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TigerNet Elite [69677]
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Serious question. What is the reason for DJT deploying the NG to DC?
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:25 AM
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I have seen the reporting of it, but what rationale, if any, is the administration giving for doing this?
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Photo-op
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:27 AM
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And at this point, everything is a diversion from releasing the Epstein files.
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I haven't seen the administration giving that as a reason.***
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:31 AM
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I'm 100% certain they would tell us.
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:41 AM
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I can already hear Karoline's condescension while saying it.
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Orange Immortal [67932]
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:59 AM
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Of course they wouldn't tell us, and I'm not in any way suggesting they would. I was simply pointing out (correctly) that your answer was not correct, and didn't even address the question.
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APM asked why Trump is putting the national guard in Washington DC.
Aug 13, 2025, 11:15 AM
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And I told him. It 100% answered the question, while simultaneously being 100% correct.
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Orange Immortal [67932]
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Okay, I see your point.
Aug 13, 2025, 8:37 PM
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He went on to specify in his question what reason the administration was giving, so I though that was took it that he was looking specifically for that.
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And I also gave that reasoning: Photo op
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Aug 13, 2025, 11:31 AM
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I imagine we will see pics in the media shortly of the NG holding machine guns standing on a street corner in Washington, DC. When we do, it will be "Mission Accomplished".
There are ~10,000 cops in Washington DC, and there will be 200 NG assisting with patrol duties. Do we really expect to see a quantifiable difference in crime? If so, why not put 200 more cops on OT to patrol?
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Re: And I also gave that reasoning: Photo op
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Aug 13, 2025, 11:32 AM
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Exactly this. It’s the kind of solution to crime that a reality TV host would propose.
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Re: And I also gave that reasoning: Photo op
Aug 13, 2025, 7:12 PM
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Spokesperson said most of the NG would be unarmed, and that’s what I’m seeing in the pics.
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Have you seen the administration give that reason?
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Aug 13, 2025, 11:27 AM
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Because OP specifically asked what reason they had given.
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That would be the second part of the question.
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Aug 13, 2025, 11:33 AM
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The first time it's phrased is "why is DJT deploying the National Guard in DC?", and the "covering up for Epstein" answer works. If that was the primary question, OP shoulda put it in the title.
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That's cool. I understood it differently; I'll own it.***
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I didn't even see the second part of the question until you pointed it out,
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Aug 13, 2025, 12:51 PM
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honestly.
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I don't think a lot of people did.***
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Re: Serious question. What is the reason for DJT deploying the NG to DC?
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:28 AM
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Some staffer was attacked and it got him thinking about crime and homelessness in the city. Its a bad look for the capital, so he thinks the military can fix it.
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I'm thinking "big balls" knew his attackers. They just wanted to beat
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:36 AM
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theshit out of him because he deserved it. I mean...look at him. And he calls himself "big balls".
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Re: I'm thinking "big balls" knew his attackers. They just wanted to beat
Aug 13, 2025, 11:05 AM
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Yeah, he looks like a little a-hole.
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That is patently false.***
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Aug 13, 2025, 1:00 PM
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Distract America from the fact hes all over the Epstein
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Report and he can’t hide it. Flood the zone with news and control the narrative.
Spent over a billion tax dollars deploying NG and Marines in LA for no good reason. Will do the same with DC. Wasting our tax dollars for a show to distract us. F that.
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Orange Immortal [67932]
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A lot of people, who have absolutely no way of knowing, really, REALLY
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:33 AM
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hope that is true.
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You're choosing a weird time to defend this.***
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:37 AM
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I'm not defending jacksh*t, but I understand this is how the overpowering
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:47 AM
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intense hatred of Trump warps people's thinking so that anybody who doesn't fully embrace every single derogatory statement about Trump and join the circle jerk is seen as "defending" him, when all I'm doing is making a 100% true staement. TRump may very well be all in the Epstein files, and every single thing he does may be an attempt to distract from that. I don't know, and don't pretend to, but a lot of people act as if they do. That's just it; in the current environment, hatred and self-righteousness has won over reason and any attempt at objectivity.
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Yes, you are.
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:50 AM
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It's just that you are failing at it.
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Orange Immortal [67932]
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How so? You are so warped and blinded by partisan hatred that you see
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Aug 13, 2025, 10:57 AM
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truth as "taking a side". Weak and pathetic.
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THAT is what I am talking about. Anyone who criticizes Trump, in your words,
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Aug 13, 2025, 11:12 AM
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"has an intense overpowering hatred of Trump" and a "hatred and self-righteousness has won over reason and any attempt at objectivity" and "blinded by partisan hatred" and is "weak and pathetic."
It's your attempt to discredit those who rightly criticize Trump.
THAT is what I am talking about
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Yeah, he's not defending Trump though.***
Aug 13, 2025, 11:14 AM
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I disagree. Any attempt to impugn, insult, and discredit the messenger is
Aug 13, 2025, 11:19 AM
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is intended to distract from and discredit the message. It's an ad hominem attack.
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...I was being sarcastic.***
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Orange Immortal [67932]
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100% false.
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Aug 13, 2025, 11:47 AM
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I have been very critical of Trump at times. I did not vote for Trump in 2020. I do not support him now. So no, anyone who ctiticizes Trump is NOT consumed with overpowering partisan hate. I have never, ever said or implied that. Trump deserves plenty of criticism.
If you know that Trump is doing this and everithing else merely as a distraction, and uf you know the Epstein files contain lots of dirt on Trump, then you win. If you could present what yoi know to an impartial jury and convince them of Trump's wrondoing in the Epstein files, you win.
Is it reasonable to think that Trump is doing things to distract? Probably, its certainly not unreasonable. Thats not what Im arguing at all. I'm saying that something is responsible for the certainty with which these claims are being made in the face of current evidence. I assume it is blind partisan hatred based on what I see in here.
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Trump is the master of the ad hominem attack on people with whom he disagrees.
Aug 13, 2025, 12:28 PM
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He is disgusting when he does it.
The criticisms of Trump on this board are also coming from inside the house.
It's not blind and it's not partisanship.
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Orange Immortal [67932]
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Again, criticisms are fine. You are completely misunderstanding and
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Aug 13, 2025, 12:50 PM
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misrepresenting my argument if you think that's what I'm doing.
Trump is a scumbag creep narcissist.
It does not logically follow that therefore (a) The Epstein files contain wrongdoing by Trump or (b) that Trump is creating distractions to distract from (a).
Pointing out that fact is not in any way a defense of Trump. Rather, accusing me of defending Trump by doing so is just another example of faulty reasoning and poor logic. To me, the facts matter, no matter who they seem to defend or condemn. The facts are not partisan.
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TNets Lunatic Lefties R trying to wear you down: They have no good arguments
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TNet’s lunatic fringe is trying to wear you down with endless repetition of ridiculous arguments as to why Trump has ordered Nat Guard to take control of policing activities in DC.
BTW, the DC chapter of the police union applauds Trump’s move, despite the (?) protest (*) from the DC police chief aka former Equity Officer of DC.
TNet’s lunatic fringe hates DOGE almost as much as Trump because (1) DOGE was Trump’s idea -&- he got it started and (2) DOGE led to the near total destruction of the USAID money laundering / Democrat Party political activism department.
This matters because ‘Big Balz’ was a well known DOGE guy. Trump learned what happened to Big Balz, his employee at DOGE, and (as any decent person would do) was motivated to get started with the ‘rehabilitation’ of DC that he had often said was very much needed.
All of the Lunatic Lefties, desperate in their repeated failures to pin any legitimate failures on Trump, are casting hooks with no bait back into the water. Really, at this point, all they can do is to try to socially shame those people who do not share their misery.
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Orange Immortal [67932]
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The loudest, most unrelenting extremes are currently driving the narrative.
Aug 14, 2025, 9:14 AM
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On both sides. Neither can allow themselves to be critical of their own side, and certainly will NOT give any credit to the other side; that is not even a consideration, and is forbidden. There are two and ONLY two sides, two possible answers or opinions to every single problem or issue. EVERYTHING is divided along those lines, and you're either an ally or an enemy. Everybody is angrily screaming past each other. Clear, objective thinking is out the window. Just fight and win, and pat yourself on the back for being right.
THAT, in my opinion, is THE problem, and somehow, some way, we have to wake up.
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To be fair, Trump and truth are rarely if ever on the same side.
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There’s no doubt I hate the man for being the POS he is, but it’s not blind. He is purposely driving America to financial ruin to the benefit of the wealthy class, destroying the middle class, and ######## on American values. I don’t hate conservatives, I am one. I don’t hate liberals because America needs them. We need two functioning parties and MAGA is neither, it’s only about defending one guy.
It’s absurd America got to this point.
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Re: To be fair, Trump and truth are rarely if ever on the same side.
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I don’t hate conservatives, I am one. I don’t hate liberals because America needs them. We need two functioning parties and MAGA is neither, it’s only about defending one guy. It’s absurd America got to this point.
I agree, and the current dem party is not any kind of answer; it's just the other side of that same coin. Both sides are just responding to crazy with more crazy, angrily shouting past each outher.
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Re: To be fair, Trump and truth are rarely if ever on the same side.
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Please put me down for the crazy party that supports secure borders and safer cities instead of the crazy party that pretends neither are even remotely achievable and anyone who says otherwise is a racist, xenophobic fascist. Thanks!
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What are you accusing him of defending and what comment of his
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Can you quote and link to in support of your opinion?
I think what he’s doing…and if I’m right, I applaud it…is ensuring an honest perspective and analysis of Trump’s decision to use the National Guard in DC. It frustrates me that many Trump critics feel that everyone here must scream “fascism” and go about their business. Is that REALLY why we come here? To shout the political opposition down? To attack other posters’ character for a willingness to understand the other perspective?
I don’t support this decision by Trump. It’s hard to see it as anything but an ignorant leader’s overreach at best. But I’m not afraid to hear an explanation.
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I agree with you about "attacking someone's character."
Aug 13, 2025, 11:22 AM
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There are some excellent examples of what you are referring to in a couple posts above.
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Thanks. Can you link to where he does what you are accusing him of?***
Aug 13, 2025, 11:34 AM
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You're welcome.***
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Okay, so if you cant point to where hes doing what you said
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Aug 13, 2025, 11:42 AM
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maybe take a step back in the future and actually address his comments rather than attack him for not falling in absolute line with “one side” or “the other.”
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Thank you for your honesty and objectivity in pointing out the absurdity
Aug 14, 2025, 11:27 AM
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of characterizing my response as a defense of Trump. Here's a breakdown:
old slac claimed that Trump's actions are an attempt to distract from the Epstein files/
I replied that a lot of people who have no way of knowing, which is an undeniable fact, really hope it's true.
soccer says that's me defending Trump.
I correctly point out that my response has nothing to do with whether or not Trump is doing this as a distraction, or how I personally feel about Trump. Rather, my response is about how some people are responding to and interpreting his actions, and the fact that they can't possibly know his reasons one way or the other. They do not know, no matter how much they hate Trump, no matter how justified that hate is, that Trump is doing this as a distraction. I don't claim to know either.
Chuckston's response is that me stating that undeniable truth is me claiming that anybody who criticizes Trump "has an intense overpowering hatred of Trump" and a "hatred and self-righteousness has won over reason and any attempt at objectivity" and "blinded by partisan hatred" and is "weak and pathetic." It's not, I never said that applies to anybody who criticizes Trump; rather it's people who use faulty logic to make claims about Trump as if they were fact.
soccer piles on again and says, sarcastically, "yeah, but he's not defending Trump" as if Chuckston's false claim somehow supports the idea that I was.
Then you step in with reason. Thank you.
You really can't make this shid up. I point out truth that conflicts with the narrative, and I'm "defending Trump". I point out the flaws in their reasoning, and that's just further proof that I'm defending Trump.
For the gazillionth time, I do not "support Trump", and I did not vote for him, and I'll be glad when we can move on from this shidshow. I may agree with some things he says and does, and not others, and whether or not I do so has nothing to do with party affiliation or attachement to any politician. I have biases like everybody else on here, but I try to evaluate every situation on it's own merits, apart from who does it or supports it. There are apparently a lot of people who can't comprehend such an outrageous approach.
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I don't like his use of the military here either. I don't like a lot of things
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about Trump. That has ZERO to do with my point here. The fact that that sails right over everbody's head makes my point. Facts and reason seem to have no place in today's environment. Discussing the merits of anything Trump says or does can't be done without first assigning every participant a "side" and then agreeing or disagreeing and discrediting from there. Analyzing and discussing each act or situation separately on it's own merits is imposible. Just choose a side and fight.
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You are using faulty reasoning
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if you believe that because Trump has deployed the military in D.C. you can therefore assume that he is only doing so as a distraction and act as if you know it for a fact.
I do assume it's because you are blinded by partisan hatred.
Look, you may be correct, I'm not saying you are not. MY point is neither of us can possibly know.
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Re: I'm not defending jacksh*t, but I understand this is how the overpowering
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You're gonna get burned at the stake for being a heretic if you dont take that back. You either trash everything Trump does or youre choking on his #### to the weirdo crowd around here. No exceptions and no take backs. And good luck arguing with them if youre expecting any real discourse.
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You may be right.
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But neither you or I know. That's my point.
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Well take that to a larger perspective
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and they can just shut down \Political and we'll just forget about it all.
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Could temporarily lower street crime and clear out homeless
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Not going to impact the high crimes and misdemeanors going on at the White House nor numerous crimes of pillage against the American people going on in the Halls of Congress.
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There is almost zero crime in North Korea***
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He thought increasing the debt by $4 Trillion wasn't enough.***
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He's an autocrat and wants to acclimate Americans to the presence of our
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DC is a shthole and DJT doesn't want to live in a shthole.***
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Re: DC is a shthole and DJT doesn't want to live in a shthole.***
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His golf course in West Palm is in sh*thole area. He should work on that area.
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Ask your governor.***
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I don't expect to see militray in any (R) controlled states
Aug 13, 2025, 11:42 AM
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no matter how violent they may be.
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Another TNetter passes the exam and gets membership into Lunatic Left club
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Aug 13, 2025, 8:18 PM
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Congratulations.
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Valley Legend [12421]
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I do think that Trump believes lax Dem policies in some places leads to
Aug 13, 2025, 11:11 AM
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higher crime. It seems like he has this idea and is just looking for an excuse to act.
In LA, it was the ICE "riots".
In DC, it seems to have been the attack on the DOGE guy.
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Re: Serious question. What is the reason for DJT deploying the NG to DC?
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Aug 13, 2025, 11:17 AM
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The real reason this happened is pretty simple, it’s that Trump watches a lot of Fox News.
Big Balls getting carjacked got a lot of air time, Trump sees this, Trump says “We need to clean up DC crime!”, and the intellectual Zambonis come behind him and clean up what he meant and why he’s 100% totally right. They make some nominal action, they’ll get a headline or two, then everyone will forget about it in two weeks because at the end of the day it’s really ridiculous to think you can solve violent crime by putting dudes in helmets on the street.
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Re: Serious question. What is the reason for DJT deploying the NG to DC?
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Aug 13, 2025, 11:45 AM
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Re: Serious question. What is the reason for DJT deploying the NG to DC?
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Aug 13, 2025, 12:19 PM
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I think its a legitimate attempt to make things safer for the residents of DC, who seem bound and determined to keep voting for people who hate their guts and couldn't care less if they're murdered in the streets. A nice side benefit is that it keeps the weirdo left talking about how amazingly safe and crime free DC is when any normal person knows its a crime ridden cesspool run by corrupt incompetents. Perhaps the biggest win of Trump part 2 is his ability to keep the Dems taking the losing side of 80/20 issues and this is but the latest example.
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I think for more sinister reasons than some are saying here
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Aug 13, 2025, 1:14 PM
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It's not an Epstein distraction. He and his cronies had this plan long ago. DC is a test run for taking control and propping up "free cities" controlled by corporations and ultimately answering to him. They'll see if this works and then move on to take over other blue cities and oust their leadership. And they hope they can kill some protestors along the way to create civil unrest.
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Re: I think for more sinister reasons than some are saying here
Aug 13, 2025, 1:17 PM
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They will be kicking the homeless out of the parks and relocating them. The serfs are no longer welcome inside the castle walls.
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I wonder how many homeless people will end up in a foreign prison?***
Aug 13, 2025, 1:22 PM
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Clemson Sports Icon [52193]
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Almost like they're following a pattern of history, huh?
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Aug 13, 2025, 1:24 PM
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-Go after marginalized minority group that many citizens hate
-Go after citizens that few really care about
-Who's next?
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Clemson Icon [26068]
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Karoline said that they could also be arrested and jailed.***
Aug 13, 2025, 2:34 PM
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Re: Karoline said that they could also be arrested and jailed.***
Aug 13, 2025, 7:58 PM
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yes, institutionalized
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They fire test rounds the entire time they're doing this, too.
Aug 13, 2025, 2:19 PM
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Remember just a couple months ago, Trump and Noem both said that ICE needs to be in cities that voted Democrat to "liberate" them.
“We are not going away. We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and burdensome leadership that this Governor Newsom and this mayor placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city,'' Noem said, echoing President Trump’s criticism against California Governor Gavin Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass.
Had that been received a little more warmly, we'd be well ahead of just now deploying NG in DC, but since people were mostly "yo, WHAT?", it's obvious it needs a little more conditioning and massaging. The plan marches on, regardless.
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To take power, and look tough.
Aug 13, 2025, 8:19 PM
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It’s all optics and to grab more power.
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There is a Primary reason and a Secondary reason
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Aug 13, 2025, 8:45 PM
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The Primary Reason is to use his executive authority first a uniquely set up city (DC is not an independent city like all of the others in America. It is the specific territory of the US federal government) to fix the rampant crime in this city so that it becomes safe again. ‘Big Balz’ DOGE worker, a person whose clever nom de guerre garnered disproportionate attention to both the WH and the general public, got hurt in classic DC violence; this was the impetus that changed Trump from simply talking (repeatedly) about the need to ‘take control’ of DC to fix its crime problem to take action.
The Primary Reason is simply explained via the Occam’s Razor principle; the simplest and most logical reason is usually correct.
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The Secondary Reason is that the political opportunity was ripe for the ‘takeover’ of the policing / law enforcement aspects of DC’s mismanagement by popularly elected city leaders. DC, as run by Democrat party elected politicians, failed dramatically in their role of managing the city. The DC situation is highly similar to numerous other miserable big cities that are run by Democrat Party officials.
(*). By taking control of the policing function (BTW, the National Guard will work closely with the DC police … whose rank &file officers applaud Trump’s move), Trump will be a big time political winner whether or not hoards if criminals are arrested + imprisoned. The only thing that matters is that violent crime virtually disappears in DC, and that DC’s homeless population gets moved to safe housing somewhere else in America. EVEN IF the DC civilian courts decide to not imprison (the large majority) of violent criminals who get arrested by the Nat Guard & DC police, Trump can point out that DC’s criminal laws are what has been ruining DC.
(*). Washington DC will thus become the template for how a big city’s crime problem gets fixed; the other Democrat run big cities will look awful by comparison. The political optics for the Democrats and their failed governing policies will be devastating for the Democrats in upcoming elections … unless they follow Trump’s lead and copy his ‘get tough on crime / fix homelessness’ approach. Hades will freeze over before that happens.
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out at "clever"***
Aug 14, 2025, 10:22 AM
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