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No need to hate on OP or BB.
Mar 10, 2013, 6:37 PM
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One is a coach who provided a fun and winning culture. The other is our current coach who is trying to build something.
I posted earlier just regarding missing the OP press style. I'm not smart enough to tell you what Clemson needs, but OPs style was fun to watch. It showed at games in both the players and fans attitudes. Littlejohn was hopping.
I miss that excitement and fun atmosphere.
Hopefully BB can get us there, he just hasn't yet.
Talking smack about OP is like talking smack about TB. Neither got it done but both were Clemson coaches who moved their programs forward and brought the Clemson name into national conversations again. Trashing either one is poor.
Go Tigers!!
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Re: No need to hate on OP or BB.
Mar 10, 2013, 6:55 PM
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I do not hate on either,but one needs to understand that while OP's style was fun to watch, it definitly was not what Clemson needed.Sure OP got us to the Big dance,but it was allways one and done.
Brad got us there last season but with the same result;a play in loss.I do not know that much about the x's and o's,but I do think that with time ,and the right recruits Brad can get Clemson playing competitive basketball.
Injuries this season,defections,the lack of one,or more pure shooters sure didn't help matters.
With a healthy Blossingame,and Coleman back next season,plus this Rooks kid, some improvement in Filer and Roper shot selection and some off seasoning conditioning( in particular Nnoko),maybe Clemson can be more competitive.
However even the most realistic fan knows another season like this one might not bode well for Brad.It sure didn't for Itoro Coleman.
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What OP did wasn't right for Clemson? Are you serious?
Mar 10, 2013, 7:41 PM
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Do you know our basketball history? What Purnell did here was absolutely astounding. And guess what? It's hard to go one-and-done every year in the tournament...because it's HARD TO MAKE THE TOURNAMENT. Ask Coach Brownell about that. And, genius, he didn't get us to the NCAA's last year as you said. We didn't go anywhere because we turned down the CBI tournament--the only tournament that would have anything to do with us. And the only NCAA he took us to was with Purnell's players...that's a fact.
I don't think Brownell can win here. His style needs good basketball players, and good basketball players rarely choose Clemson. That's why what Purnell did was so amazing. He started with athletes that fit his style, and when the style started to work, other players--decent players--took notice. Nobody's taking notice of Clemson now. And they won't until we find a way to differentiate ourselves from the rest of the pack...and what Brownell does doesn't (and won't ever) do that.
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I tired of seeing good teams turn that exciting press into a
Mar 10, 2013, 7:01 PM
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lay-up drill...At least what I see now is a form of basketball...We runs these things called plays now sometimes , those are fun to watch as well...
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Yes, because clearly that's all OP was doing...just running
Mar 10, 2013, 7:35 PM
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a lay-up drill. The press is just playground ball, right? You'd rather see Rod Hall pound the ball in the court for twenty seconds and then watch Milton Jennings try to make post moves against bigger, stronger, tougher players.
What an idiotic argument. Purnell was a winner here. Brownell has not been a winner. That's not to say he won't be, but he hasn't been one yet. He took Clemson to the tourney with OP's players and has done squat since. And next year will be worse than this year.
Keep talking about how Brownell coaches "real" basketball, and all you're doing is showing your ignorance. There's more than one way to win a basketball game...what Purnell did worked. And it put fannies in the seats. And it brought kids who might not've looked at Clemson otherwise. Why in the world would a decent basketball player come to Clemson now? To play in a 50-point-per-game offense?
Brownell may turn out to do great things here, but he better get started pretty quickly, or he'll never get the chance.
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What style offense did OP run?***
Mar 10, 2013, 7:38 PM
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How many games did he win?***
Mar 10, 2013, 7:41 PM
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One less than Brad has...In the Tourney...***
Mar 10, 2013, 8:54 PM
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My man...are you seriously using the win over UAB
Mar 10, 2013, 10:25 PM
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in the PLAY IN game as evidence of Brownell's coaching prowess? That's a freaking joke.
Purnell lost to Villanova (a year before their Final Four run) because the seniors got tight; they lost to Michigan and their screwy 1-3-1 zone; they lost to Missouri, who was a faster, better version of us. Disappointing? Yes. Better than being home for tourney time? YES. Better than what Brownell has done (and will do for the foreseeable future? H--L YES!
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CU Guru [1535]
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He ran a press defense that created turnovers galore.
Mar 10, 2013, 7:45 PM
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That's how we scored. That's how we NEED to score because good basketball players don't consistently come to Clemson, and they never will. So we need something different, and that's what Purnell brought. Who cares what offense he ran? Did you see him blow Duke's doors off? Did you see him take us to an ACC tourney final? Or three NCAAs in a row?
I guess you're happier with what we have now, huh?
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Re: What style offense did OP run?***
Mar 10, 2013, 9:07 PM
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At some points this year, specifically at NC State Brownell was inadvertently running the 4 around 1 offense that Purnell did at times. Everything was going through Booker near the FT line and no one else on the team was helping at the 3 point arc.
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Re: Yes, because clearly that's all OP was doing...just running
Mar 10, 2013, 7:45 PM
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Nice to see a thread where people aren't trashing OP. I understand that people got frustrated at the one-and-dones in the tournament, but Purnell's teams were exciting, competitive and Littlejohn was a great place to watch a game during his years here.
We also won more than a few road games.
The most memorable game to me was at UNC when Clemson almost won a game where, if I remember correctly, the refs gave the Heels more than 20 free throws before we went to the line once. Please correct me if my memory is wrong on that.
Anyway, I hope that kind of excitement comes back some time soon.
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How much fun have you had the last two years watching
Mar 10, 2013, 7:52 PM
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Clemson basketball? How are those plays working out for us? We're really lighting up the scoreboard aren't we? Yep--we're seeing a real quality form of basketball instead of a winning form. Much better, right?
Seriously...you do understand that if you win, it doesn't matter what your game looks like, right? You do know the most recent success prior to Purnell was with Rick Barnes, right? And he didn't play traditional ball here either. He had bruisers, and many times our best offense was getting the ball on the rim and letting Wideman and Jamison go to work. Teams hated playing us then just like they hated playing Purnell's teams. You think anyone hates playing us now?
Doubtful.
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Re: How much fun have you had the last two years watching
Mar 10, 2013, 9:10 PM
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I'm glad to finally here fellow Tigers making since. My biggest problem with Brownell is that he continues to use the same scheme that continues to NOT work. This is bad basketball in my opinion. His style of play relies on shooters, that put up way too many 3pters IMOP. A good coach uses whatever scheme he can to win, which fits the players he recruits. The last time i watched Clemson has 1 maybe 2 decent 3 ball shooters. And at a place like Clemson, especially in basketball, you may have to switch it up. Ask Dabo, who hired a run and gun OC to take Clemson football to a level it hadn't seen in a long time. While I didn't completely agree with OP's scheme or Barnes' for that matter, you can't ignore the winning. And if I'm not mistaken they did it with lesser talent, star-wise if you believe in that!
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Way off
Mar 10, 2013, 9:20 PM
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and you sound like a broken record.
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Re: Way off
Mar 10, 2013, 9:33 PM
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Let the music play Bro! Hopefully the fat lady hasn't sung on Brownell but changes need to be made, either he can make them or DRAD will! That's all I am saying!
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When Purnell was here, the broken record
Mar 10, 2013, 10:15 PM
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was winning...I don't know WHAT kind of record Brownell is spinning.
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