Re: 1st post.. Ill speak the truth.. you will disagree

ThornhillVillag · 2025-08-31T16:32:07.833Z

Here’s some points that will ruffle your feathers… I’m here to debate if you disagree bc it’s embarrassing to read some of the BS on these boards from people who must think they’re football experts. It’s so bad that I felt guilty to sign up… 1. Our defense was ELITE last night 2. Cade played good, not great last night 3. Our o-line played great last night with the exception of #50 Sadler 4. Garrett Riley called a good game hit me….

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Aug 31, 2025, 10:23 PM

RememberTheDanny said:

I agree with you in everything … almost. Even that part where I disagree, it’s not a strong disagreement.

This only occurred to me after I finally came down from my game time & post game emotionally roller coaster.

(*). CK2 has trouble passing over the arms of D-linemen when he stays in the pocket. Early last night, he had an over the middle throw swatted away like a bug. It went up around the LOS and fortunately fell to the ground. Thinking back on CK2 from last year, against very good DLs, our OL can often maintain pocket integrity. This is good. But …

The intact pocket gets pushed quickly back when we’re playing the very good opposing DLs. CK2 struggles to both see around the DL and (rightfully so) is concerned that his pass attempts over the middle will be deflected or knocked down … or up in the air. I’m going to back off a shred from my criticism of G.Riley for a moment; if his All-Preseason Senior QB can’t handle those throws, then he must design psss plays that go to the sidelines.

I’m going to throw a bit of shade on Coach Luke. I think that, when pass blocking, the Center and Guards are expected to push their DL blocking assignments outward to create throwing lanes for the QB.

Here is what I won’t know until after rewatching the game a few times: Did the OL, when maintaining a decent pocket, push the DTs away from the interior passing lanes? If so, then did CK2 either (1) have any over the middle routes which he could hit -or - (2) did CK2, for one resson(rattled?) or another (2) predisposed to looking outside (where he feels the most comfortable) seem to be the dominant decision factor?

(*). I realize that, not deep into Q1 (after LSU recognized that they could blitz with impunity), the ‘middle passing lanes’ were occupied by blitzing LBs / DBs; that made my afore noted observations superfluous.

Thank you for using your eyes. You are spot on brother. You see Cade running for his life and your brain instantly decides our OL is trash… but if you watch it again you’ll see EXACTLY what you’re talking about. A vast majority of the time there is a perfect pocket and the OL is literally doing their job perfectly. Then he takes off and rolls out and the DE just turns and chases and he waits til the last second to throw off his back foot and the DE lands on top of him and everyone runs to tigernet and says the OL is trash and Cade’s running for his life. What do you want them to do? Block the DE from the front and back? Thankfully Cade is actually pretty good at completing these type of on the run throws. Full disclaimer before I get called a coot and a troll and everything else from some of tnets morons… the OL is not perfect and sometimes they do lose battles and it is their fault for the pressure. If you rewatch the game you’ll see some of our best plays are when Cade steps up in the pocket. Thank you sir for not just rushing to negativity like most.

Ok, now I’m ready for the name calling…

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Given your melodramatic build up, I’m guessing you’re just clowning with your arguments, but just for fun…

1) D was good, much improved, not elite. Elite D would have gotten more middle pressure to force Nuss into off platform throws. Elite D would have adjusted more quickly to the screen and dump game they were playing. They dialed up one shot, we sacked them, and then they we went with outside runs, screens, quick game and dumps almost exclusively. We eventually stopped the outside runs but never stopped the short game even when that is *exactly* what we should have expected from them. Only thing I can think is that Allen just expected our supposedly all-American D-line to get better pressure against a new O-line. They didn’t. Good, but not elite.

2) Dabo watched the tape and said Cade was bad. Cade himself said he didn’t play well. You can argue with them, I’ll go with their assessments, which fit what I saw with my own eyes.

3) O-line got stoned in run blocking and looked overwhelmed late in pass protection. Dabo watched the tape and said O-line was bad. Again, I’ll go with my eyes and Dabo over your “expert” assessment. Also, either Cade was bad or the O-line was bad or both, but you can’t have it your way (both good) because Cade was under pressure the entire second half.

4) This is the hardest one to assess without knowing the play calls and having the All-22 film, so I can only make two points here. First, if Riley called a good game then either Cade or the O-line or both played *really* badly, enough to mess up good play calling because the on field results were awful, especially in the 2nd half. Second, Eric MacClain said the play calling was bad. Dabo wouldn’t have said it because he rarely criticizes his coaches in public, but MacClain is a Clemson man and he was upset.

In sum, your first point was decent but too extreme to support. Your remaining points were individually unsupported by the evidence and collectively impossible given the offensive performance. If you want to believe one O-lineman (50) and the loss of Antonio made ALL the difference because (according to you) Cade played good, O-line played great, and Riley called a good game, then I can’t help you.

1st post.. Ill speak the truth.. you will disagree