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What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 1:40 PM
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I will say right off the bat, it isn't much. Yes, changes are needed. I am sure changes will be made. I am not sure they happen today or this week, based on what I am hearing. It's just not Dabo's style to make these in-season changes. I understand the defensive coaches have been hosting a recruit and there was a supper last night and even breakfast this morning. There is a staff meeting this afternoon, probably before our call with Coach at 6, and I guess we might learn something then.
As for Neff's appearance in Dabo's press conference, I have been told he was there to show support for his head coach and that their interaction in the locker room after the game was "friendly."
Like I said, this is what I have, and it's not much. And like I told someone earlier as I was digging for info, I don't need clicks, I just want to be right. This is, as far as I know, where things stand right now.
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 1:44 PM
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As always, thanks David!
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 3, 2025, 11:34 AM
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It is really nice when somone in the know posts that they don't know. No gaslighting and bull chat.
Thak you.
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Re: What we are hearing
Nov 3, 2025, 11:34 AM
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lol Thank you too
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is it the same Dabo style when Kelly Bryant was cut?
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Re: is it the same Dabo style when Kelly Bryant was cut?
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Nov 2, 2025, 1:58 PM
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Bryant wasn't cut. He quit on the team and announced his intent to transfer after game 4 of that season.
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Re: is it the same Dabo style when Kelly Bryant was cut?
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:09 PM
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With a lot of encouragement…
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Re: is it the same Dabo style when Kelly Bryant was cut?
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:14 PM
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Nope. Go look at Dabo’s words. He stated that TL16 earned the right to go on the field first.
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Re: the true story is not this
Nov 2, 2025, 2:54 PM
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LMAO ok sure
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Re: the true story is not this
Nov 3, 2025, 4:02 PM
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If you can't tell your true story then it isn't!
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Re: is it the same Dabo style when Kelly Bryant was cut?
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:13 PM
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Please go back and research. Kelly quit on his team when the better player earned the start over him. Go look how Cole Stout and Jalen Hurts both handled similar situations. I was one happy person when Hurts earned his Super Ring because the guy is a class act.
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Re: is it the same Dabo style when Kelly Bryant was cut?
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Nov 2, 2025, 3:13 PM
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Exactly right. People want to make up things to fit their narratiev ..... facts don't seem to matter.
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Re: is it the same Dabo style when Kelly Bryant was cut?
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Nov 3, 2025, 8:09 AM
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And how did that season work out after TL became the starter?
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Re: is it the same Dabo style when Kelly Bryant was cut?
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Nov 3, 2025, 11:31 AM
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TL16 won a NC in his true freshman year!!!
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Re: is it the same Dabo style when Kelly Bryant was cut?
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Nov 2, 2025, 3:04 PM
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So you want coaches fired because players are making mistakes and condemn benching a player who was the 2nd or at best 3rd QB on the team. It's probably good Bryant decided to redshirt because I still don't think Bryant beats Syracuse after TL is hurt like Chase Brice did.
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Heads need to roll now just to show we are a serious program.***
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Re: Heads need to roll now just to show we are a serious program.***
Nov 2, 2025, 2:19 PM
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‘That Which Must Be Done Eventually Should Be Done Immediately.’
Former FL AD Jeremy Foley said that when he fired Ron Zook (FL head FB coach).
(Zook was canned before the regular season had finished. That is not to suggest that Neff should fire Dabo immediately. It is to suggest that Tom Allen should be fired; ‘eventually’ if FSU scores a bunch of points against us next week, win or lose.)
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National Champion [7305]
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Re: Heads need to roll now just to show we are a serious program.***
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:22 PM
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Allen inherited position coaches and defensive players. Please give the man some time to bring in his people and recruits.
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Re: Heads need to roll now just to show we are a serious program.***
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Nov 2, 2025, 5:43 PM
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Compare our defense last year vs our defense this year.
Next, tell me who were the impact players in D that we lost from last year and the impact players on D that joined for 2025 season.
Finally, point out players on D who continued to develop favorably (personal skills) from last year to this year.
Put it all together, and our overall personnel strength is clearly better in 2025 vs that from 2024.
Why, then, has our defense become so much worse in 2025?
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Kissinger...***
Nov 2, 2025, 2:58 PM
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Re: One of my favorite quotes, and I use it a lot, but
Nov 2, 2025, 5:39 PM
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Yes, Kissinger was the more prominent historical figure associated with that phrase, but he was a mere Secretary of State.
Jeremy Foley was an Athletic Director at U of FL.
Be real. Which position has more gravitas where it counts? (Of COURSE it’s the FL AD.)
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Re: Heads need to roll now just to show we are a serious program.***
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Nov 2, 2025, 5:47 PM
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I dunno … you tell me.
Foley hired Charlie Strong (one year bust) followed by Urban Meyer (won 2 national championships under UM).
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Re: Heads need to roll now just to show we are a serious program.***
Nov 3, 2025, 12:07 AM
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Yeah...because that "solution" has worked so well the last couple of years. Let's keep doing the same thing...expect different results...and not address the real issue(s).
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I didnt say which head needs to roll.***
Nov 3, 2025, 8:25 AM
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Orange Elite [5568]
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Blah. Not what I wanted to hear but thank you, Hood!
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Nov 2, 2025, 1:45 PM
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Keep up the good work!
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Someone absolutely has to be fired this week
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Nov 2, 2025, 1:48 PM
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You cant be this bad and just go on with business as usual.
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When you're making $$$$ for descendants you'll never
Nov 2, 2025, 2:55 PM
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know you can.
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Are you hiding in the bushes today?***
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 1:51 PM
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Hear ya re "Dabo's style". It is not his style to make midseason changes. But that is an example of the very concern many have - is Dabo ever going to be willing to adjust "his style" when his style has proven to no longer work?
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TigerNet Zenith XVII [∞]
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 1:52 PM
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That is a very valid point and concern.
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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When is the last mid-season change Clemson made within the AD?
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Nov 2, 2025, 1:57 PM
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And if they made one, why? They even waited for the contract to expire for Brownell's lying pos assistant.
Is it Dabo or Clemson?
Even the idiot, DRad, waited on a HOFer and now Clemson has been apologizing to Coach Leggett for being stupid.
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CU Guru [1555]
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They fired Bowden mid-season***
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He wasn't fired, he stepped away, but that's a good start...***
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:01 PM
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and Dabo fired Rob Spence.
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Bowden was absolutely forced out, that's why we had to pay him***
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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Again, you're a liar, TDP did not intend to fire TB, TB offered his resignation.
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:30 PM
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No one forced TB to do what he did. No one.
The decision became mutually accepted, and the 3.5 became a thing.
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CU Medallion [19119]
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Another fairy tale...just like your prom date story and your latest " but but
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:35 PM
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but I was trying to get banned for a year multiple times" BS...If he quits of his own volition, we don't have to pay him
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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You've always been a liar, and an idiot, which for a supposed Clemson man...
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is a shame.
Why do you hate FM so much? Because you're jealous? Can there be another reason for you sitting in wait of any post you'd hope to snipe?
He's so much better than you, so much smarter than you, maybe, as stupid as you are, you realize it and lash out accordingly?
Deer lowered find some guidance or betterment.
https://www.si.com/college/2008/10/13/clemson-bowdenresigns
Truthfully, you're simply too stupid to be in this, or any of these conversations.
B-Meist®, I apologize.
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CU Medallion [19119]
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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings picking on poor little Francis...I would expect
Nov 2, 2025, 4:24 PM
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people with formal training to have thicker skin... but here we are
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We're here because you're not bright enough to have a civil conversation...***
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Says the name caller who can't help but try to make it personal every time...
Nov 2, 2025, 9:12 PM
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hilariously predictable
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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You lied about PJ & in this thread concerning Tommy Bowden, nothing but truth.
Nov 2, 2025, 11:54 PM
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Why don't you leave FM, viz and everyone else alone; they're simply better people than you.
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CU Medallion [19119]
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You've been banned for a racist tirade once and again for your "prom joke"
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antics...You're absolutely the last person qualified to critique behavior on this board
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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And here you are, still lying.***
Nov 3, 2025, 12:06 AM
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CU Medallion [19119]
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Lucky for you most didn't see why you were banned for the 2016 season huh?***
Nov 3, 2025, 12:11 AM
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Said the drunken racist pedo with the multiple year long bans to prove it...
Nov 3, 2025, 12:16 AM
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Good Times, Good Times
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Will I just lie like you and say I did it on purpose though?***
Nov 3, 2025, 12:22 AM
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All for the morale of the board right?***
Nov 3, 2025, 12:37 AM
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Got drunk and took one for the team, that's your story right?***
Nov 3, 2025, 12:40 AM
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You said you got banned on purpose... for morale right?***
Nov 3, 2025, 12:45 AM
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Is that not what you said though?***
Nov 3, 2025, 12:47 AM
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Then that's the version I'm going with...Board morale...Definitely not drunken
Nov 3, 2025, 1:05 AM
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pedo creeper territory...Board morale...For a year
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He's also apparently not bright enough to understand the post hes
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referencing. That post was not about me, or anyone else in particular, it was an observation about people (men) in general. Which, by the way, is being proved accurate by his perceived ability to fight with words in this thread.
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Re: What we are hearing
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David, from what you are seeing and hearing, do you think Dabo still has the fire and drive to reach for the top of college football again? That might answer the next question of do you think he has what it takes to make what will be for him some very hard decisions? Thanks
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Re: What we are hearing
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If I remember correctly, Rob Spence was fired by Dabo between the time that Tommy Bowden got fired and KO of Dabo’s first game as HC vs GA Tech.
Mid-season dismissal of a coordinator.
Is my recollection wrong?
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Re: What we are hearing
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You’re exactly right.
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Re: What we are hearing
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Yes and Napier became the OC
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Re: What we are hearing
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Dabo and Napier shared the OC job from mid-year 2008 through season end 2010.
(I’m convinced that Dabo wanted to wear both the HC and OC hats because he figured that he wouldn’t be HC for long; he was hedging his bets in hopes that he might land a OC job after Clemson fired him. Thanks to Dabo’s superb recruiting, our Tigers had developed into an offensive juggernaut with the convergence of hired-gun Chad Morris as OC and the quartet of T.Boyd, D.Hopkins, S.Watkins, and A.Ellington. Dabo’s future success as a HC was then secured.)
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In-season changes have never been his style. We are going to have to ride this
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It'll be interesting with what happens this winter.
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Dabos style - the Clemson Dabos***
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Re: Dabos style - the Clemson Dabos***
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Feels a little like the Bobby Bowden situation. Great Coach, but at some point it just ends. Rather needs to end. More interesting question is will you get good players next year? It's always the players not the coaches. Plus the sideline rant. I'm probably leaning more towards, everyone more on. Modern day divorce
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Re: Dabos style - the Clemson Dabos***
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Fine with the sideline rant. That part was totally on the safety. Basic football knowledge.
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Nov 3, 2025, 12:12 AM
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of CFB make Dabo's circumstances unique as a 55 yr old HC & winner of 2 National Titles at the same school where he's now faltering-
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:08 PM
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Can you imagine that recruit after a game like that and the post-game mood of those coaches he broke bread with?
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Thanks David!***
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:11 PM
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Thanks, David. I know it isn't his style but...
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:13 PM
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... I would not be shocked to see some sort of "reassignment of responsibility" if not a complete firing today.
It has been clear for weeks, and Dabo made it VERY clear yesterday he was EXTREMELY upset with the DBs, specifically the play of the safeties.
Here are the job responsibilities for Mickey Conn, from the Clemson website: Defensive Pass Game Coordinator/Co-Special Teams Coordinator/Safeties
He is not only the safeties coach, he is the defensive pass game coordinator.
I don't care how good a friends he and his family are with Dabo and his family, I can't believe he will be on the staff next year. Do you think Dabo might relieve him of at least "pass game coordinator" this week?
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Re: Thanks, David. I know it isn't his style but...
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:14 PM
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Maybe coach Reed needs to coach the entire secondary?
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Re: Thanks, David. I know it isn't his style but...
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Nov 2, 2025, 4:38 PM
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Dabo's rant at the DB's was also directed at Conn.
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Was that before or after Conn was yelling at Allen?***
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:15 PM
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Culture above all.
Misplaced priorities at the moment
Another sign of incompetence
There are times when exceptions must be granted. Now is that time
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:24 PM
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Great work as always David. I am hoping that a couple of position coaches are sent packing today. The defense yesterday looked like the Keystone Cops.
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:46 PM
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On Neff's appearance in the press conference, what you were told sounds like a spin job to me. I may be wrong, but I view what Neff did as a "power play" by a boss that I've seen more times than I can count.
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the issue is. dabos style is out dated it no longer works***
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Nov 2, 2025, 2:55 PM
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Any insight or opinions to the BOT? We all know that they ultimately make all of the big decisions, as they should.
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 3:17 PM
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I mean honestly at this point I think I'd rather see Dabo move on from Allen than Riley during the season. Allen seems like a great guy, but this is the worst defense I think I've ever seen in my 40 years.
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 3:52 PM
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Our stubborn controlling head coach probably doesn't let either one do their job and keeps their hands tied behind their backs with the portal.
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Re: What we are hearing
Nov 2, 2025, 3:50 PM
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Is Con Job sabotaging the defense because he is jealous of new guy Allen? Just asking. The reportedly hissy fit and infighting yesterday sure points that way.
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 3:57 PM
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David….
strongly suspect you know more, but aren’t sharing it with the masses. Respect that. My concern isn’t with assistant coaches…but what changes are being demanded of CDS.
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I dont think anything is being demanded of Dabo.
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Nov 2, 2025, 9:20 PM
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Clemson leadership seems to still be in the “we’re not worthy” stage with Dabo.
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Re: What we are hearing
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Nov 2, 2025, 4:02 PM
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We are stale and need some turnover.
Controlled turnover is good as it keeps people on their toes and infuses the organization with new ideas and energy.
We need some in the coaching staff and with the players. I want to see our team outraged and show passion.
I was sitting behind the Duke bench and several of their players prepared a round tray of drinks for those coming off the field - they were supporting each other and refreshing to see.
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Not his style is also part of the problem. Also part of the problem,
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Nov 2, 2025, 4:19 PM
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if he did fire mid season just mostly a bunch of undeserving, inexperienced nepo guys to slide into the interim role to held fill those gaps.
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and some players need to be fired mid season as
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Nov 2, 2025, 4:24 PM
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well since they are being paid. Seriously, street clothes go to class and figure that part out yourself. See how that looks to other teams when you enter the portal.
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Re: What we are hearing
Nov 2, 2025, 6:00 PM
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You’re doing a great job walking the ‘Go Tigers / Go Dabo’ vs ‘FB Team needs Changes’ tightrope.
Keep your balance!
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Re: What we are hearing
Nov 2, 2025, 9:15 PM
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Thanks David
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Nov 2, 2025, 9:33 PM
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Always checking and appreciate the integrity in reporting. Good press conference questions about Conn/Allen. Several reports around about issues between players/coaches and coaches/coaches it appeared to be more of an issue and you asked. At the same time Sports Illustrated reported on K Barnes poor body language blow off of Dabo Swiney and these are public issues for Tigers and recruits. Some reports also say defensive coaches on benches being very subdued per season ticket holders near bench compared to prior years. Fans see the issues between player/coahes, coaches/coaches and non-caring emotions from both-apparently we are all seeing things.
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Re: What we are hearing
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Hey DavidHood®️ appreciate the.." don't need clicks, just wanted to right." statement...
Go Tigers!! 🐅 💪
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Re: What we are hearing
Nov 3, 2025, 8:18 AM
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To sum it up, there is no update.
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Re: What we are hearing
Nov 3, 2025, 8:20 AM
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In other words, we should get ready to embrace "mediocrity". Got it. "Best is the Standard" should be immediately taken down from the practice center if that's the case.
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Re: What we are hearing
Nov 3, 2025, 8:22 AM
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Hopefully it doesn't mean just that all of the same people will just try harder.
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Nov 3, 2025, 12:57 PM
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Thanks David !!!!!
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Re: What we are hearing
Nov 3, 2025, 1:44 PM
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I hope Dabo accesses everything from strength and conditioning , coaching changes, practice habits, how he hands out offers and portal use just to name a few.
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