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Orange Immortal [64047]
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Sad observation: if UGA had beat Bama, FSU would have been in the playoff
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Dec 4, 2023, 1:57 PM
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4 undefeated conf champs (UGA, Mich, Wash, FSU). Nice and tidy, no committee thought required.
Committee wouldn't have made up the pass/fail QB injury rule.
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If Auburn could have defended a hail mary...
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:09 PM
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that is the real rub
That and us missing a FG against FSU
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Imagine that, Auburn beats Bama, Bama beats UGA, all SEC schools are
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:13 PM
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eliminated and FSU is in. However, at that point Texas' big win over Bama is a little less and maybe, just maybe Ohio State (yuck) sneaks in at #4 and has a replay with Michigan.
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If I had to take the trade off
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:10 PM
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I think I can live with FSU getting screwed against the prospect of UGA being undefeated for the rest of recorded human history. Or, at least threepeating.
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Orange Immortal [64047]
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true, the important victory was won with getting UGA outtathere
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:13 PM
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everything else is just minor irritation.
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despite my position previously posted
Dec 4, 2023, 2:49 PM
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ad nauseum
I agree haha. FSU and the ACC was a sacrificial lamb to keep the puppy dawgs out.
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Orange Immortal [65896]
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Clemson is 47 plays away from being in the CFP.***
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:11 PM
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Oculus Spirit [42275]
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Nope.
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:12 PM
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FSU's only chance, outside of a miracle healing Travis' leg by 11AM on Sunday, was hanging a handful of touchdowns on Louisville. Even Herbie mentioned during the broadcast about the need for style points. They didn't, and they didn't get in because of it.
Was it unfair that FSU's entire season boiled down to a lack of style points in a conference championship win? Sure.
Were they held to a different standard? Maybe, but I'm unconvinced strongly either way. W
as it the right thing for the CFP to do if the job of the CFP is picking the four strongest teams? Yes.
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Orange Immortal [65896]
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Or: FSU could have just straight up lied about Travis' recovery timeline,
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:16 PM
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saying something vague like 'he's working hard to return and we hope to have him back by the CFP'.
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They messed up their own criteria...
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:18 PM
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And showed their hand that the matchups are cooked for TV and money. FSU had the same body of work as Michigan.
Are these better matchups? Yes. But that wasn't what the CFP said they were about, and now they've made it clear they are. It's irritating to think this easily could have been us if we lost Deshaun or Trevor. And it sets a bad precedent regarding injured players. Finally, the CFP can't be trusted going forward in regards to matchups.
That being said, I shed no tears for FSU. #### em.
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Oculus Spirit [42275]
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Without Travis, was FSU among the top 4 strongest teams?***
Dec 4, 2023, 2:19 PM
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Maybe not but...
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:23 PM
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We're going to let that always be determined by one player's injury?
Do you really think they would have done the same thing to Michigan?
This is their stated criteria for deciding the teams:
"The CFP Committee will consider four criteria when teams are deemed comparable: championships won, strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and comparative outcomes of common opponents."
Nowhere does it say, "Losing your best player knocks you down in consideration."
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Oculus Spirit [42275]
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If Michigan was on the bubble, and barely won their championship?
Dec 4, 2023, 2:42 PM
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Decent chance.
It comes down to what you think the purpose of the CFP is. If you think they should be picking the four strongest teams standing by the end of the year, where record/SoS/domination gets you into the conversation but doesn't guarantee a spot, then they made a hard, potentially flawed, choice but one that follows their purpose.
To disagree, you'd have to disagree with my premise of purpose, or that FSU was still a top 4 team on strength. And, you'd probably be right if you changed those premises.
But from my perspective, the CFP is a de facto playoff system that has to substitute on-the-field outcomes with eyeball tests. In this regard, they made the right call.
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Again, they're violating their own criteria...
Dec 4, 2023, 2:51 PM
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And that's the main beef I have. Of course I'd love to have the best four teams and the better matchups (to which I think this is). They stated clearly what their criteria for selection contains. Then they went completely against it by basing their decision on something as arbitrary as one player's injury, which opens up a massive gaping logic hole into future decisions.
FSU was 3-0 since losing Travis. They were screwed over because they are in the ACC. Period. The committee wouldn't have done this to an undefeated Bama, Ohio State, Michigan, UGA, etc. Yet FSU's body of work is just as good (if not better) than Michigan's.
So did they get the CURRENT four best teams? Yes, but at what cost? They told us all their criteria is a lie. So what is there to trust going forward.
SEC Shorts actually was a lot more editorial this time around and does a pretty good job punching holes into the BS. And they point out the biggest kicker:
Ohio State was the controversial #4 pick in 2014 over two undefeated teams. They had one loss. They were playing with their third string QB. They won it all.
FSU's exclusion is bias, pure and simple.
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Oculus Spirit [42275]
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Again, if you want to go by their own criteria, I cannot argue they didn't
Dec 4, 2023, 2:59 PM
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violate it with leaving out FSU. I would say that's a byproduct of being an imperfect format tasked with an impossible mission, making their "criteria" less set in stone than a moving target. Though, again, you would be right with those standards.
And yes, ACC bias certainly played into it, but is that wrong? While we may have parity with the Big 10, I just can't accept we're at all close to the SEC. Throw blame for that where it belongs, but that is the reality.
I still stand by that they got it right for picking the four best teams for the playoffs, because that is what I see as their purpose.
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What makes you think the SEC was the better conference this year?***
Dec 4, 2023, 6:04 PM
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UGA should have been ranked ahead of FSU
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:14 PM
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since they still had their 1st string QB playin
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Orange Immortal [65896]
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Good thing Bama has a different QB than the one who almost lost to Auburn.***
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:17 PM
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Orange Immortal [64047]
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that's the little tidbit that renders all this as bogus
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Dec 4, 2023, 2:20 PM
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the committee makes up criteria as they go.
If the reason they cite for Bama jumping FSU is QB injury, why isn't that same reason used for UGA, Oregon, Ohio State, on down the top 10, all other teams playing with a "full squad"? What should FSU's REALISTIC ranking be with a 3rd string QB? 15? 20?
It's all such rubbish.
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Had Bama lost to Auburn, the final rankings would have been UGa
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at 4 and FSU at 5.
There was no way THAT committee was going to leave out the SEC.
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Re: Had Bama lost to Auburn, the final rankings would have been UGa
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Dec 4, 2023, 6:13 PM
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Exactly. Plus 1 down to 4 is pretty normal.
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