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Rival Killer [2619]
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AR-15
Sep 5, 2024, 9:00 AM
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Without modifications such as a bump stock, an AR-15 can fire about 60 rounds a minute. A 30-round magazine is fairly standard. And we all know that a bump stock can increase that number dramatically.
A lot of us law abiding hard working church going Americans that do not own AR 15s wonder why somebody needs such a gun.
Could somebody on TiggerNet that owns or uses an AR 15 let us know the purpose for which you use these guns?
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Orange Blooded [2458]
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Re: AR-15
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Sep 5, 2024, 9:05 AM
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Ask the Indians
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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How familiar are you with firearms?
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Sep 5, 2024, 9:06 AM
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Because an AR-15 can fire just as many rounds as any other semi-auto firearm with detachable magazines. The AR-15 is a platform. It does not possess any special gun magic that makes it function differently than other semi-auto firearm.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Accessories don't change rate of fire.***
Sep 6, 2024, 8:32 PM
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: Accessories don't change rate of fire.***
Sep 8, 2024, 9:32 AM
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Except bump stocks, right?
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Sure.***
Sep 8, 2024, 9:39 AM
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Orange Blooded [2458]
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Re: AR-15
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Sep 5, 2024, 9:10 AM
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The point behind the 2nd amendment was to keep the people armed with weapons that could keep the government in check - period
Do some research
--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: AR-15
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Sep 5, 2024, 10:30 PM
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This major misinterpretation of the second amendment is like a venereal disease. Even some judges have caught it. The point of the second amendment was to keep the federal government from disarming the state militias as the British had tried to disarm the colonial militias. If you read Federalist 29, there is a lot of implication that you can understand with some more reading. The founders were opposed to a large permanent military as we have now, fearing that a strong military could one day take over the central government as it had done in Britain. They intended the state militias to hold most of the land-based military power and serve as a check on federal power.
The point of the second amendment is not for a group of right-wing nuts to be able to oppose the government. The point was for the states to be able to oppose the federal government. Then we had this thing called the Confederate War in the 1860s. People later started calling it the American Civil War.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Incorrect.***
Sep 6, 2024, 4:57 PM
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: Incorrect.***
Sep 6, 2024, 7:13 PM
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Like I said, read some contemporary writings instead of Russians funded propaganda.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Please try to be serious if you want to be taken seriously.***
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Sep 6, 2024, 8:35 PM
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Re: Please try to be serious if you want to be taken seriously.***
Sep 7, 2024, 11:43 AM
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You are pretty far out of your depth here, kiddo.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Not in the slightest.
Sep 7, 2024, 4:30 PM
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Even at a very fundamental level your argument doesn't pass a sniff test. I've already posted Posner's opinion in Madigan that does a superb job breaking down the antecedents to the 2A's framing, in addition to what was done in Heller. Asserting 2A to be anything other than an individual right is admitting you have no grasp of our Founder's understanding of natural rights, individual liberty, or the zeitgeist of the time.
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: Not in the slightest.
Sep 7, 2024, 7:53 PM
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I'm telling you kiddo, just read the writings of the founders. It has nothing to do with an individual right. There was already an implied right to bear arms (by free white men, of course). The second amendment is all about the British confiscating weapons before the Revolution. Take anything a half-assed lawyer says and flush it down the toilet.
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: Not in the slightest.
Sep 7, 2024, 8:10 PM
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Here are the revisions to the second amendment:
Original:
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
Rev 1:
A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the People, being the best security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.
Rev 2 (final):
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Then read Federalist 29. It was about keeping military power at the state/local level to counter an unscrupulous federal army.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Again. You are very wrong.***
Sep 8, 2024, 8:48 AM
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: Again. You are very wrong.***
Sep 8, 2024, 9:18 AM
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Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy,
Where did everything go so wrong for you? You Gen Zs with no reading comprehension.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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I'm glad you can read words.
Sep 8, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Maybe some day you'll put context to them.
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: I'm glad you can read words.
Sep 8, 2024, 12:56 PM
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You rely too much on the opinions of morons like Scalia in Heller, which in the big scheme is a very recent decision. That guy was wrong in so many cases, letting his politics control his thought processes. He was part of the majority that decided, after only 221 years, that the second amendment applied to the states (by the 14th amendment, so technically only 142 years).
Read all the (few) prior decisions, the Federalist papers, and commentary from the times. Google is a good tool but it makes you lazy. Every prior interpretation and the original intent was that the people kept arms as part of the citizen militia to defend the state. The individual right for self defense wasn't a consideration at that time because it was so ingrained in common law. If it had been, there would be a clause or similar wording from the English Bill of Rights:
" And thereupon the said Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons, pursuant to their respective letters and elections, being now assembled in a full and free representative of this nation, taking into their most serious consideration the best means for attaining the ends aforesaid, do in the first place (as their ancestors in like case have usually done) for the vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties declare ... That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;"
There hasn't really been a serious question about whether or not people could keep guns in their home for self defense. The questions have been what kind of guns are allowed and whether they are kept loaded or unloaded.
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Hey Austin.
Sep 8, 2024, 12:23 AM
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Please take issue with my posts. You ignore them because as I can tell, I am the expert in this thread.
Please be responding.
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Rival Killer [2619]
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Re: AR-15
Sep 5, 2024, 9:42 AM
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NJDEV and Jimmy avoided the question. Focus boys.
Can someone share with us for what purpose they use a gun that shoots 60 rounds (or a lot more) in one minute?
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Pointing out that your comment makes absolutely no sense is not avoiding the
Sep 5, 2024, 9:48 AM
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question. It's saying your question is stupid because you don't know what you're talking about in the first place.
So, my response to you is if you support banning all semi-automatic firearms because that is exactly what you're arguing.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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I'll make it easier on you.
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Sep 5, 2024, 9:54 AM
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Both of these rifles can shoot the same amount of rounds in the same amount of time. Please tell me why you'd like to ban the bottom, but not the top?
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Re: I'll make it easier on you.
Sep 5, 2024, 10:07 PM
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I think your question applies only to morons. A ####### moron probably couldn't fire more rounds using the AR with a 10+ round capacity than he could using the safari with a four-round capacity.
For those old enough to remember when the Brady bill went into effect, the main thing it did for assault weapons was ban the manufacture and sale of magazines that held more than 10 rounds. The sale restriction only applied to gun dealers, so there was never a time that you couldn't buy the larger magazines second-hand.
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: I'll make it easier on you.
Sep 6, 2024, 7:22 PM
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Postscript:
I don't think Jimmy knew the upper rifle only holds four bullets. To be honest, I had to look it up, but was assuming 4 or 5 based on my hunting days.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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If that rifle doesn't have a port for a detachable mag, that's my mistake.
Sep 6, 2024, 8:37 PM
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But the example stands. If the above rifle had a port for a detachable magazine, then there is no functional difference between the two.
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: If that rifle doesn't have a port for a detachable mag, that's my mistake.
Sep 6, 2024, 10:27 PM
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Oh, you use a detachable magazine with it (it’s in the picture protruding from the bottom but holds 3 or 4 .30-06 rounds). The BAR is a heavier and higher power rifle than the AR, originally developed for WWI and used up to vietnam (per browning site). The military versions had bigger magazines, but I can’t find a larger magazine in a cursory search to fit this sporting version.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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The point is semi-autos function the same way.
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Sep 6, 2024, 11:07 PM
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You pull the trigger. A round fires. And another round is cycled via the mag.
There is nothing different or exceptional to the AR platform that makes its rate of fire "more deadly" from other semi-autos that can accept similar mags, which is what OP was mistakenly driving at.
Which is why banning the AR over another s/a LR is an illogical argument to make. A logical argument is instead calling for the ban of all semi-autos firearms. Or, banning (and forcibly confiscating) high cap mags.
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: The point is semi-autos function the same way.
Sep 6, 2024, 11:23 PM
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You misread the OP. He asked why you need a 30 round capacity with rapid fire.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Then I didn't misread it.***
Sep 7, 2024, 9:05 AM
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Re: AR-15
Sep 5, 2024, 12:00 PM
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Did not avoid it at all - The purpose is to not allow the government to dominate civilians
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Correct.***
Sep 6, 2024, 4:58 PM
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That seems kinda dumb now when someone in Colorado
Sep 6, 2024, 6:49 PM
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could take out Meal Team 6 in Spartanburg with a drone flying around Columbia.
Fat boy with the Pringles can in his hand and a tactical vest on would never even know it was coming.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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I mean, yes. The idea that civilians could win a war against the Armed Forces
Sep 6, 2024, 8:42 PM
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is no longer a serious argument. But America's armed population could absolutely make such a war so catastrophically painful for a professional military, especially in urban combat, that is still genuinely a deterrence against (true) tyranny.
Watching how Ukraine started pumping small arms and molotov cocktails into Kyiv at the start of the war was going to make Russia's attempt to take the city a bloodbath for them; fortunately it never came to that.
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Re: AR-15
Sep 5, 2024, 9:58 AM
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glad they didnt write "Bill of needs"
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Re: AR-15
Sep 5, 2024, 10:01 AM
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Jimmy still can’t keep focus.
For what purpose do you or someone else use a gun that shoots 60 rounds (or a lot more) in one minute?
What are the use cases?
I can think of a few use cases, but I want to hear from somebody that actually uses a gun that shoots 60 rounds or more in one minute.
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Re: AR-15
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Sep 5, 2024, 10:03 AM
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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If you refuse to understand the very basics of what you're asking then what
Sep 5, 2024, 10:09 AM
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good would any response be? I type random words on the keyboard to the same effect.
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Tiger Titan [49152]
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Bruh
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Sep 5, 2024, 10:06 AM
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One, you don't need two threads for the same topic.
Two, an AR is a semi-automatic gun that can fire as fast you can pull the trigger--same as a semi-auto handgun. Are you proposing banning those too?
I don't own an AR but will probably build one soon in the next year. The purpose will be for home protection and pleasure shooting. And self defense against crazy ### holes who think we're going to have a civil war.
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Rival Killer [2619]
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Re: Bruh
Sep 5, 2024, 10:25 AM
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Ok, finally, somebody tells me how they use these guns. Thumbs up. Thank you.
Looking forward to hearing how other people use these guns.
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Tiger Titan [49152]
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I'm not sure you'll get many different answers
Sep 5, 2024, 10:32 AM
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I doubt anyone is using an AR for hunting much but maybe they do.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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AR platform is very popular for hunting, just not chambered for .223.
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Sep 5, 2024, 10:35 AM
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But I do laugh about that one guy who was meme'd to death for bringing up feral hogs as a real reason to have an AR around, and then a string of stories came out about feral hogs being an absolute terror.
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Most AR's are able to shoot .223***
Sep 6, 2024, 6:46 PM
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Not sure of your point here.***
Sep 6, 2024, 8:44 PM
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Well, riddle me this. Why does it seem like 90%+ of these school shootings
Sep 5, 2024, 10:42 AM
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involve an AR?
Why was it used by the guy that tried to shoot Trump?
What about many if not most of the other mass shootings? And by "mass", I'm talking about the big ones like in vegas or whatever.
I hear you and understand that it's not the only semi-automatic gun out there. I'm genuinely curious as to why a weapon with very little if any practical hunting application is the weapon of choice for these types of crimes.
Every single person I know that has them also seem to have a cache of other weapons. Some for self defense, many for hunting, etc. The AR is the only one that literally isn't used at all. Not on a range, nothing.
It's like the FU of guns. Seems like an ego buy for most, yet they ALWAYS seem to turn up in school shootings.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Couple of factors that have nothing to do with the firearm itself.
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Sep 5, 2024, 10:47 AM
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Lore. Fetishizing the AR. Misunderstanding of firearms thinking it somehow is deadlier.
The data is clear. Most mass shootings involve a handgun, whether it is the primary weapon or not, suggesting quite strongly that these incidents would happen regardless of whether the AR was accessible or not. Additionally the firearm also has no causal relationship to fatalities, as there are numerous other factors more controlling of that.
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Tiger Titan [48856]
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Ok, appreciate the well reasoned response. I also understand that "mass"
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Sep 5, 2024, 11:09 AM
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shootings I think are defined as like 4+ victims, and I'm sure what you are saying is right.
Let me pose it another way...when news first broke yesterday about the school in Winder, I immediately thought to myself "let me guess....an AR was being used". And low and behold here we are.
Most "mass" shootings by definition being done by handgun I can understand that being the case.
It for me just seems like (all anecdotal with no stats to support) nearly ALL school shootings, and the vast majority of the ones that result in let's say 20+ being shot all involve an AR.
Someone doing this also having a handgun on them tells me that their "ohshit" bail out weapon if the AR jams or they run out of ammo.
It also seems like many/most/nearly all of these types of crimes (20+ being shot for example) are planned out in advance, and the AR is part of that planning.
I'd venture to think there are many "mass" shootings that involve under 10 being shot were done with a handgun and far less likely to be unplanned. You know, a dispute gone wrong....a crime of passion, or just beef that breaks out or some kind of disrespect shown.
That's what I struggle to understand. Perhaps lore or a lack of understanding? Maybe. It's just really odd that with all the choices out there, the AR seems to be far and away the weapon of choice.
I'm all for gun rights. I'm NOT for a "do nothing" strategy. I'd be 1000% down with a nationwide AR round up. Will it completely solve the issue here? Nope, not at all. But hey, let's TRY it. Let's do SOMETHING. I know a whole bunch of AR owners and their only reason for ownership is because they can.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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I point you back to the Mother Jones data set.
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Sep 5, 2024, 11:14 AM
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Their definition of mass shooting very closely aligns with what we (and you here) think of conventionally as a mass shooting, as opposed to simply gun crime with multiple victims, which is not a "mass shooting."
The AR is selected because of lore, not because it is inherently more deadly (and if it is selected for that, it's because of misunderstanding). If the AR is made inaccessible, the lore simply moves to another weapon. If someone is truly committed to a mass shooting, a semi-automatic weapon is ultimately interchangeable, and the damage will, ultimately, be the same.
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Oculus Spirit [41196]
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It looks "cool"
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Sep 6, 2024, 9:44 PM
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it's in movies and tv shows. It's a military gun.
If I were to guess, I said it plays into the fantasy/romanticization side of these mass shootings in that they perp will go down in a blaze of glory with the same gun the bad guys have in the movies.
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Re: Well, riddle me this. Why does it seem like 90%+ of these school shootings
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I don't have a good answer for that. Maybe it's the stigma--the shooter may also possess a misconception that this gun is far badder than the others when it isn't. Maybe it's the appearance. I dunno.
Remember, the VT shooter used 9mm pistols. I want to say Sandy Hook was also a pistol (without looking it up).
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Definitely the stigma/lore/fetishization
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And this is where I place a lot of blame on the wholly unserious, fetishization of the AR by the NRA GUN CROWD. They've treated the AR like a fashion accessory because they think it makes them look like a Billy Badass, and so the mystique becomes cult-like. The Marjorie Stone shooter mentioned how his AR made him feel powerful; as if it equalized or made him greater than the people who made him an outcast.
Again though, I would argue that were it not for the AR, it would have been something else.
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It makes me laugh today how the venn diagram circle of people who grew up
Sep 5, 2024, 11:29 AM
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with Red Dawn as their first response to why the 2A is needed, would now side with the Mexi/Rusko commies over the U.S.
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Glad you laughed.
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Orange Blooded [2458]
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Re: AR-15
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Sep 5, 2024, 12:11 PM
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better yet ----
ask the 3 million dead Cambodians who lost guns rights and less than 20 yrs later were slaughtered by their government
or the 7+ million Russians who died following their gun rights being taken
or the Armenians
or the Chinese
History repeats itself
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me
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Valley Legend [12820]
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Because America. It's fun.
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Sep 5, 2024, 2:25 PM
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Why would anyone own a sportscar? Why would anyone own a big screen TV? Why would anyone own an airplane, boat, etc?
Because it's America and we can.
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Valley Legend [12950]
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Re: Because America. It's fun.
Sep 5, 2024, 2:27 PM
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my maserati does one eighty five
i lost my license and now i dont drive
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CU Medallion [20828]
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Re: Because America. It's fun.
Sep 8, 2024, 12:00 PM
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you sitting in the back of a limo these days ClemsonRangers®?
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Rival Killer [2619]
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Re: AR-15
Sep 5, 2024, 9:45 PM
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Ok, some good points made by a number of folks in this thread, but going back to the initial question ……. How do people use AR-15s?
I heard people say an AR 15 can be used for hunting. It can even be used for hunting wild boar from a helicopter. That’s good to know.
I’m still looking to hear about other ways people can use an AR-15. Would like to hear from people that actually own an AR-15.
I’m sure some folks have an AR-15 for home defense but I hear an AR-15 is far from first choice, ie much better options.
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: AR-15
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Sep 7, 2024, 11:34 AM
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It's just another toy for most owners. When I have more free time, I'll probably get one. I have a cheap side-by-side shotgun mostly as a toy, but I take it for trap once in a while. Those clowns in the helicopters are likely just wounding most of the hogs they hit, but if they are herding them into a better kill zone, then it could make sense. If they are trying to kill bigger hogs, I'd think a .30-06 would be far better from that distance. At least in SC, the professionals (USDA, contractors, and the odd landowner) trap hogs in individual traps or group corrals and then shoot them up close. In the trap or corral, the higher capacity of smaller bullets makes sense. I wouldn't trust it for protection from walking up on a sleeping sow or boar (so far, I'm lucky they have always run away). Some individuals bait an area with a wildlife cam will get up at all hours to kill the hogs. The guys I know that do that use a 9 mm or larger pistol.
If we could only round up all the individuals who relocated hogs in SC for hunting (before relocation became illegal) and hold them responsible for the billions of dollars of damage. Then we could go after the guys who imported coyotes as a substitute for fox hunting.
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CU Medallion [18701]
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Re: AR-15
Sep 6, 2024, 9:37 AM
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Ignorance is bliss for the media. These are not military rifles, never have and never will be.
For example, I have one of these in my safe. A Ruger 10/22 rifle. You can buy these at Cabelas or Bass Pro Shop.
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You can also buy this kit at Cabelas or Bass Pro Shop.
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Go to a work bench and in an hour or so, this is what you have.
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It looks military but it's nothing more than a Ruger .22 rifle. Don't let the magazine throw you off because I have a couple clips like that that fits mine which looks the first picture.
You can do this with about any caliber semi-auto rifle. But in the end, they are still the base rifles.
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Rival Killer [2619]
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Re: AR-15
Sep 6, 2024, 10:53 AM
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OK, I get your point and AR-15 is not a military weapon, it’s not an assault rifle, it’s not a machine gun. It’s a rifle.
With respect to any gun that has a bump stock or a binary trigger, what are the use cases for these?
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CU Medallion [18701]
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Re: AR-15
Sep 6, 2024, 12:38 PM
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I can only say, I tried them and don't like them. I can't answer for others but have no problem with people owning them if they use them responsibly.
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Clemson Icon [27845]
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Twice as costly on an AR-10... ;~)***
Sep 6, 2024, 3:01 PM
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You can outlaw whatever you want, they
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aren’t going away. This year, 9 months in and I have seen over 20 glocks that have the illegal switch on them. You can 3-D print anything. Before this they were using porcelain to conceal firearms.
We have laws and regulations on the books now. The NICS process is a joke. Anyone that wants a gun can get one and that is never going away.
Focusing on juvenile mental health and not just kicking them down the road would be an amazing start.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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I also think we should enhance penalties on
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Sep 6, 2024, 5:07 PM
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Felons in possession and gun theft. Picking up a gun when you're not supposed to is a choice, and there is only one intent to carrying. Making that choice should be woefully punitive on par with the intent.
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I agree, however CCW charge
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Sep 6, 2024, 11:16 PM
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is an easy charge to get prosecuted. And most habitual felons I encounter all have CCW charge.
You are not wrong at all, but this is an area where I think the courts take a hard stance.
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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You might be interested that the IDF uses Ruger 10/22s***
Sep 7, 2024, 11:41 AM
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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You might be interested in the American woman shot in the head today by an Israeli soldier. He was likely using a Ruger 10/22, but we can wait for details. That's been their favorite weapon for shooting protestors.
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Valley Legend [12950]
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Re: AR-15
Sep 6, 2024, 11:11 AM
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dont worry, our kids will turn in their 2nd amendment right after we die
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Playmaker [366]
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Re: AR-15
Sep 6, 2024, 3:22 PM
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not if they're dead first
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Orange Phenom [14837]
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I dont own one but its probably only because
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Sep 6, 2024, 7:22 PM
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I have a big deke and don’t need to compensate
P.S. if you think this post is disrespectful it’s probably because I don’t have any respect for people who think they need assault rifles.
P.S. part 2 I also don’t give a sheet that you guys don’t technically call em assault rifles
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CU Medallion [18701]
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Re: I dont own one but its probably only because
Sep 6, 2024, 9:07 PM
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And we don't give a sheet what you think.
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Orange Phenom [14837]
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Re: I dont own one but its probably only because
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Rival Killer [2619]
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Re: AR-15
Sep 6, 2024, 8:18 PM
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Ok, lots of good thoughts.
Focus on mental health
Increase security at schools
Don’t let criminals or mentally unstable folks buy or possess guns.
Oh, maybe we suggest to parents that they don’t give 14-year-olds guns as Christmas presents. If the kid is not allowed to possess it on his own, and can only possess it under adult supervision, the parent is really not giving it to him as a present. Parent is buying the gun for themselves and trying to get credit for giving an expensive Christmas present. Load of BS. Dangerous and low rent move on the part of a parent.
Note that nobody in this thread suggested we do away with the second amendment or take guns away. I wouldn’t suggest that that. Very few people do. I don’t think that’s ever a realistic scenario.
Regarding my question, how people use Bump stocks and high volume magazines, I heard hunting and because it’s fun.
Your people use both stocks for hunting?
If bump stocks are only useful for doing a drug deal in Miami and having fun, I ask why do we even manufacture them, outside of military use? I recognize they might be fun, but surface to air missiles and hand grenades are fun also, and the United States of America was smart enough to make sure citizens do not have the right to bear these arms. Yes, grenades are classified as arms as they are illegal under the National Firearms Act ("NFA").
Anybody out there wanna let us know why they need a bump stock?
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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If you want to have an honest conversation, you need to approach it with
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Sep 6, 2024, 8:52 PM
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honesty. I'm not saying that to be a dik, but my biggest beef with the Left when it comes to gun control is a fundamental lack of understanding/education on firearms, which means makes for bad policy, and disingenuous debates. It's like arguing over abortion if you have no understanding of human gestation.
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Rival Killer [2619]
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Re: If you want to have an honest conversation, you need to approach it with
Sep 8, 2024, 12:09 AM
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One more try ……. wanna let us know why anyone needs a bump stock?
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Please tell me you know a bump stock is an
Sep 8, 2024, 8:51 AM
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Accessory and not a native component to the AR. It's unclear that you do.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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also the OP wasn't about bump stocks.
Sep 8, 2024, 8:56 AM
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You were asking why people needed ARs. And then you proceeded to clown yourself many times in the follow-ups because you don't even have a rudimentary understanding of firearms.
Bump stocks are stupid, a clear end run around the NFA, and if Congress wanted to pass a law banning them I'd have no issue with it. They've also been used only once in a mass shooting before and after they were banned so it's pretty silly thing to focus on.
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Athletic Dir [1188]
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Re: also the OP wasn't about bump stocks.
Sep 8, 2024, 9:49 AM
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SCOTUS overturned the ban. Paraphrasing Thomas, the combination of the bump stock, your finger, the recoil, and your hip that makes it rapid-fire isn’t a machine as described by the NFA and amending laws. The NFA would have to be amended again.
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Oculus Spirit [44645]
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Yes. I'm aware of all of those things.***
Sep 8, 2024, 10:03 AM
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Oculus Spirit [41196]
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The only time I've been around one
Sep 6, 2024, 9:35 PM
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it was being used for shooting targets over a lake. There were a couple of shotguns and handguns being used for the same purpose.
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Rival Killer [2619]
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Re: The only time I've been around one
Sep 8, 2024, 12:09 AM
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Great. Sounds like fun.
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