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Fang Fang wasn't available?***
Mar 21, 2025, 8:02 AM
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Trump = Russia puppet. Musk = China muppet.***
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Re: Trump = Russia puppet. Musk = China muppet.***
Mar 21, 2025, 6:24 PM
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stay delusional
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Re: Trump = Russia puppet. Musk = China muppet.***
Mar 21, 2025, 6:30 PM
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Trump is a Russia puppet, but he doesn't know it. No idea about Musk.
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Re: Make this one make sense to me, Trumpkins
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Mar 21, 2025, 8:08 AM
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I want sharks with frikkin laser beams on their heads.
Maybe? Who knows with the dookie going on in the Trump Cabinet. It’s like the whole bunch was a hold my beer thing.
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The Times article is pretty wild.
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Mar 21, 2025, 8:23 AM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/20/us/politics/musk-pentagon-briefing-china-war-plan.html
"Well, we HAVE to tell him about our operational war plans with China so that he doesn't make us decommission an aircraft carrier that we might actually need!"
No. No you don't. All you have to do is tell Elon "no". He doesn't deserve or warrant top secret war plan information, he can just be told "no". He has deeeeeep financial ties to China, and we're briefing him on operational war plans with them.
This may actually be worse than Idiocracy.
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Re: The Times article is pretty wild.
Mar 21, 2025, 3:36 PM
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I thought a federal judge put put a restraining order on musk and Dodge, he does not need to be there.
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Paw Master [16638]
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I think we have to be fair in our criticism. A couple points:
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Mar 21, 2025, 8:54 AM
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1) Musk IS an American.
2) I don’t think it’s fair to say that he threatened the employees who “gave out that information”. They are threatening to punish someone who leaked Information that they were not authorized to share. That seems like it should be standard practice at the Pentagon. Regardless of anyone’s feelings on Musk or Trump, should someone be leaking a story about how the Pentagon has a meeting on Friday to discuss classified plans on what we will do in case of war with China, and who will be in attendance? Is that productive for the country?
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Re: I think we have to be fair in our criticism. A couple points:
Mar 21, 2025, 8:56 AM
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It's not legal, productive, or even necessarily true, but it gets the kooks all fired up and ready to continue vandalizing Teslas and that's why it was leaked. The easily propagandized morons are easily propagandized. Imagine that.
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Paw Master [16638]
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Yes, that is funny. But whether it is a lie or a leak, punishment is fair.
Mar 21, 2025, 9:43 AM
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Either someone in the Pentagon leaked an upcoming meeting about war with China (I would assume in an attempt to make Musk look bad, but who knows), and should be punished for the leak...
...or...
...Someone in the Pentagon made up a story about a meeting that will NOT be taking place, and should be punished for spreading misinformation about Pentagon activities.
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Paw Master [16638]
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Respecfully disagree. In a time of hightened tension in the world, we do
Mar 21, 2025, 9:41 AM
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not want leaks about "secret" meetings about how we would go about waging a war with the other super power on the planet. Making those plans is just being prudent. Someone telling the world that we are having those talks is just stressing out Chinese citizens and forcing their government to address it.
And I don't know that "ensuring a government agency with sweeping powers to cut budgets is aware of what it would take in the event of a war with China" can be neatly summed up as "cronyism". I think this is how large organizations do, and should, operate. To be fair, I think if it was anyone but Trump and Musk, and instead of being called "DOGE" it was called "Internal Audit and Budget Review", most people would be very supportive of the idea that the Pentagon not only proactively keeps them informed of budgetary needs and why, but would be very upset if the Pentagon acted like they shouldn't have to explain their budget.
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Re: I think we have to be fair in our criticism. A couple points:
Mar 21, 2025, 9:44 AM
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Musk is a naturalized citizen who still claims citizenship with South Africa and Canada, which a direct violation of the oath and COULD be grounds to revoke his citizenship. Very rarely happens, though.
Otherwise, he is unelected and has no official position in the government. Without waivers, he would never be eligible for even the lowest clearance level. The whistleblowers did good.
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Paw Master [16638]
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What oath requires a naturalized citizen to renounce their previous citizenship?
Mar 21, 2025, 9:57 AM
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Naturalized citizens can hold multiple citizenships. And regardless of whether or not we COULD revoke his citizenship (and I do not see how...certainly not because he has other citizenships), that does not change the fact that he is, indeed, an American.
Also, Elon Musk does hold a position in the government. According to this article, he has joined the administration as a Special Government Employee:
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/13/nx-s1-5293124/special-government-employee-trump-musk-doge
He is unelected...like the Secretary of State is unelected. Are you under the impression that the Pentagon does not meet with unelected people to inform them of budget needs?
According to this article, he ALREADY has Top Secret security clearance:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/16/elon-musk-government-security-clearance
So I am not sure what waivers he would need?
Now, I realize that there are levels above Top Secret, but who knows the level of details that were to be discussed in this meeting? It's not up to Musk to ensure the Pentagon doesn't share too much info...it's up to the Pentagon.
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Associate AD [1096]
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Heres the oath
Mar 21, 2025, 10:47 AM
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"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
Generally, people claiming dual citizenship are denied clearances. And he is famously a user of illegal drugs. He only has a clearance because of waivers.
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Paw Master [16638]
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Yes, very good. So let me run through this logic...
Mar 21, 2025, 11:56 AM
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1) You claim that he could have his citizenship revoked as a naturalized citizen with citizenship of other countries. So, I am not sure how many naturalized citizens we have who did not renounce their other citizenship(s), but it is not a requirement of the US that they do so. Say half of them keep their other citizenship (because why wouldn't you). According to this site, 2.6 million people have taken that oath in the last three years. Say about 1 to 1.3 million maintained their other citizenship. Are you saying that ALL of them can have their citizenship revoked under the claim that it violates the oath they took? That's REALLY the message you want to put out there to a pack of hungry MAGA supporters?
https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship-resource-center/naturalization-statistics
2) I have no idea how hard it is to get TS clearance with other citizenships. I do not that it is not a disqualifier for TS clearance.
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Re: Yes, very good. So let me run through this logic...
Mar 21, 2025, 12:45 PM
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It is generally a disqualifier for a clearance. This came up 25 years ago (either at the end of Clinton or beginning of Bush) when some in Congress were starting to claim Irish citizenship based on their grandparents and their clearances were revoked. Most of them were restored, but they were all natural born US citizens. The government (executive) can use any reason to deny a clearance and doesn't have to reveal that reason (as decided by courts many years ago).
Also, lying on any portion of the N-400 could be used to revoke citizenship. That is what Trump is planning to do by claiming people were supporters of terrorists or somesuch at the time of attestation. Reading through the questions, it's hard to believe Elon was truthful on all of them. Denaturalization is starting sometime soon, that is if Trump can't just disappear the citizens he wants to get rid of into a Salvadoran prison.
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Re: I think we have to be fair in our criticism. A couple points:
Mar 21, 2025, 10:23 AM
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1. Okay, I'm clearly missing something. I can find 100 links that identify Elon Musk's citizenship as "American". I realize he also holds Canadian and South Africa citizenship but to say he's not "American" makes no sense to me. Perhaps you are using a different definition than "Citizen of the USA"?
2. Perhaps none. Perhaps he isn't the one doing the hunting. I don't know. I simply don't object to the concept that a Pentagon official who either leaks non-public information about a meeting or lies about a meeting that doesn't exist should receive some sort of penalty. I work for a private company and it would probably get me fired. And we don't deal with life-and-death stuff.
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Re: I think we have to be fair in our criticism. A couple points:
Mar 21, 2025, 10:49 AM
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1. It's just my personal opinion and I'll refuse to recognize a foreigner of his amoral and anti-American status as "American". I get it; he's technically a citizen. But he's an embarrassment to our nation.
2. I don't object either if it's top secret, but I also think someone needs to be sounding an alarm if that ### clown is being included on such sensitive meetings. It's making it clear more and more that Trump isn't the one in charge.
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He's less American to you than gang members that entered illegally.
Mar 21, 2025, 10:52 AM
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#unhingedlibmorons
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Tiger Titan [48604]
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Well, right now, those gang members...
Mar 21, 2025, 11:11 AM
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Aren't trying to dismantle our democracy and create chaos on a federal while completely overstepping Constitutional authority AND likely pocketing money while accessing all of our data to give to teenage hackers and do God knows what.
Right now, those gang members are just trying to steal ammo in Summerville.
But the tattoos!
So yeah, at the moment, Elon is a far bigger threat to our nation than those guys.
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Elon was an illegal immigrant and is currently destroying the Government....
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And for some reason you and others are cheering this on. So, not only are you a hypocrite for now supporting illegal immigrants, you also are un-American for cheering on Musk/DOGE's destruction of the Federal Government.
Congratulations.
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Lol, it was all a lie. GD you're a sucker.***
Mar 21, 2025, 8:58 AM
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Trump and Musk wee all lathered up in their posts.***
Mar 21, 2025, 9:02 AM
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Re: Make this one make sense to me, Trumpkins
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Mar 21, 2025, 9:34 AM
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Who knows why he's going and you definitely don't need to know since you continuously admit you have the mental capability of a 6 year old. Go outside and play and don't bother the adults.
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Re: Make this one make sense to me, Trumpkins
Mar 21, 2025, 9:39 AM
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Is it a leak or a lie?
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Tiger Titan [48604]
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All I need to know is he doesn't need to set foot in that building
Mar 21, 2025, 10:21 AM
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He's practically a Chinese asset.
And you haven't had a single intelligent post in your entire posting history of this site. Not one.
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We are shocked that they leaked, shocked I tell you
Mar 21, 2025, 9:39 AM
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So disingenuous. They just are not a subtle group of politicians.
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Re: Make this one make sense to me, Trumpkins
Mar 21, 2025, 11:02 AM
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I imagine some of his company's equipment may be used if there is a war with China, like some has been used in the Ukraine war.
Are there any more quotes from Musk regarding this story other than, "they will be found"? I would hope the leakers are found.
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Re: Make this one make sense to me, Trumpkins
Mar 21, 2025, 11:09 AM
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I love the wording of this opening sentence though
“They will be found,” warns U.S. President Donald Trump’s billionaire adviser as White House lashes out at the media.
"Warns U.S. President Donald Trump's billionaire adviser as White House lashes out at the media."
He'd make a pretty good grocery store novelist 😆
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