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All-In [10446]
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Portal BS
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:10 PM
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Everybody is saying "Clemson needs to use the portal! Look at what Georgia and _________ and _________ have done with the portal!"
Nobody mentions all the other portal schools - like Florida State, UF, Colorado, etc. Yes, the portal has helped a lot of teams. But at the same time, there are many that it has NOT helped.
I tend to kinda trust the coach on this one. The portal is no magic bullet. In fact, it can create as many or more problems as it solves. It has it's uses, but we simply haven't needed it yet. Between recruiting and retention, Coach and the staff just don't see the need, and I'd agree with them.
If you are so dead set on the portal - who do we bench? And replace them with whom? And you're confident that this new transfer will be a positive difference maker from Day One - why?
Just my humble opinion....
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All-Pro [728]
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:12 PM
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There is a big difference in using the portal to build a team (I would consider that extremely risky or desperate) and fusing it to fill holes.
Two completely different discussions.
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Offensive Star [-99]
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:26 PM
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Agree 100%. You better be able to recruit well too
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Game Changer [1930]
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Luginbill raises a good point about tampering
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Sep 5, 2024, 2:15 PM
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It will be difficult to fill holes with top players without tampering, and I believe Dabo has thus far taken a pretty firm stand against going there.
It sounds as if *every* team landing these guys is tampering with impunity. Part of me says we have to get down in the mud with them, but a bigger part says basically to #### with this trash - if we have to sell out ethically to succeed, maybe I’ll be happier spending my fall Saturdays doing something productive.
Who believes anything will happen to clean this up?
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Game Changer [1930]
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Re: Luginbill raises a good point about tampering
Sep 5, 2024, 2:17 PM
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Ironically, CFB programs can lie, cheat, and bribe, but I can’t put “####” in a post, haha.
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Game Changer [1930]
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Rhymes with Pell
Sep 5, 2024, 2:19 PM
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Hope I don’t get banned for all this badness.
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Rival Killer [2867]
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:16 PM
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We compare to the ones we do because that’s how Clemson would/could use the portal. Great recruiting bolstered by a few portal guys. We aren’t in a position of wanting or needing to rebuild the whole team from the portal like an FSU or Colorado.
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:17 PM
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the portal is not a pan of sea ah. Just saying
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Rival Killer [2867]
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:26 PM
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No, for us it’s a pan of “see ya!”
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Orange Phenom [14602]
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Not using the portal is fine if you are developing the HS talent you recruit
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:21 PM
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We haven't been doing that at QB or WR and it is hurting us big time.
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Orange Phenom [14611]
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Free agents aren't free.***
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:51 PM
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TigerNet Elite [69785]
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Not by a d@mn site!!!
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:17 PM
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Mercenaries want to get paid. It is their primary, if not sole motivation.
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Rival Killer [2867]
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Re: Free agents aren't free.***
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Sep 4, 2024, 8:13 PM
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Winning isn’t cheap. Even when all the money is going to the coaching staff it’s still big bucks to field a winner.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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couple things........
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:11 PM
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#1. you mention "look at Colorado & FSU"........Colorado and FSU were better off using the portal last year. FSU went 13-0 and won the ACC before being left out of the playoffs b/c travis got hurt........so it helped them tremendously last year.
#2. NOBODY is advocating for Clemson to utilize the portal as a means of BUILDING a program, especially like Colorado.........Clemson doesn't need to do that. They need an infusion of 5ish players at key skill positions on offense
#3. If you DO NOT utilize the portal then you better have a 100% hit rate on your recruited HS talent AND continue to develop them and KEEP THEM.......................that HAS NOT HAPPENED AT CLEMSON
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Orange Elite [5354]
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Re: couple things........
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Sep 4, 2024, 8:09 PM
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If we don’t use the portal, development is key to who we do have. This is an issue and mainly due to the inexperienced assistant coaches. Great yes men, happy to have a job but .. no experience.
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1st Rounder [662]
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Re: couple things........
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Sep 5, 2024, 1:20 PM
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There is more to this than just player development. When you lose a veteran player to the portal and only have a freshman coming to replace him, the portal is a great way to replace that player and give the freshman a leader to learn from.
Poor player development and recruiting misses are other reasons to use the portal, as not every player will end up being as good as we had hoped. We have plenty of scholarships available, as we currently give friends and family of the coaches a scholarship, even if they will never see the field in any meaningful way. These scholarships could be used to fill critical depth chart gaps that will aid in winning of football games.
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Varsity [104]
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We sure develop a lot of guys for other teams
Sep 5, 2024, 1:27 PM
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14 transfers out since January.
The portal one-way street out of Clemson isn't sustainable.
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National Champion [7838]
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:14 PM
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This talking point is so tiring.
Nobody is arguing that we should be like FSU and Colorado. We are arguing that Clemson needs 2-4 players from the portal each cycle. Georgia had 2 portal WRs score TDs for them against us. How can we realistically compete with programs that recruit better than us and also utilize the portal?
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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It blows my mind that people cant understand this basic logic***
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:32 PM
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Tiger Titan [50702]
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These people defend Dabo at all costs.
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Sep 5, 2024, 1:01 PM
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At some point along the way, using the portal has become tantamount to cheating and abandoning our morals as a program.
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1st Rounder [662]
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Re: These people defend Dabo at all costs.
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Sep 5, 2024, 1:23 PM
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I wonder who planted that idea in their heads?
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Game Changer [1930]
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Tom Lugibill says that they are
Sep 5, 2024, 2:31 PM
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… cheating and compromising their morals. Unless tampering is not cheating. I believe it is, while at the same time believing no one is going to stop it.
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Offensive Star [317]
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 5, 2024, 7:12 AM
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It is tiring. The same crowd keeps posting about not using it but they reference flawed examples repeatedly. The majority actually see the light.
We lost Mukuba, Collins and Pride to the portal last year along with 6-7 others. The other guys probably wouldn’t have contributed but the 3 mentioned were going to be playing. We should at least be replacing those guys with some proven CFB talent from Group of 5 or lower level power 4 transfers. This is what top level programs other that Clemson do year in and year out.
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Tiger Titan [50702]
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Yes, and it's one reason why we are no longer a top level program.***
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Sep 5, 2024, 1:01 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [33955]
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Works both ways
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Sep 5, 2024, 1:30 PM
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Another sane crowd also references specific teams that use the portal and have been successful and not the ones that use the portal a lot and are not successful. Schools like South Carolina and Texas A&M also use the portal a lot and we see what it gets them. A&M has had the top or near the top portal classes the last 3 years and little to show for it but a big Fisher buyout.
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People have absolutely used FSU, Colorado, UGA, et-al as examples of the portal
Sep 5, 2024, 1:27 PM
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working. Well, until one or more of them lose, then they point our their opponent used the portal too, and use that as further proof their theory is correct. Maybe you haven't, but others have. And maybe they didn't say it needs to be used "exactly" like UGA, FSU and Colorado have used it, but the OP didn't suggest people said that either. And because they have been used as examples, rebuttals are fair. If the rebuttal does not pertain to your view then you should not have a reaction to it.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/florida-state-has-to-be-the-favorite-at-this-point.-35255224
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All-Conference [416]
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Use portal same as Free Agency
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:26 PM
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NFL teams do not use Free Agency to build a team.
In the same way, it is not wise to use the Portal to build a team.
Both can be used to fill a talent gap.
That is what most top tier teams have done, and we would be wise to do.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102381]
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Dabo has contacted guys in the portal but...
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:33 PM
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the best I can tell is that they want to talk money upfront. That's a nogo for Dabo.
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Varsity [104]
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They think that Dabo doesn't like portal players
Sep 5, 2024, 1:25 PM
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...because he openly doesn't like the portal.
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Hall of Famer [8291]
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Re: They think that Dabo doesn't like portal players
Sep 5, 2024, 2:26 PM
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lol why would he want someone who had no loyalty or that saw themselves as being above the rest of the team because they were a 'hired gun'? And nothing stops them from taking your money and leaving outright or taking the money and riding the pine like USuC had a guy do them last year - then the second the TP opened, he went straight to another team?
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Dynasty Maker [3584]
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Kinda seems the ones we have leave go back home.
Sep 4, 2024, 9:38 PM
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Maybe they just wanted to be closer to their mommers???
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 5, 2024, 12:53 PM
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Such a stupid take. All of Dabo's cult want to point to FSU and Colorado to disprove Dabo's philosophy. But those two schools have taken the position of bringing in 15-20 transfers every year and rebuild their team with them. That strategy will have no consistency in results and can lead to locker room troubles because you're rebuilding your entire locker room every year with unknown quantities.
But NO ONE is proposing we do that. Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Texas, LSU, Oregon, Oklahoma, Utah, etc. are ALL using the transfer portal. They look at their team, and if they spot a position that lacks depth or is weaker than the others, they look for players to fill those spots. We know we have weakness at wide receiver. Last year, there were a number of stars that entered the portal. We didn't look at any of them (and not all of them were already poached by a different school). That is what people are criticizing. This is not complicated.
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 5, 2024, 1:08 PM
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Every school except for Clemson uses the portal. There are no “portal schools”. There are coaches who do a good job of using it and those who do not. To not use the portal at all is just dumb in the current environment of D1 college football.
You don’t have to get your entire team from it, but you should use it fill gaps due to recruiting misses or to replace players who left your team for the portal. We are trying to replace 5* seniors with 3* freshman in some cases, which lets to a big drop in talent.
By not using the portal at all, we are handicapping ourselves, especially for early season games. Every other team in the country is using it and you could see the impact of players from the portal in just about every game last weekend. If the best is the expectation, the best player we can get should be on the team each year, including players who might not have played at Clemson the previous season.
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Ring of Honor [22709]
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Re: Portal BS
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Sep 5, 2024, 1:12 PM
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The gains from the portal do not seem to pan out for those who use it for wholesale changes. It does seem to provide value to good teams who are highly selective using a handful of players to supplement depth and talent gaps at certain positions.
BC QB looks to be one of those examples who BC probably did not have to overpay to get but who also provided great value to their program. Had we been able to sign those 3 linemen we offered last year, I think it would have done the same for us.
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Ring of Honor [23731]
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So F'in tired of this stupid argument.
Sep 5, 2024, 1:37 PM
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No one is saying load the whole roster with portal players, but we are talking about the other extreme here - taking NO ONE who starts.
I am nonplussed as to why we keep hearing this tired excuse for Dabo.
And to answer your question, if don't load the roster full of dozens of "projects" we wouldn't have the problem of who to sit.
I am sorry, but your argument is stupid. Results matter and right now we have lost the last 7 of 15 games and some of them very, very ugly (tenn, uga, DUKE).
But I agree with you some, it's more a poor roster management issue than a portal issue. Its just the portal can help you with some of your mismanagement (ie recruiting misses) if you let it.
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Paw Master [17544]
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SCAR is a liberal portal user
Sep 5, 2024, 2:18 PM
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and look where it has gotten them
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