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Related to the Dabo Anti-Vaccer Discussion


Jul 22, 2021, 3:15 PM

Having been a former service member went back to my PHS-731 USDHH Vaccination Record and see I have been vaccinated against over 25 different global diseases. In the 25 years since getting most of these vaccines I have not grown a third arm or gotten nutbag cancer. Not that I blindly trust the govt. to do what they say, but in the area of vaccines, my personal experience tells me they are as safe as any other crap I do. I don't get the anti-vaccer fanatics and I feel bad when one of them takes the dirt nap challenge, but frankly you earn your own demise if you don't get the shot and you can live with that then so be it.

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Re: Related to the Dabo Anti-Vaccer Discussion


Jul 22, 2021, 3:24 PM

The overwhelming number of people I know that's not willing to get the vaccine are not anti-vaxers as y'all like to call them. Just because someone doesn't trust this vaccine doesn't mean you're against all vaccines. Don't lump them in the same group. Heck most of the people I know that's not getting this one usually get a flu shot every year.

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Clemson doesn't care about basketball....as evidenced by Brown-L getting 14 years.


Unfortunately, this is creating a division ...


Jul 22, 2021, 3:34 PM

... of vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated ... maybe on purpose.

However, if someone wants to take the vaccine, that's their choice. If someone doesn't want to take the vaccine, that's their choice. No one should be forced to take it.

There's a lot of information about the vaccine out there and each person should do their own research to make an informed decision.

History will bear out the side (if either one) was right. It might turn out to be a non-issue.

But for now, let's all join together and work to solve the other serious issues the country and world are facing.

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Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ...


Jul 22, 2021, 4:00 PM

But there is nothing to work out. We already joined together, sat at home, closed up shops, isolated so that we had time to confront the virus while not overwhelming the healthcare system.

The solution is the vaccine(s).

At this point, I am done with it. Lets just take the average cost of a Covid infection hospitalization and apply that as a tax. It is about $50K and up, work out a formula and apply that cost to the % unvaccinated. Then apply that as a new tax for not becoming vaccinated. Listen, knowingly being a vector for an infectious disease is not choice as it causes acute economic harm. Have the anti-covid vaccine folks pay for the higher costs from the infection.

History is quite clear - see Typhoid Mary - folks will intentionally disregard the health and safety of others because they "don't believe or assert false medical concepts". Its one's own choice to take heroine, drive drunk, or burn whatever in dry conditions and high winds but we don't accept this behavior because the consequences are too steep.

I am a libertarian (especially in economics) but this is one facet that I strongly disagree with my fellow enlightened brethren. I am a strong proponent that the government should not interfere in personal liberty, bu this is no longer a case of personal liberty. This is the social contract for the need of social benefit -- and protection. I am a strong proponent of the police power (its in the constitutions - health safety and general welfare). There is no voluntary option, this isnt an opt in/out type of social contract. I am literally "done" with listening snowflakes claiming that it is a choice as there are those out there without a true choice.

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we need a fat tax too. BMI over 25 10% surcharge 35, 50 %


Jul 22, 2021, 4:06 PM

40 100%.

Alcohol surcharge would be beneficial too.

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We Need a Transgender Tax Too


Jul 22, 2021, 4:07 PM

They cost society

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To an extent it already exists...


Jul 22, 2021, 5:44 PM [ in reply to we need a fat tax too. BMI over 25 10% surcharge 35, 50 % ]

BMI can be a factor in insurance premiums... especially life insurance, but occasionally health insurance as well. There are already alcohol taxes in many states and sugar taxes in others.

If one believes in free market insurance, then adjusting insurance premiums based on risk factors could conceivably include whether or not a person is vaccinated for COVID. Similar to adjusting them for BMI, Smoking Status, or Medical History. Some of these a person has some degree of control over and some they don't.

Compared to Smoking Status or BMI, the presence or absence of COVID vaccination should be a smaller risk when it comes to premium cost. So my guess is that it would add a couple dollars a month in premiums to those that were not vaccinated.

The tax idea is just an offshoot of this designed to impact all people and not just those on private insurance. I'd rather just incorporate it into insurance premiums out of the two, but I think discussing either is a reasonable discussion.

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Re: To an extent it already exists...


Jul 22, 2021, 5:49 PM

A couple dollars a month additional premium on life insurance for non-covid vax? That's absurd...especially if we continue to see cyclical variants and an eventual booster like the annual flu shot.

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Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ...


Jul 22, 2021, 4:07 PM [ in reply to Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ... ]

Someone with your views have absolutely no business being a doctor. What you're calling for is an all out civil war.

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Clemson doesn't care about basketball....as evidenced by Brown-L getting 14 years.


I usually like reading your posts...


Jul 22, 2021, 4:20 PM [ in reply to Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ... ]

they tend to be objective and measured, but this one is almost over the top.
1. The vaccine does not prevent infection, the best case scenario is that an infection after taking the vax will help prevent death, but people have still died from a Covid infection triggering that persons morbidity.
2. The antibodies that the vaccine produces are no more effective than the natural antibodies produced in those who have been previously infected and recovered.
3. The biggest issue that you infer is not the biggest issue with the virus, but rather the variants that always evolve from previous viruses, and there is science that literally contradicts itself as to whether the current vaccines are effective against the various variants.

We all should honor social distance and masks when indoors because the virus does travel the same way most infectious diseases travel; through our exhaled breath. When outside and can honor social distance, please do, and honor anyone's request to maintain social distance should they ask.

Personally, I have become acutely aware of the smell of other people's breath, and don't want to be close enough catch that aroma ever again, nor whatever may be traveling in it whether it be bacteria, virus(es), or the smell of smoke, beer, onions, doritos or halitosis...

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Re: I usually like reading your posts...


Jul 22, 2021, 5:20 PM

Over the top, it is kinda getting to that point with dealing this this junk (the virus and people
's reaction to it).

Here is my other side of the take - I don't think that we need the government to continue to mandate distancing/masks etc as a blanket behavior. Government should not enforce behavior and civil interactions. The states do and have this capacity within their powers, however the impacts via interstate commerce kinda make parts outside the states capacity to control. I also don't want the waffling back and forth have a checkboard effect in "should/shouldnt". It is unenforceable going forward, especially with mixed vaccinations.

Back to the idea of the taxes. How much money has this country tossed at people, giving corporations, and then spent on this? I ABSOLUTELY dont want to keep paying for this.

How about we stop handing out money to those that are unvaccinated? Tax credits, nope. Refunds, nope. "Stimulous" nope. It isn't like we have to hand out that money and then build in a % tax.

We can tax (in theory) basically anything. We can also give credits, and discounts on basically anything too.

As for your third point, the variants are spreading because there is an unvaccinated population that is maintaining its carrying capacity and then acting as an unprotected vector. Basically, the vaccinated are the dry timber of the forest fire. Again, the vaccines are against the spread and it is a numbers game. Even at 68% efficacy with the Pfizer vs the Delta, the vaccine is effective. Think of it like football, imagine if on every defensive play, you had a 68% chance on causing a turnover. g Stopping a drive dead. Sure, it won't stop any points from happening, but that would be a DC's dream. That is the vaccine.

The best policy way to nix "dangerous" behavior is to tax it, especially if the "ban" is impractical. I rather have a tax than a government mandate.

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Jul 22, 2021, 11:31 PM [ in reply to Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ... ]

I’m sure these kid’s parents are rethinking their decision. He’d likely get Covid and worst case had the same as a cold. And lifetime immunity. There was no reason for him to get the vaccine.

https://twitter.com/hammermancunian/status/1418363593050009603?s=21

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Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ...


Jul 22, 2021, 11:52 PM

Reading that tweet is a perfect example of everything that’s wrong in America today and it’s because of social media and the main stream media and the Democrats. Covid has killed according to the statistics a little over 600,000 people in America. But we know for a fact that those deaths are being over counted, many of them are because of stupid decisions by politicians, stupid decisions by doctors early on, and incompetency by doctors and politicians. I would be willing to bet at least 100,000 of those people did not die from Covid or died because of incompetency of politicians and doctors.

We’re talking about less than 1/2 of 1% of the American population. A true pandemic wipes out 10% to 50% of the population or more. Just read a history book people. But yet this woman who has actually very little to fear from Covid states that she is paralyzed with fear! That is insane.

I see people screaming at others to not go outside or to wear a mask even outside. I see people riding around in the car by themselves wearing a mask. All of these people are idiots. There is zero evidence that you need a mask outside. Not now not ever. 80% of the people that have died from Covid in America we’re 65 or older. 80% of people that have died of Covid in America were obese and with diabetes. Less than 1200 people under the age of 25 have died of Covid and most of them had medical issues. But yet people are scared to death of this. Talk about irrational fear. And it has been created by the Democrats and the media and idiots like these #### liberals on this board.

These people absolutely deny science and the facts of the virus and the vaccine. And there’s supposed to be the party of science! They’re a bunch of ####### idiots and morons. and they are supporting fascist government edicts.

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Lay off the crack for a while***


Jul 23, 2021, 7:44 AM



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Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ...


Jul 22, 2021, 11:46 PM [ in reply to Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ... ]

There is something seriously wrong with you. You are one of the most arrogant narcissistic people I’ve ever seen on this forum. If you’re so great if the Democrats are so great why are blue states dying in red states thriving. Why are so many people live in California and Pennsylvania and Ohio and New York and New Jersey and flocking to Texas and Tennessee and South Carolina and Florida and North Carolina and Georgia? Blue states are dying. Red states are thriving. New York and California have been a disaster doing Covid, Texas and Florida have been beacons of Open freedom. The Democrats are going to get slaughtered in the midterm elections next year. 50% of Democrats right now would not vote for Kamala Harris. Most Democrats were to operating brain cells understand what’s going on and they do not like it. Millions of Democrats would vote for Trump right now in a heartbeat if they could. Joe Biden is a functioning dementia moron! The presidential administration of your party is working in conjunction with big tech to censor people. That is a clear violation of the First Amendment.

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Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ...


Jul 22, 2021, 11:47 PM [ in reply to Re: Unfortunately, this is creating a division ... ]

Do you think you’re smarter than Brett Weinstein his wife Heather? Tenured professors at Evergreen State College, the most progressive college in America? Both have a PhD in biology. Both admitted lifelong Democrats and progressives. Both talk about the fact that they have been vaccinated dozens of times because of all of their trips to Africa and the Amazon doing research. But they refuse to get this vaccine. If you consider them conservative or Trump voters it’s because you’re delusional. These are people on the left that are educated that are saying #### this vaccine!

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Shouldn’t quote those clowns


Jul 23, 2021, 7:53 AM

It’s embarrassing

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any opportunity the left has to divide, they will***


Jul 22, 2021, 4:04 PM [ in reply to Unfortunately, this is creating a division ... ]



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Re: any opportunity the left has to divide, they will***


Jul 22, 2021, 5:38 PM

Can't wait until August and your supreme leader will return to office in all his glory and re-unite our country. You right wing nuts never cease to amaze me with your blatant stupidity.

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Re: any opportunity the left has to divide, they will***


Jul 22, 2021, 11:32 PM

Right back at you - moron.

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Re: any opportunity the left has to divide, they will***


Jul 22, 2021, 11:43 PM [ in reply to Re: any opportunity the left has to divide, they will*** ]

Your party is irrational and insane and fascist and supports BLM and antifa who are communist and BLM just supported the government of Cuba oppressing their people. Your party is the party of identity politics and some of the most corrupt politicians in the history of America. And that’s beyond the Kennedys and the Clintons who are among the most corrupt politicians ever in this country. Liberals and progressives have brain damage. You are anti-American anti-democracy anti-capitalism anti-Constitution. The most racist people I see every day in this country are Democrats.

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That is a big effing joke, or just the result of an addled


Jul 24, 2021, 3:24 PM [ in reply to any opportunity the left has to divide, they will*** ]

brain. Division in this country used to be over real issues - taxes, slavery, fascism. Nixon turned it into the racial divide that defines every little thing you do in life today as a mindless Trumper. That traitor Trump dialed it up 100 dBs and encouraged the ultra-racists to come out in force. Most of them will burn for eternity.

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There's a lot of information out there alright. A lot of it


Jul 22, 2021, 4:32 PM [ in reply to Unfortunately, this is creating a division ... ]

is bad information, and a lot of it is incomplete information. On top of that, thanks to the way information is presented and provided, most people who "do their own research" don't know what they think they know. People usually just comfirm their own biases when doing so. Having said that, I don't believe the government should force anybody to get this vaccine; it should be a personal decision left 100% up to the individual. I just wish there were a cure for stupidity.

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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
- H. L. Mencken


What The Heck Should We Call Them????


Jul 22, 2021, 3:43 PM [ in reply to Re: Related to the Dabo Anti-Vaccer Discussion ]

They don't want a vaccine that literally BILLIONS of people have safely taken. What should I call them "Kinda Anti-Vaccers"? They are the people who are keeping the world from returning to it's normal brand of idiocy and getting off this COVID clown show.

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Re: What The Heck Should We Call Them????


Jul 22, 2021, 3:50 PM

Roughly 1B have been vaccinated globally. Plenty, yes...not billions.

The difference here is the emergency use "stamp of approval" that is granted for the various versions of this vaccine. That, and the highly controversial politicization of this disease, is what gives people more pause than normal about whether or not the vaccine should be taken. I think there's also the fact that almost every other vaccine any of us has ever been administered was done when we were children, and they have decades of data to highlight their safety.

So, no, being hesitant about the Covid vaccine is not the same thing as the nutcase factory that is anti-vaxxers.

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Re: What The Heck Should We Call Them????


Jul 22, 2021, 4:02 PM

If the "anti-vaxers" are not getting the shots because of the "emergency" authorization, are they going to rush out and get the shots in August when Pfizer is expected to get the full approval?

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Re: What The Heck Should We Call Them????


Jul 22, 2021, 5:04 PM

Dunno...ask them. As I said, I think there are a few factors driving the decision of those who elect not to get vaccinated.

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Dumbest Response of the Year


Jul 22, 2021, 4:03 PM [ in reply to Re: What The Heck Should We Call Them???? ]

Over 4B shots have been given. Lrn to Google.

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Re: Dumbest Response of the Year


Jul 22, 2021, 5:01 PM

Dumbest misrepresentation of the year. Approx 1bn people are fully vaccinated. 1.04B to be exact. It's literally the first table that pops up when you google "how many covid vaccines have been administered".

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Sorry 2B***


Jul 22, 2021, 8:37 PM [ in reply to Re: What The Heck Should We Call Them???? ]



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your last sentence is the problem


Jul 22, 2021, 4:57 PM [ in reply to What The Heck Should We Call Them???? ]

"They are the people who are keeping the world from returning to it's normal brand of idiocy and getting off this COVID clown show"

WHY is that?? This "world" should ALREADY be back to normal. It shouldn't matter ONE BIT who does or doesn't have the vaccine.

BOTTOMLINE: it's available to EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY has had ample amount of time to get the vaccine if THEY CHOOSE........if they don't then that's their own risk and the vaccinated shouldn't be "punished" for that.

I got vaccinated, therefore I should be able to go ANYWHERE (Planes, restaraunt, crowded indoor space, hospitals, Dr. offices) without a mask..........while I can go a lot of places w/o one currently, I can't fly w/o one, I can't enter the hospital w/o one, he!! I can't enter my Vet's office with my dog even with a mask (WTH??!!)..........that's where my beef lies.

I don't care whether you get the vaccine or not, but that shouldn't restrict anything that I do.

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Re: your last sentence is the problem


Jul 22, 2021, 5:21 PM

100% agree

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Re: Related to the Dabo Anti-Vaccer Discussion


Jul 22, 2021, 3:29 PM

After reading many of your posts, my belief is that your side effects have been psychological.

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To Deal With "The Touched" MFers Here You Need to Be Crazy***


Jul 22, 2021, 3:39 PM



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Re: Related to the Dabo Anti-Vaccer Discussion


Jul 22, 2021, 3:42 PM

The anthrax vaccine given to service members during the gulf war has been connected to a host of long term side effects, but you didn’t grow a third arm so everyone else is stupid.

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Sure as heck beats the effects of Anthrax***


Jul 22, 2021, 3:44 PM



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That's all the proof I need!


Jul 22, 2021, 4:03 PM

I'm going to get the jab tomorrow now. Thanks!

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Re: That's all the proof I need!


Jul 22, 2021, 4:28 PM

Happy for you. Happy I am not forced to get one. I don't agree with anyone on everything Hopkins included but I stand with him on this one. Freedom?

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Re: That's all the proof I need!


Jul 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

Tell us how you feel about seat belts, lol

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Re: That's all the proof I need!


Jul 22, 2021, 8:02 PM

Kinda like helmets. Personal choice. Or "abortion" or my 9mm. Disagree with only one but only one seems to be protected by my choice.

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Re: That's all the proof I need!


Jul 22, 2021, 8:02 PM [ in reply to Re: That's all the proof I need! ]

Kinda like helmets. Personal choice. Or "abortion" or my 9mm. Disagree with only one but only one seems to be protected by my choice.

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I’m vaccinated but


Jul 22, 2021, 4:32 PM

If I had a practical choice not to do it, my rationale would be the irrationality of the left.

you win more than you lose doing the opposite of what the left says they want!

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my opinion is to each their own when it comes COVID vaccine


Jul 22, 2021, 4:44 PM

if you want it..........get it
if you don't............don't get it

BUT, DO NOT force masks, regulations, social distancing, limited capacity, etc.... on ANYBODY ANYMORE. It's available to EVERYBODY now so EVERYWHERE should be open full capacity & no restrictions, but that's not the case. If the vaccine "works" like they say then there's no need for it..........and if there is a need for it then we shouldn't be getting the vaccine to begin with.


I got the vaccine for 2 REASONS:
1. so I could burn my masks and never wear one again
2. in the off chance they decided to "require" vaccine card to get into a PACKED Clemson football game.

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Re: my opinion is to each their own when it comes COVID vaccine


Jul 24, 2021, 12:11 PM

Vaccinated or otherwise, I don't want people that I don't know to be in my personal space anymore. So, if someone asks you to not be so close up on them that they can feel, hear or smell your breath, please respect it as their choice to not huddle with people that they do not know... and please, FOR GOD'S SAKE, say nothing to them about wearing a mask in close quarters, it's their choice to be vaccinated but still wear a mask and social distance...

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Re: Related to the Dabo Anti-Vaccer Discussion


Jul 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

Is there a delta strain booster vax out yet?

Should we wait for the lambda strain(two for one) booster?

Can we get the gamma booster with a side of delta/lambda?

Can I get the monkeypox vax with red tide, typhoid fever prevention starter kit?

These are important questions that need to be addressed for us fear mongers.

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Re: Related to the Dabo Anti-Vaccer Discussion


Jul 22, 2021, 5:26 PM

I’ve had covid. I will not be taking the vaccine. People continue to ignore the fact that people who are post covid but unvaccinated are as protected as the vaccine folks.

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Possibly moreso...


Jul 24, 2021, 12:17 PM

the human body is an amazing creation, it should be respected enough that we give it all the nutrients it needs to be able to fight foreign invaders with minimal support from lab grown formulations...

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If you care about what another person does with their body..


Jul 22, 2021, 5:33 PM

The problem is most likely with you and not that person. We supposedly live in a free country, let people do what they want. If a person is scared of the virus, get the vaccine. If you have some issue with the vaccine, then don't get it. It's really that simple.

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Re: Related to the Dabo Anti-Vaccer Discussion


Jul 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

Go die of Lou Gehrig’s

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