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Paw Master [16128]
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You guys realize Miami basketball got rid of their team...
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Mar 26, 2023, 6:13 PM
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between 1972 and 1985? They had only been to 6 NCAA Tourneys in their HISTORY until Jim Larranaga was hired. They play in front of a maximum home crowd of 7,600 people and are less funded than Clemson University. Don't dare tell me a good coach can't win unless he plays in front of 15K plus people and is paid $10 Million per year. Everything we have is nicer than Miami.
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Ok. Now compare the city of Clemson to the city of Miami
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Mar 26, 2023, 6:17 PM
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And tell me what the differences would be for 17-21 year old males.
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Re: Ok. Now compare the city of Clemson to the city of Miami
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Mar 26, 2023, 6:34 PM
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If your point is as strong as you believe then please explain Miami’s struggles before Larranaga? Oh, you can’t. Brad sucks. # firebrad
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If your point is as strong as you believe then please explain Miami’s struggles before Larranaga? Oh, you can’t. Brad sucks. # firebrad
And who do you recommend Clemson hire? I am curious. Please explain to me who you think, seriously, would drop whatever they were doing, wherever they may be, and come coach the Clemson Tigers in basketball. This must also be someone with a proven track record of winning, not just “program building.” I ask that it not be some assistant coach who has not ever been a head coach, be allowed in your application pool (because we don’t want to gamble here. We want to guarantee, as much as we can, vastly superior performance than what we and our Clemson fan ancestors have observed in the last 110+ years). This must also be someone who is most likely to stay, caveat being that Clemson is willing to pay the going rate to keep them. Who is the most likely person? Furthermore, define “success” at Clemson for this Coach. I kindly ask that you not resort to the “more than three NCAA Tournaments in 13 years” statement. What would success look like that would warrant: a.) this coach being willing to stay, b.) entice consistent, four star and occasional five star, high school talent to want to play, and now with the NIL garbage, remain at Clemson, c.) justify the increased salary level of this coach in order to retain them, and d.) how long does he get before you start running “fire so and so” avatars on this message board? Finally, how much, per year, would the initial accepted applicant have to be paid in order to make all this happen? Again, I ask that you not resort to the “well, so and so at Po Dunk U only makes xyz $, and look at them” standard, canned answer. Honest questions.
P.S. One other thing you may or may not have thought of before: why is it that we never have seemed to hear about coaches just chomping at the bit to come to Clemson or on the few occasions that Clemson has had runs of success with “good coaches,” why these “good coache seem to leave Clemson with sudden, rapid deportment at the first opportunity? And, if you know the answers to these questions, I’m sure you have already answered the several questions I posed above.
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If your point is as strong as you believe then please explain Miami’s struggles before Larranaga? Oh, you can’t. Brad sucks. # firebrad And who do you recommend Clemson hire? I am curious. Please explain to me who you think, seriously, would drop whatever they were doing, wherever they may be, and come coach the Clemson Tigers in basketball. This must also be someone with a proven track record of winning, not just “program building.” I ask that it not be some assistant coach who has not ever been a head coach, be allowed in your application pool (because we don’t want to gamble here. We want to guarantee, as much as we can, vastly superior performance than what we and our Clemson fan ancestors have observed in the last 110+ years). This must also be someone who is most likely to stay, caveat being that Clemson is willing to pay the going rate to keep them. Who is the most likely person? Furthermore, define “success” at Clemson for this Coach. I kindly ask that you not resort to the “more than three NCAA Tournaments in 13 years” statement. What would success look like that would warrant: a.) this coach being willing to stay, b.) entice consistent, four star and occasional five star, high school talent to want to play, and now with the NIL garbage, remain at Clemson, c.) justify the increased salary level of this coach in order to retain them, and d.) how long does he get before you start running “fire so and so” avatars on this message board? Finally, how much, per year, would the initial accepted applicant have to be paid in order to make all this happen? Again, I ask that you not resort to the “well, so and so at Po Dunk U only makes xyz $, and look at them” standard, canned answer. Honest questions. P.S. One other thing you may or may not have thought of before: why is it that we never have seemed to hear about coaches just chomping at the bit to come to Clemson or on the few occasions that Clemson has had runs of success with “good coaches,” why these “good coache seem to leave Clemson with sudden, rapid deportment at the first opportunity? And, if you know the answers to these questions, I’m sure you have already answered the several questions I posed above.
You're right. Let's sign this bum to a lifetime contract and stop wanting better for the program. Idiot.
Why so many parameters on your coaching search?
San Diego St - First time head coach, started his head coaching role in 2017. In those 6 years he's reached the NCAA tournament 4 times with one year not having a tourney due to Covid.
FAU - First time head coach, has his team in the final 4 in his 5th year.
It's apparent that Clemson is willing to invest in the basketball program. Little Joh recently being upgraded and plans for a 40 million $$ complex. No one on this site can tell me Clemson can't find a coach that can recruit and make in game adjustments when needed. Hanging on to a guy for what will be year 14 just because is ludicrous.
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Mar 27, 2023, 1:41 PM
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If your point is as strong as you believe then please explain Miami’s struggles before Larranaga? Oh, you can’t. Brad sucks. # firebrad And who do you recommend Clemson hire? I am curious. Please explain to me who you think, seriously, would drop whatever they were doing, wherever they may be, and come coach the Clemson Tigers in basketball. This must also be someone with a proven track record of winning, not just “program building.” I ask that it not be some assistant coach who has not ever been a head coach, be allowed in your application pool (because we don’t want to gamble here. We want to guarantee, as much as we can, vastly superior performance than what we and our Clemson fan ancestors have observed in the last 110+ years). This must also be someone who is most likely to stay, caveat being that Clemson is willing to pay the going rate to keep them. Who is the most likely person? Furthermore, define “success” at Clemson for this Coach. I kindly ask that you not resort to the “more than three NCAA Tournaments in 13 years” statement. What would success look like that would warrant: a.) this coach being willing to stay, b.) entice consistent, four star and occasional five star, high school talent to want to play, and now with the NIL garbage, remain at Clemson, c.) justify the increased salary level of this coach in order to retain them, and d.) how long does he get before you start running “fire so and so” avatars on this message board? Finally, how much, per year, would the initial accepted applicant have to be paid in order to make all this happen? Again, I ask that you not resort to the “well, so and so at Po Dunk U only makes xyz $, and look at them” standard, canned answer. Honest questions. P.S. One other thing you may or may not have thought of before: why is it that we never have seemed to hear about coaches just chomping at the bit to come to Clemson or on the few occasions that Clemson has had runs of success with “good coaches,” why these “good coache seem to leave Clemson with sudden, rapid deportment at the first opportunity? And, if you know the answers to these questions, I’m sure you have already answered the several questions I posed above. You're right. Let's sign this bum to a lifetime contract and stop wanting better for the program. Idiot. Why so many parameters on your coaching search? San Diego St - First time head coach, started his head coaching role in 2017. In those 6 years he's reached the NCAA tournament 4 times with one year not having a tourney due to Covid. FAU - First time head coach, has his team in the final 4 in his 5th year. It's apparent that Clemson is willing to invest in the basketball program. Little Joh recently being upgraded and plans for a 40 million $$ complex. No one on this site can tell me Clemson can't find a coach that can recruit and make in game adjustments when needed. Hanging on to a guy for what will be year 14 just because is ludicrous.
Don’t call me an idiot. If you can’t be civilized, then don’t interject yourself, sir. I notice that you didn’t answer any of those questions, but that’s ok because they were not posed to you. However, since you have, I’ll ask sort of what you asked me. Why do you have a problem with asking those questions? Why didn’t you try to answer. You mention the San Diego State gent. That’s good. What’s his yearly competition like? Remember, anyone who wins a Tournament goes? Does he play a schedule, consistently, as he would find here? Tell me, Mr. Pejorative hurler.
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Re: Ok. Now compare the city of Clemson to the city of Miami
Mar 27, 2023, 1:47 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but was one of the reasons cited for leaving Clemson out of the tournament a poor strength of schedule?
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Re: Ok. Now compare the city of Clemson to the city of Miami
Mar 27, 2023, 2:00 PM
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It was Clemson OOC schedule that was knocked, plus there was, unfairly (in my opinion) the idea the ACC was somehow bad or down. I disagree with that assessment. I think NET is dumb, just like RPI. Again, that’s just my opinion, though. However, even with “one and done,” as well as NIL, I’ll never be convinced that navigating the Mountain West yearly is nearly as foreboding or as challenging as the ACC. I don’t think a road game at San Jose State is quite the same level of difficulty as a road game at the Dean Dome or Cameron.
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Re: Ok. Now compare the city of Clemson to the city of Miami
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Mar 28, 2023, 7:20 AM
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As opposed to Loyola Chicago, South Carolina, Louisville?
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Re: Ok. Now compare the city of Clemson to the city of Miami
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Mar 26, 2023, 7:04 PM
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Then explain our rise in football? The coach makes the difference.
Columbia absolutely sucks and should not appeal to anyone and yet Beamer has drastically improved SC recruiting. The coaching staff makes more of a difference than the location.
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Re: Ok. Now compare the city of Clemson to the city of Miami
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Mar 26, 2023, 7:32 PM
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Then explain our rise in football? The coach makes the difference.
Columbia absolutely sucks and should not appeal to anyone and yet Beamer has drastically improved SC recruiting. The coaching staff makes more of a difference than the location.
Mustdump recruited decently in cola....
How'd he do?....
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Re: Ok. Now compare the city of Clemson to the city of Miami
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Why did we have 3 NCAA's and a NIT semi prior to CBB. Why did make it his first year? There are players that don't like the city, look at Clemson Football, players from Cali, Texas, FL and lots of ATL area guys. Don't even try to use our region as a Recruiting problem. How about use the coaching as a Recruiting problem. If you actually think that a good coach couldn't find 4-6 players a year that like a rural area then you are oblivious.
Iowa and Iowa St have better players/ teams than we do. Iowa City is not a big place and outside is mullions of acres of corn and soybeans. Ames Iowa isnt any better. That is just a quick example but it boils down to coaching. There isn't a better example than Dabo Swinney.
Woth the right coach, fans will come. Build it and they will come, os never truer than sports. Fans of Clemson deserve better than the product CBB had produced for 12yrs
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Miami Wimmenz Are Scuzzy...Clemson Gals Best in The World
Mar 27, 2023, 10:09 AM
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So Brad has that going for him too. Now if you have a hoops team that likes sausage parties and speedos then Miami is the place to be.
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The school is in Miami
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Mar 26, 2023, 6:19 PM
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South Beach trumps downtown Clemson. That is the difference.
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Re: The school is in Miami
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Mar 26, 2023, 6:36 PM
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As above - explain their struggles before Larranaga then? How is it possible, in your worldview, that Clemson had been to more NCAA tourneys? Playing sycophant to a millionaire is gross and undignified but, based on your Twitter, is in character.
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****Crickets****
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Mar 26, 2023, 7:32 PM
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So funny how they clam up with their excuses when they're questioned.
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Re: ****Crickets****
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Viztiz doesn’t “question excuses”.
He makes debasing statements about a supporter’s character and motivation.
He doesn’t trust his arguments to be persuasive enough, so he insults fellow Clemson fans and bullies them into silence.
If the day ever comes when I believe that Brownell needs to go, I will still support him out of sheer muleheadedness toward the bully/coward who calls himself Viztiz. I’ll stop being a Tigerfan before I agree with anything else that scumbag has to say.
I regret ever giving him any TUs.
Viztiz is a toxic presence on this board, even when he is factually correct.
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Re: ****Crickets****
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Have we met? Whatever level of toxicity I’ve brought has only been in reaction to Judge Keller and his cohorts. Until very recently my commentary was almost exclusively responding to his/their false assertions regarding Brownell. I have certainly stepped up my rhetoric in recent weeks but your assessment seems a little harsh for someone who I’ve had little interaction with. And the comment inspiring such a reaction is in response to someone who calls Clemson fans “sh*t”, “lunatic fringe”, and tells us to stop “snorting Coke” in virtually every post. Yet I’m the toxic presence?
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Paw Master [16128]
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Don't worry about that trash...They are clueless
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And welcome to being accepting of garbage coaching. They are the same ones that wanted to keep Tommy Bowden.
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What will you need to know that Brownell needs to go?!
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Does he have to kill someone or become a criminal? He is a horrible coach that has accomplished ZERO at Clemson. Irregardless of Viztiz, Brownlee needs to go and should have been fired 7 years ago.
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It's not viztiz's job to persuade you.
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If you need more persuasion to believe that not making the NCAA tournament is failure in mcbb, there is no help for you.
Do better.
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Pretty easy really. 1 man, 1 song did it all
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lutz, but yeah BrownL gotta go. He ain't bout to unleash the dragon.
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Funny the football program doesn't have an issue.***
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Re: The school is in Miami
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Have you ever actually been to Miami? It's a sunny, palm tree lined dump. Lots of houses with bars on windows or every thing you own could be stolen. UM is in Coral Gables which is nicer but it's certainly not on South Beach.
I've lived in Florida the majority of my adult life and avoid going to Miami at all costs. I lived 2002 in Ft. Lauderdale which is just above Miami in Broward county. Traffic is horrific and you better know Spanish. South Florida is super overrated.
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Paw Master [16128]
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These folks that make excuses haven't left SC***
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Their coach is better than ours, in my opinion, and we
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don't pay our basketball players nearly what Miami's are paid.
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Why do you and some others keep beating a dead horse? Our BB coach has an extension so why don't you get off of it and post about something less irritating.We won 23 games and lost in NIT.Look at the higher ranked teams that lost to lesser opponents.Wait until next season and then start barking because you are now howling in the wind.
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Re: You guys realize Miami basketball got rid of their team...
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#firebrad #firebradbrownell
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You guys realize that Miami is paying its starting guards
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$1.6M to play this season. I agree we should be much better at basketball but comparing us to Miami is not a good argument. What they have that we don't is a billionaire booster who bought them a roster.
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Re: You guys realize that Miami is paying its starting guards
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We’d have plenty of money for NIL if we weren’t paying our head coach more than 7 of 8 coaches in the Elite Eight. Over a million more than most of them. $40 millions ops center could buy a lot of NIL instead,
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Universities can't directly pay NIL so, no once again
Mar 26, 2023, 7:17 PM
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You're wrong.
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Re: Universities can't directly pay NIL so, no once again
Mar 26, 2023, 7:19 PM
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Non-profits can donate to non- profits as they see fit. Just stop simping for Brownell.
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There's no point in evene arguing with you because you're
Mar 26, 2023, 7:26 PM
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Too stupid, too ill-informed, or both to understand how it works. I'm not gonna waste my time; go Google the NIL rules and educate yourself. Once again, and for the last time, I support our AD and have never advocated for Brownell. I'm willing to give the new AD, who hasn't been in charge for 13 years, the benefit of the doubt right now. But most of all I'm dayum tired of the ground hog day remake that tnet has become.
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Re: There's no point in evene arguing with you because
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I’m well aware of NIL rules and I’m not going to waste the time or energy to explain the nuance either. If you don’t think Clemson can compete in the current landscape - you shouldn’t even bother being here. There are ways around NIL rules. Lots of ways. Some schools, like Miami and Texas, aren’t even pretending to adhere to the rules. But, you can just keep being an apologist for Brownell while we shovel cash into a pit and not even attempt to be relevant. Apologizing for Neff is cover for Brownell, btw. You should be much more tired of the basketball Groundhog Day than the tnet one.
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I agree with you; it's much easier to buy a basketball team
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with only 5 starters and 13 full scholarships to give as opposed to 22 starters and 85 scholarships in football. We need some of you rich guys to buy us a basketball team if that's how you want to go about it in these semipro college days. Then we can get some one and dones and it won't have to be about education at all; just call them athletes instead of student-athletes.
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We bought a basketball team one time and a dayum good one !
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We were ahead of our time.
All it got us was three years of probation.
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Great call...They are so uneducated***
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we don't have Mr Lifewallet buying players for all of
Mar 26, 2023, 9:45 PM
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programs like Da U.
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We have PLENTY of Rich Alums that want
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a great BB program. Neff is the one that is satisfied with mediocrity.
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Re: You guys realize Miami basketball got rid of their team...
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Nil was not available then. They have two highly played players. Money talks
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Re: You guys realize Miami basketball got rid of their team...
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Miami paid 2.3 million in nil money. Are we supposed to be able to compete with that. And yet that team beat clemson by 4 points.
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I swore to myself I was going to stop posting on this site and try to maintain my Clemson love. But, still upset at Miami for Sunday and beating my boys. We had them, but blew it badly and then we hire that coach that pretty much blew it for us. Oh well, at least he can recruit.
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