
The best team in AAC, Cincinnati, schedule:
Miami redhawks
Murray st
Indiana at 27
ND at 25
Temple at 119
UCF at 38
Navy at 100
Tulane at 67
USF at 104
SMU at 65
ECU at 91
That is three teams in the top 50 of his ratings!
Can we please stop this AAC is better than the ACC nonsense?
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ACC went 0-6 in bowl games last year
Jun 5, 2021, 11:54 AM
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I like the ACC. I’ve long said I wish UGA was in the ACC for a number of reasons, both athletically and academically.
But, the ACC just can’t go 0-6 in bowl games and not expect to be scrutinized.
That cannot happens.
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Bowls Don't Matter to ACC Teams
Jun 8, 2021, 11:38 PM
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At least that was the mantra for SEC teams
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 5, 2021, 12:29 PM
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Since 2015, the AAC is 5-5 in Bowl Games vs the ACC. So yeah, I'd say they're not better.
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 5, 2021, 9:32 PM
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Nice try at fake news! Here are the totals for your time frame...notice the rank in their conference after each team when they played...
2015
Houston (tie 1) over Fla St (tie 3)
Navy (tie for 1) over Pitt (5)
VaTech (8) over Tulsa (7)
2016
Wake (9) over Tulsa (7)
2017
Navy (tie 4) over VA (tie 9)
FSU (tie 9) over SMU (tie 4)
2018
Cin (2) over VaTech (tie 7)
Duke (tie 10) over Temple (4)
Wake (tie 10) over Memphis (4)
2019
Cin (2) over BC (tie 6)
UNC (tie 7) over Temple (6)
So, the total is 6-5 ACC over AAC, and it was the poorer ACC teams playing the higher ranked AAC teams.When I look at those results, it is obvious that the ACC is a much stronger league than the AAC.
See how you people continue to put out false information to make it look like the AAC is better? It is because of your built in bias against the ACC.
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 6, 2021, 2:57 PM
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You are just wrong.
First of all, in 2016, Wake Beat Temple - not Tulsa. But yeah, it was a win.
In 2017, FSU did not play SMU - they played Southern Miss in the Independence Bowl. Southern Miss is not in the AAC - they are in C-USA.
The 5-5 bowl record is correct.
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 6, 2021, 11:44 PM
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OK, you got me. But 5-5 with most of the teams in the AAC being higher ranked in their conference, Vs the ACC lower ranked teams is still an indicator of strength. The good ACC teams were playing in higher ranked bowls...and the ones selected for the lower ranked bowls with the AAC were poor excuses for ACC teams...One 3rd ranked ACC team, one 5th ranked, 3 7th ranked, 1 8th ranked, 2 9th ranked and 2 10th ranked teams, VS AAC 3 1st ranked teams, 2 2nd ranked teams, 3 4th ranked teams, 1 6th, and 1 7th.
Yes, that is right...when I typed Tulsa instead of Temple, that year, Temple was #1 in the AAC, and the number 9 team from the ACC (Wake) beat them! Thak you for pointing that out and making may case even better!
To make it easier for UGA guys...the ACC had two teams ranked higher than 7th, playing the AAC with 9 teams ranked higher than 7th! So, our poorest teams have a 5-5 record against their good teams!
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 7, 2021, 12:23 AM
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No problem.
And yeah, I get the ACC teams were lower ranked in conf, but this is the AAC we're talking about. I mean it's the same way in the SEC. But the SEC was still 4-2 in bowls vs the AAC. The other thing is that of the ACC's 5 bowl losses vs AAC, 4 of them were blowouts (Pitt, FSU, UVA & BC). By contrast, both of the SEC's losses were by one score, one being to Central Florida the year they went undefeated and made a claim - albeit dubious - to the National Championship, and the other was in overtime by a 6-7 South Carolina team who was next to last in the division against South Florida who tied for first in theirs (and blasted Syracuse in the Carrier Dome earlier that year, btw).
It just wasn't a good look.
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 8, 2021, 11:01 AM
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OK, to close this out... since 2015, the ACC is 24 and 18 against the American conference, including the bowl games.
And your SEC teams in bowls were not the lower ranked against the higher ranked AAC, you had one of your 1st place teams lose!
2020 GA (3) over Cincy (1) by 3 points
2020 Miss (10) over Tulsa (2) by 2
2018 LSU (3) over Tulsa (1) by 8
2017 UCF (1) over Auburn (1)
2016 USF (1) over coots (9)
2015 Auburn (10) over Memphis (5)
Until last year, the SEC was 2-2 against the AAC, with your tied for #1 Auburn team getting beat by UCF! And then last year, you barely beat the two teams you played with Georgia playing at "home" in Atlanta, and Ole Miss playing in SEC country Texas!
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 8, 2021, 11:48 AM
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Congratulations on that 24-18 record against the AAC. A 57% winning percentage vs a G5 is quite the accomplishment. But a couple of points:
1) Auburn was NOT the #1 SEC team. They lost in the SEC-C, while UCF won the AAC-C. It was 1 v 2.
2) Ole Miss did not play an AAC team last year in a bowl, they beat Indiana in the Outback Bowl. I believe you are thinking of Mississippi St, who played Tulsa in the Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth Tx. And Tulsa is closer to Ft Worth than Starkville, MS
Please, if you are going to accuse me of "Fake News" at least make a point to be accurate.
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 9, 2021, 12:42 PM
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The nickname of Ole Miss vs Miss st got me....
The point is that you cited bowl games to say that the AAC was equal, or not worse...so I cited all games to prove you wrong.
When you look at the end of year conference ranks, the championship games are not included...Auburn was tied for first in the conference rankings...And I did say tied for first, not "first" as you said I said....please be accurate in your criticism.
Texas A&M makes Texas an SEC state, more than Houston makes Texas an AAC state. And I did not say Miss St was closer, so that is a moot point you made. The coots are closer to Jacksonville than the Hurricanes...but who would be considered playing in the "home" crowd if they played in the Gator Bowl? Notice you did not say anything about your school (bullpups), playing in Atlanta to get that 3 point win over Cincy!
So, from 2015 to 2019, the SEC was 2-2 against the AAC in bowl games. Using your own logic, then at that time the AAC was at least equal to the SEC during those years, right? And it took the COVID season to allow the SEC to beat them last year (teams with more depth did better than teams with little depth, and since most SEC teams get more commits than the allotted 25 each year, , they have more depth. Georgia has 173 commits in last 7 years, while Clemson has 140...not only do you have to worry about the 25/year, but the 85 on roster...SEC teams don't worry about the 85, they just drop scholarships to those that aren't producing!)... I may like your argument here!
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 9, 2021, 1:12 PM
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LOL! If you think Texas is "SEC Country" then you have obviously not spent much time there - particularly Ft Worth.
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 9, 2021, 3:16 PM
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I did not say it was an SEC state...Please get your facts straight! I said it is more of an SEC state than an AAC State!!! Big difference! It is an big 12/8 state with those schools being dominant. BUT, If you polled the state, I am sure there are more SEC fans (Texas A&M, proximity to LSU, Arkansas) than there are AAC fans (Houston). That is what I am saying. I notice you had no comment on anything else I said, so we can consider my points as conclusive on those?
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 5, 2021, 10:31 PM
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Look - in order for this fool to continue ranking all SEC schools in the Top 25 every year so that all their conference losses only help their SOS he has to dis some teams, mostly all but one ACC team.
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 6, 2021, 11:19 AM
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It's funny from the get go they put out press releases they wanted to be called "The American" and not AAC which would be confused with the ACC. They still are called the AAC more than not.
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 6, 2021, 5:36 PM
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Are these pre-season projections set in stone? How many pre-season national championships have the Bulldogs won in the last 40 years?
If each conference has a consistently dominant team, doesn't that make the other conference teams appear inferior?
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 6, 2021, 9:18 PM
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How many pre-season national championships have the Bulldogs won in the last 40 years?
I know you boys here at TigerNet love to convince yourselves that alternate realities are somehow true, but the answer to your question, of course, is not many. According to a consensus of football publications, we have never been "pre-season national champions":
http://preseason.stassen.com/consensus/![]() The index of all preseason consensus postings on this site. These are made from all of the college football preseason magazines, and available from 1993 onwards.
And according to the major polls, we've been pre-season #1 once. That was in 2008. Once ever:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_college_football_rankings
In total, we have been ranked in the pre-season top 5 a grand total of 6 times, yet we have finished in the top 5 12 times - twice as many.
I know we are your rivals, and you love to criticize us at every turn, and that's fine. But at least be accurate about it.
And I'm not directing this at you individually, Joe, rather the board as a whole.
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 6, 2021, 9:43 PM
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Joe is, “part of the whole.” One of the rare treasures of the world, as he is, Joe knows more about, well, everything more than anyone here. Seems to me, he made an obvious nod in the direction of, “UGA is a great recruiting program, but.....” You see, Joe doesn’t care about your thoughts, nor does anyone else on this board. Again, I ask you, “what does an arrogant troll on an opposing teams’ board expect to find?”
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 6, 2021, 11:33 PM
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I'm arrogant because I was suggesting the trash talk here at least be accurate? LOL!
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 7, 2021, 12:05 AM
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National Championships since 1981 in college football. CU-3, UGA-0!
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Re: AAC Perceptions
Jun 7, 2021, 12:49 AM
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Where did I say that?
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The fact that we even need to have a debate about this
Jun 9, 2021, 2:59 PM
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is bad enough for the ACC.
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