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CU Guru [1535]
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Super glad to see Tigernet displaying a more liberal point
Aug 10, 2020, 2:46 PM
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of view these days. The fact that so many folks who have long been opposed to paying players or unionizing college athletes are now so squarely on board with the new proposal by Power Five athletes to form a CFPA (College Football Players Association) just warms my yellow-dog heart.
To paraphrase the great John McClain, "Welcome to the party, pals!"
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Re: Super glad to see Tigernet displaying a more liberal point
Aug 10, 2020, 2:48 PM
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Nice troll. I doubt even 10% here support them unionizing.
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sure hope not***
Aug 10, 2020, 2:50 PM
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CU Guru [1535]
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That's interesting, considering that's a part of the
Aug 10, 2020, 3:47 PM
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"Let Us Play" proposal.
Basically, the way I see it is if you support college football coming back--and especially if you support #letusplay--then you're a union sympathizer.
Congrats.
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: That's interesting, considering that's a part of the
Aug 10, 2020, 4:18 PM
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I support the way it was last year. I am not union sympathizer. I think it's great what they get.
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Re: Super glad to see Tigernet displaying a more liberal point
Aug 10, 2020, 2:49 PM
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Crawl back in your hole. Biggest mistake ever made in college football!
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Oculus Spirit [83641]
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they should be paid...
Aug 10, 2020, 2:52 PM
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with free education, free housing, free skill training, free promotion, and a living stipend.
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: they should be paid...
Aug 10, 2020, 3:00 PM
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I think they deserve more than that. We need to step it up and give them free food and awesome lounge areas to hangout in. Maybe even consider giving them free clothes with the school logos all over them. They just don't get enough. They should also get admitted to schools easier that most normally wouldn't have gotten into. I am sure the admission standards are much tougher on talented athletes compared to the average person who applies. They have it rough.
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National Champion [7658]
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Re: they should be paid...
Aug 10, 2020, 3:19 PM
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not to mention a degree that could allow them to earn $900k more (on average) in their lifetime than a non-degreed person.
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CU Guru [1535]
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Right--that payment plan is so good, that's what the coaches
Aug 10, 2020, 3:54 PM
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get, too. Dabo is paid in education and gear and housing. Yep.
Funny how the guy on the sidelines with no risk at all is the one paid in actual currency, and the guys risking head injury in the midst of a pandemic get paid in classes and gear.
Jesus. Did you even think before you posted that?
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: Right--that payment plan is so good, that's what the coaches
Aug 10, 2020, 4:01 PM
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They are paid. Dabo just gets more because he has earned that position. He isn't in college. He already did that. He graduated.
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CU Guru [1535]
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Hilarious. Do you think "graduation" = payment?
Aug 10, 2020, 4:16 PM
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Do you think players might be able to make a little money if there wasn't CFB? How much would an NFL team pay for TL right now? Or for any number of other players?
But they're all playing for education and gear because the system says they have to. And they're generating billions of dollars that they never see.
If you love capitalism, you'd support the right of CFB players to earn whatever they can. If you're unAmerican, you support a system that caps potential earnings and limits opportunity.
Which one are you, bud?
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: Hilarious. Do you think "graduation" = payment?
Aug 10, 2020, 4:24 PM
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TL is getting a lot and he can leave after this year. His issue would be with the NFL. They require 3 years. Nobody forces players to showcase their skills in college and get hooked up. When he is 21 or so he will get 50 million. He will also have zero debt and some of the best years of his life. He is living the dream. The XFL is coming back though, so the players don't care about free reverything in college can play there coming up straight out of HS and showcase their skills for 50k and never get a degree.
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CU Guru [1535]
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Or he gets hurt tomorrow and he's done...with nothing.***
Aug 10, 2020, 4:29 PM
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Re: Or he gets hurt tomorrow and he's done...with nothing.***
Aug 10, 2020, 4:35 PM
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He probably has an amazing insurance policy. He would also have a degree and could do many other great things in life. Constantine got hurt and he still has a full ride. He doesn't even have to play a down. I don't think he ever played a down. Most of those guys on the team won't have NFL careers.
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Re: Or he gets hurt tomorrow and he's done...with nothing.***
Aug 10, 2020, 9:57 PM
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Wrong. He has a Clemson degree. How many guys make it in the league. Not very many. That education and growth as a person to many of these young men is a life changing situation.
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Oculus Spirit [39224]
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Much like Tajh Boyd has nothing...
Aug 10, 2020, 10:50 PM
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except a career launched by his Clemson degree and the connections he made playing college football for Clemson University...but basically nothing.
####### commies.
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Re: Hilarious. Do you think "graduation" = payment?
Aug 10, 2020, 5:38 PM
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Great idea! Since this should apply to all colleges playing football, Then maybe the football players at schools that are losing money can take out loans to pay their fair share of the debt. That is how capitalism works, but maybe you forgot about that part.
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110%er [9905]
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Re: Right--that payment plan is so good, that's what the coaches
Aug 10, 2020, 4:08 PM
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Dabo has already obtained his education. Coaching is his vocation. These athletes will have the same opportunities. Will all be as successful as Dabo? No. Equal outcomes not guaranteed. Maybe do some thinking too?
Welp, sorry Carlsbad. Was typing while you were posting.
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CU Guru [1535]
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What an unAmerican point of view. CFB players have skills
Aug 10, 2020, 4:19 PM
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but no way to be paid for them. How would you feel if you went to work everyday for a billion dollar company and they sent you home with gear and books to read?
This is the chance to end the communistic CFB stranglehold on the free market and have a true capitalistic football system where the players get paid their actual worth.
Who's with me? Or maybe you're just red, through and through.
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National Champion [7658]
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funny how quickly unAmerican is thrown out these days***
Aug 10, 2020, 4:25 PM
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workers control the means of production.
Aug 10, 2020, 5:20 PM
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I mean, how more American can you get?
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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110%er [9905]
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Re: What an unAmerican point of view. CFB players have skills
Aug 10, 2020, 4:37 PM
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It’s quite simple I wouldn’t work for that company and no one else would either. You’re hypothetical company wouldn’t exist. Without CFB most of these players wouldn’t sniff college. As far as your trying to frame this argument in American/unAmerican terms you can stick that right up your troll ####. I happily served this country for 20 years. Even defending morans like you. Hopefully some day you grow up, move out of your moms basement, and become an adult.
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: Right--that payment plan is so good, that's what the coaches
Aug 10, 2020, 4:28 PM
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Exactly. Look Tyler Grisham too. He now has a great career in coaching because he made great contacts at Clemson. Look at all of the guys that have degrees and great jobs because they got a degree. Look at Youngblood guarding the White House. He came out with zero debt and has a great job now.
Dabo has already obtained his education. Coaching is his vocation. These athletes will have the same opportunities. Will all be as successful as Dabo? No. Equal outcomes not guaranteed. Maybe do some thinking too?
Welp, sorry Carlsbad. Was typing while you were posting.
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: Right--that payment plan is so good, that's what the coaches
Aug 10, 2020, 4:45 PM
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Forgot to add...People act like most of these players will have lucrative NFL careers. Over 95% will not. They will have their degrees hopefully and have another 70 years of a great life with a degree and better prospects.
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And rings! Glorious blinged out rings on every finger.***
Aug 10, 2020, 3:08 PM
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Oculus Spirit [43211]
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do they eat Steak like we did when we were in school
Aug 10, 2020, 11:25 PM
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those Filets at Pixie and Bills were awesome
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Dynasty Maker [3337]
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Bless your heart.***
Aug 10, 2020, 2:54 PM
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Got a list of these turncoats?***
Aug 10, 2020, 2:54 PM
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CU Guru [1535]
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Wait--do you people not know that Trevor Lawrence is leading
Aug 10, 2020, 3:50 PM
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the revolution? He's responsible for #letusplay, and one of their proposals is that they be allowed to form a union...the CFPA. Trump tweeted his support--can you believe it?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1292873531382992901
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Super glad to see we have another troll.***
Aug 10, 2020, 3:50 PM
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CU Guru [1535]
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In fact, Lawrence and his fellow rabble rousers say that
Aug 10, 2020, 3:53 PM
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the CFPB is the "ULTIMATE" goal of #letusplay. I'm not making this up. It's right there in the document.
I figured since everyone here was in support of #letusplay that you were in support of all of it...including the union proposal.
Or maybe you just didn't read it? Or comprehend it?
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TigerNet Elite [70989]
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Unpaid amateurs do not create unions in the traditional
Aug 10, 2020, 4:04 PM
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sense, like a labor union. They can organize a mediation group with voices from the players.
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CU Guru [1535]
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Nah...they're going all in. You know once that CFPA gets
Aug 10, 2020, 4:20 PM
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established, they're coming for paychecks next. Slippery slope!
Way to go, Trevor! Fight the power!
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Workers of the World, #WeWantsToPlay***
Aug 10, 2020, 3:57 PM
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Hall of Famer [8399]
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Re: Super glad to see Tigernet displaying a more liberal point
Aug 10, 2020, 3:57 PM
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Yeah and all those protests are peaceful.
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Re: Super glad to see Tigernet displaying a more liberal point
Aug 10, 2020, 4:08 PM
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Sorry 32 but there is plenty in your boat. It certainly is not overloaded. You must be under 40 and still get a stipend of some kind from your parents. Go to Portland, Chicago, San Francisco, or Minneapolis and you will find plenty of like brethren.
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CU Guru [1535]
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What a great argument! You really furthered the discourse.
Aug 10, 2020, 4:24 PM
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Reading your insightful post made feel like I was getting a direct message from Locke or Plato or Nietzsche.
What a mind you have. You really worked the nuance there and put me in a box...sent me to a city...told me I was young...how will I recover from your mighty tongue lashing?
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Orange Blooded [2597]
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Re: What are you talking about? Do you find TL's protest to be
Aug 10, 2020, 4:25 PM
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Do the athletes realize that to unionize and receive payments makes them Professionals and any benefits from the university for their playing will probably be considered taxable income?
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Rival Killer [2964]
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Re: What are you talking about? Do you find TL's protest to be
Aug 10, 2020, 4:32 PM
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They're already paying taxes on their scholarships. Part of 2017 tax reform bill.
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Orange Blooded [2135]
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Re: What are you talking about? Do you find TL's protest to be
Aug 10, 2020, 4:54 PM
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Lmao! No they do not and no it wasn't
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Re: What are you talking about? Do you find TL's protest to be
Aug 10, 2020, 6:52 PM
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Scholarships not used for tuition, fees, and other qualified expenses such as books have been taxable since 1986 if not earlier. This is not a new thing since 2017. My kids earned good scholarships so I have gone through the pain of figuring out the tax bills.
The 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act changed the rate for the kiddie tax that affects some students that have a large amount of unearned income, including scholarships. However, Congress fixed the issue the following year with a retroactive provision in the SECURE Act.
The IRS publication 970 covers scholarships among other education topics.
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Rival Killer [2964]
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Re: What are you talking about? Do you find TL's protest to be
Aug 10, 2020, 10:29 PM
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I didn't know the part from 2017 had been fixed. But you still validated my point about taxes on scholarships....thanks.
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Game Changer [1923]
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Funny, though some may not recognize the hilarious "yellow dog" reference****
Aug 10, 2020, 4:37 PM
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Tiger Spirit [9808]
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anyone smell chicken?***
Aug 10, 2020, 9:43 PM
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Re: Super glad to see Tigernet displaying a more liberal point
Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM
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So who pays their union dues? College football is not a job. It's a priveledge that you get to play and get your education paid for. I don't like it and never will. These guys know what they are signing up for. If you don't want to play then I'm sure some other well deserving player will be grateful.
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Dynasty Maker [3490]
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Union: The Destruction Of College Athletics
Aug 10, 2020, 11:21 PM
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Just another pro league. Men's programs will get cut in favor of women's programs because of Title IX. Players should have a voice, but I think the Pac 12 proposal is way too much.
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Re: Super glad to see Tigernet displaying a more liberal point
Aug 10, 2020, 11:35 PM
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You are a nut.......frigging liberal......Go Tigers!!!!!
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