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CU Medallion [18013]
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How Many Really Believe $50 Million to
Sep 4, 2022, 9:21 AM
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$100 Million to each ACC school is really going to make them play better football? Clemson excluded.
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Orange Immortal [62661]
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Re: How Many Really Believe $50 Million to
Sep 4, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Not the money alone. It's the Jimmy and Joes, always has been, always will. Coaching matters because they convince the Jimmy and Joes to buy in... A la Cristibol at Miami. You need the money to recruit. You need the money to show recruiting you're serious about football. So basically what Dabo did.
So, no, it won't help ALL the ACC schools but it will help in other sports. It hasn't helped ALL the SEC schools, but it's helping them in other sports.
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CU Medallion [18013]
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Re: How Many Really Believe $50 Million to
Sep 4, 2022, 11:47 AM
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That's right Clemgal. The Coaches, Jimmy's and Joe's make the team. Currently, all Power 5 teams only 85 scholarships. As long as Clemson can stay in the top 10 recruiting, they'll have a chance every year.
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Re: How Many Really Believe $50 Million to
Sep 4, 2022, 12:48 PM
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The scholarship limit is no longer true. “Walk ons” can have NIL deals to cover their scholarship cost. Look for the rich schools to load up the roster.
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Re: How Many Really Believe $50 Million to
Sep 4, 2022, 2:18 PM
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So the schools are paying the NIL for walk-ons? If they are, somebody will eventually get in trouble. Boosters may be doing it now but the schools have too much to risk.
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It would make the rest of the conference more viable
Sep 4, 2022, 9:33 AM
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And stop losing to group of 5 or lower level teams in OOC. Probably won’t make them beat average Power 5 programs but the ACC needs to stop losing to Rutgers (low level power 5), ODU, close game with ECU and App State. A win is a win but you don’t see many other conferences losing these types of games, better facilities, nutrition programs, team chefs, etc go a long way in recruiting.
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The problem with the ACC is not money. It's not the commish.
Sep 4, 2022, 9:41 AM
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The problem with the ACC is that most of its institutions have, for a long time, sucked terribly at putting a good football product on the field. And they have no rabid fan support because there are superior options nearby for bandwagoning.
UNC, UVA, and Georgia Tech are effectively dead as a viable football powerhouse.
Virginia Tech now has more reasons to be mediocre now that Beamer and Foster are gone.
Florida State and Miami could still be elite, but they have failed miserably for a long time.
Wake is Wake.
NC State is the South Carolina of the ACC.
Northeastern yankees will never care about college football like the midwest and the south.
Clemson is the only current powerhouse thanks to TDP and Dabo.
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Clemson Icon [24205]
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Louisville could be good though, I think.***
Sep 4, 2022, 9:54 AM
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Re: Louisville could be good though, I think.***
Sep 4, 2022, 12:01 PM
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Louisville peaked at Bridgewater and Jackson.
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Clemson Icon [24205]
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So far, yes. But I see they have the geographical capacity
Sep 4, 2022, 12:04 PM
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to be good soon. Their competition is Kentucky, which they can handle. And there is genuine excitment for college sports in their region.
GT would too, but their fan support is so horrible they are helplessly circling the UGA orbit now. No escape for them.
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Re: So far, yes. But I see they have the geographical capacity
Sep 4, 2022, 12:37 PM
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Louisville's ACC money can't compete with Kentucky's SEC money.
Look at the trend of all their sports in the last 5 years.
Louisville can't compete.
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Money didn't save SCAR from being re-owned by us.
Sep 4, 2022, 1:10 PM
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Louisville can compete with Kentucky despite the TV money disadvantage. It's not big enough to totally wipe away other variables.
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Re: Money didn't save SCAR from being re-owned by us.
Sep 4, 2022, 1:44 PM
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Only a matter of time.
And it's DOUBLE the money. Soon, it will be a lot more than double.
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Re: The problem with the ACC is not money. It's not the commish.
Sep 4, 2022, 4:40 PM
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we've got a lot of small private schools in addition to a exclusive presence in two states where the flagships (UVA and UNC) have never been like a bama or osu or michigan, other flagships. And then we don't have the flagships in the states where it would matter, like Georgia.
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Re: How Many Really Believe $50 Million to
Sep 4, 2022, 9:43 AM
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So what happens if Clemson and/or any other ACC schools go to the SEC, do they lower their current ACC athlete academic standards to match other SEC schools to get the top athlete with minimum college academic credentials?
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Clemson Conqueror [11406]
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Re: How Many Really Believe $50 Million to
Sep 4, 2022, 12:03 PM
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If you look up the academic rankings of the top ranked schools in college football, you aren't going to like what you see. Your point isn't supported.
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If you think 50million won’t make a difference you are crazy….
Sep 4, 2022, 2:36 PM
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Facilities is one thing, along with many others….money talks in many ways
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They already do match SEC. Outside of a few schools,
Sep 4, 2022, 2:55 PM
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when it comes to accepting big time players, all big schools have the same admission standards.
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College football is ALWAYS an "Arms Race". Meaning, you have
Sep 4, 2022, 11:58 AM
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to impress 16 to 18 year olds with your glitzy new facilities, swag, and future plans. Clemson recruiting kicked up several notches when we built DaboWorld". But now, it is just another great football facility in a veritable ocean of them.
Consider this: The DIFFERENCE in our cut from the ACC, and any BIG school's cut from their new deal would be enough to pay for DaboWorld in under TWO YEARS TIME. Just the DIFFERENCE, not the total amount.
Like it or not, money greases AND turns the wheels in college football. Clemson will do whatever it can to remain competitive, but truth is, a major portion of what it will take to do so will have to come from private donations, through IPTAY or one time major gifts. The SEC and BIG have that money coming in every year, guaranteed. That IS a disadvantage for Clemson, any way you slice it.
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Clemson Conqueror [11406]
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Re: College football is ALWAYS an "Arms Race". Meaning, you have
Sep 4, 2022, 12:04 PM
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Bingo. You obviously get it.
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Re: College football is ALWAYS an "Arms Race". Meaning, you have
Sep 4, 2022, 2:44 PM
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It would worth looking up what Big10 schools spend relative to their revenue. Michigan spends almost everything they bring in. That conference supports so many more non-revenue sports than Clemson does. It is a bit concerning that we are committing to more fixed costs by adding lacrosse and gymnastics. Anyhow, we don’t try to keep up with all those extra costs so what we bring in can support the football program. However, it is true IPTAY will have to bring in ever increasing amounts to fund the facilities race.
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Maryland and Rutgers have shown us money doesn't change
Sep 4, 2022, 4:38 PM
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who you are.
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