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TNET: Elliott wants to get Etienne more touches on designed runs
Oct 15, 2019, 7:43 AM
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Oculus Spirit [42278]
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Amen
Oct 15, 2019, 7:47 AM
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To the giving ETN more planned touches. I wouldn’t have guessed we were that high rpo. Is that real or deception?
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Re: Amen
Oct 15, 2019, 9:13 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "real or deception". RPOs are all about putting one defender in conflict and making him guess wrong every time. We (like most spread teams) have had a high percentage of RPOs for several years, but college football has a way of reacting to change with change and so defenses have learned to adjust to RPOs.
Venables is a perfect example of the genius needed to counter RPOs. Beating an RPO looks like the interception by Terrell against 'Bama in the NC game - or especially like the interception by Derion Kendrick against FSU this past Saturday. Neither of those plays were really RPOs, but it's about disguised coverages.
Other teams have figured out some of this as well and in combination with our high % of RPOs may be one of the reasons that TL has experienced a greater number of interceptions this year. Trevor is very good at his RPO reads - and extremely quick at making the decision, which may be one of the issues.... he's so quick with the decision that the D morphs into coverage as he's making the throw and he doesn't get the picture until late.
Another issue might have been pass blocking. One of the main goals to defend RPOs is to attack the mesh point. Teams have been doing this to us all year and too often, we've failed to pick up the defender with an effective block, which leads to a blown up play or a skittish QB who makes the throw from a bad position, which can result in a pick.
An effective RPO scheme is based on a spread offense running a fast tempo - another issue of late. At times, we're giving the D too long to set the trap scheme, when it's us who should be trapping them.
My final observation is that RPOs should usually have in the read progression short and long middle-of-the-field passing targets, which we haven't had since Jordan Leggett and Hunter Renfrow.
So, I think we've been successful with RPOs in the past and they became a large part of our offense through habit, even though we didn't have enough talent or training in many of the positions needed to make them work as well as before..... we've been sort of forcing it.
More designed runs may bring the D in tighter, which could open up the passing lanes for us.
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Rival Killer [2601]
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Re: Amen
Oct 15, 2019, 9:53 AM
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Well staff , we've got our offense fixed !
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Hallelujah!***
Oct 15, 2019, 8:00 AM
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Re: TNET: Elliott wants to get Etienne more touches on designed runs
Oct 15, 2019, 8:14 AM
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I played offensive line in high school prior to the RPO scheme. While I understand the concept it always amazes me that coaches have such a high percentage of their play design as RPO's. I would hate, absolutely hate, to have to run RPO now as an offensive lineman. To me it would just confuse the ever living crud as far as a blocking scheme and either cause a loss on the play or an illegal man down field. However, I do feel there is a place for it, just not as a high percentage of play calls. Just line up and call a run or pass based on the pre-snap look and go with it. Trevor is smart enough to check out of situations, and Clemson has enough talent on offense to get enough done even with a not-so-great play call. I think taking the RPO off in more situations makes sense and it is good to see Elliot and company evolving their attack based off of game experience.
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Re: TNET: Elliott wants to get Etienne more touches on designed runs
Oct 15, 2019, 8:39 AM
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Interesting perspective mrheyj. While I didn’t play OL - and I hadn’t considered the challenge of run vs pass blocking until seeing your comment, but upon further consideration though - and imo - calling it an RPO (as I have observed it over the past decade or so) is somewhat of a misnomer. While I don’t know if facts actually back up my thinking, however, I see it usually coming down to the QB reading the DE and keeping the ball, or handing off to the RB. Rarely have I seen/recall the QB take the ball and ’appear to consider’ a handoff to the RB (to let him run it) vice not handing off IOT run the ball himself; or make the third decision to throw the ball. If it is to be a pass, then the handoff to the RB is usually a fake.
But I could be wrong. And I certainly see how an OL - who is assigned to block an LB if the QB opts for a run play - would be challenged!
Those (you) guys don’t get nearly the credit they deserve!
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Re: TNET: Elliott wants to get Etienne more touches on designed runs
Oct 15, 2019, 9:27 AM
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The problem is that third option to throw in your scenario. By the time the QB gets to the point to decide whether to throw or not a huge amount of time has passed. Time that a offensive linemen could be blocking down field or setting up for pass protection. What it forces linemen to do is basically sit and wait, and attempt to run block within three yards of the LOS. That is hard, really hard. And unless the Defensive Linemen and Backers over commit to the run or pass, you basically have a mess with OL not being able to block downfield or truly setup for pass protection, when you would have been better off to just call a pure run play or pure pass play. It just increases the chances to put your OL in bad situations that are extremely hard to win. I have just never been a huge fan of the RPO, except in certain situations where the defense you are playing is vulnerable. Though I will say with as much RPO as Elliot says we run, I am even more impressed with Clemson's OL than before, in that being put in those positions, they win more than they lose....so there is that.
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Me too, and not just zone-reads either.
Oct 15, 2019, 8:44 AM
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More designed runs with mis-direction would be nice.
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Re: TNET: Elliott wants to get Etienne more touches on designed runs
Oct 15, 2019, 8:47 AM
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This philosophy will be helpful in recruiting running backs.
Obviously they want more designed runs.
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Re: TNET: Elliott wants to get Etienne more touches on designed runs
Oct 15, 2019, 8:53 AM
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Most fans have been feeling that way for weeks.He is the play caller and can make it happen.Us fans can’t. Oh I’m sorry he should know that already
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Orange Elite [5383]
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At least TE is willing to change, adjust and learn...
Oct 15, 2019, 9:11 AM
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This is what I like most about him. He owns it! He doesn’t hide from it or make excuses. He got a little too happy on RPO. Now it is time to shake things up a little.
You can thank Mack Brown for that wake up call. He saw the tendency and exploited it on D. TE and Clemson got lucky to survive ole wily Mack.
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Its about time***
Oct 15, 2019, 8:57 AM
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No doubt.***
Oct 15, 2019, 9:09 AM
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Re: TNET: Elliott wants to get Etienne more touches on designed runs
Oct 15, 2019, 11:35 AM
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I surely hope that he doesn't use that shuttle/halfback pass very much. It is a good way to get into the endzone when TD is badly needed bc when an opponents defense don't see it very often, it will get your RB into the endzone. But if he uses it often, it will give our opponent a free 7 points bc they will be ready for it and grab it with free sailing to the opposite end zone, bc before anybody will know they snatched it up, they will be halfway to the other end of the field!!!
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