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Tiger Titan [50696]
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Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 11:33 AM
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A school/athletic director voting "yes" to play football this year is on the good list, and one voting "no" is on the bad list?
Is that correct?
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Opposite for you***
Aug 10, 2020, 11:36 AM
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Tiger Titan [50696]
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I don't really care anymore.
Aug 10, 2020, 11:42 AM
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I'm so tired of the drama surrounding all of it.
I realized weeks ago that there wouldn't be a football season this year. Some people here kept buying all the optimism and P.R. from those in charge, but it was clear that a season wasn't going to happen - and if it did, it wouldn't go very far.
Am I sad that there won't be a football season? Absolutely! But I also realize that there are more important things like health and safety. And football's importance in the pecking order of life would've meant constant wringing of hands each time a new COVID case or COVID death occurred as a result of college football. It would've been a huge distraction.
I'd rather focus on getting the virus under control and behind us so that we can return to life as usual. The hope is that we can have a normal season in 2021, and 2020 will just be a weird footnote in history.
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Top TigerNet [29924]
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That’s the problem though
Aug 10, 2020, 12:22 PM
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It can’t just be a weird footnote if football isn’t played. It’ll adverse it affect the athletic departments all over the country for many years. It’ll greatly damage college athletics and will be very hard to bring back
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Tiger Titan [50696]
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So how many lives are you okay sacrificing just
Aug 10, 2020, 12:24 PM
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to preserve college football programs?
Give me a number.
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All-Conference [431]
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Re: So how many lives are you okay sacrificing just
Aug 10, 2020, 2:09 PM
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The lives of the players?
There is well over a 99% chance that someone in their age range will have mild to no symptoms with Covid and no lasting negative effects.
"For those ages 1 through 24, even a wildly out-of-control Covid-19 pandemic that exceeded the worst-case scenarios and killed 5 million Americans would appear to pose less risk than cars and trucks and boats do in a normal year."
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-07/comparing-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-with-flu-driving-fatalities
Now the lives of other personnel is another question.
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Tiger Titan [50696]
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It's not just the players who are at risk.
Aug 10, 2020, 2:19 PM
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It's the players' families, coaches, staff, etc.
My main concern with players getting COVID is who they might transmit it to. I'm not as worried that players will die from it, although there are certainly cases of otherwise healthy young people dying from it.
My secondary concern with players getting it is their long-term health. Some scientists suspect that COVID's sequelae might be more significant than initially thought.
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Dynasty Maker [3354]
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So you are saying???
Aug 10, 2020, 3:27 PM
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We should stop playing the game because of a souped up cold? Concussion and broken bones, etc. are not as bad as a virus?
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Tiger Titan [50696]
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I don't understand how any of those things are related.
Aug 10, 2020, 3:40 PM
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How many people have died from the common cold this year?
How many college football players have died from a concussion or broken bone (both of which are obvious risks of playing football)?
COVID-19, which has killed many people this year alone, is not a normal risk factor associated with playing football. And unlike a broken bone or concussion, it can be transmitted to other people.
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Dynasty Maker [3354]
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So you are saying???
Aug 10, 2020, 3:27 PM
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We should stop playing the game because of a souped up cold? Concussion and broken bones, etc. are not as bad as a virus?
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Re: It's not just the players who are at risk.
Aug 10, 2020, 4:13 PM
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#### judge, how is it down there in the basement. you act like nobody ever got sick before march 2020. what do we do next year when the next bug comes in. oh wait, never mind, there will be no election next year.
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Tiger Titan [50696]
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That, plus all of the potential injuries
Aug 10, 2020, 3:41 PM
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is evidence of how dangerous football is.
COVID makes it much more dangerous, not just for the players, but for everyone associated with the game (coaches, staff, families, etc.).
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CU Guru [1260]
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"much more dangerous"??
Aug 10, 2020, 3:47 PM
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Sounds made up.
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Re: So how many lives are you okay sacrificing just
Aug 10, 2020, 3:54 PM
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How many are you? Because people die every year, directly and indirectly, from college football. People die traveling to and from games. People die in the stands. Players have life changing injuries and even die. None of that even begins to factor in the transmission of disease that occurs at these events. The flu kills roughly .1% of everyone who contracts it and is certainly prevalent during football season. So, once we shut it down, how many deaths are you okay sacrificing to reopen college football? The upper boundary on Covid infection fatality rate is now estimated at less than .3% (way down from the 1-3% original estimates that instigated lockdowns) and, unlike the flu, Covid doesn’t have the benefit of 50+ years of vaccine availability and a robust annual vaccination program. Covid is significantly less deadly than the flu to anyone under 60. I assume that we shouldn’t reopen until all communicable diseases are eradicated.
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Game Changer [1796]
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As many as it takes, expand the rosters 200 if necessary...
Aug 11, 2020, 6:35 AM
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force the basketball team to suit up by threatening to yank their scholarship. That doomsday rhetoric and hyperbole you're spouting is only compelling as an introduction of the subject matter to someone whose perspective is a blank slate.
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CU Guru [1260]
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Again, and this is a serious question -
Aug 10, 2020, 3:10 PM
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What does, "get the virus under control" mean?
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Paw Warrior [4755]
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Re: Again, and this is a serious question -
Aug 10, 2020, 4:01 PM
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This is an excellent question that it seems many of us are avoiding. I think the medical experts have set some benchmarks that they think give evidence that we are exerting some level of control over the virus - for example - at least two weeks of a downturn in the number of cases and hospitalizations. That should be a minimum before reopening any significant aspect of our society.
Unfortunately we have repeatedly refused to adhere to their standards or follow their guidelines.
I believe that we could play football (reasonably safely) in four to six weeks, if we agree that there will be no fans at the games & no tailgating - TV only. It would take the strict, universal sanitary guidelines that the players are calling for and then some. It would require significant expense to ensure that all facilities were as safe as reasonably possible. But it could be done.
Unless one is willing to agree to that, the idea that fit, young athletes probably won't suffer any significant negative consequences misses the point. Tens of thousands of people at the ballgame and in the parking lots will refuel this pandemic and spread the virus to many people back at home and in these communities at large - especially with the still consequential percentage of people who refuse to wear masks or practice social distancing. That's the national health concern - not the players.
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 11:36 AM
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The yes voters are patriots. The no voters hate America. ????
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Tiger Titan [50696]
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That's right, the no voters are evil liberals
Aug 10, 2020, 11:42 AM
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from Yankee states who don't understand football and want to see it fail.
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Re: Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 12:21 PM
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Yes voters don't wear no masks. No voters hate America and wear masks with images of Stalin on them.
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Re: Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 11:37 AM
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Schools with resources (Clemson included) will likely provide more protection for players against COVID than the players would being at home with no built in protections.
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Tiger Titan [50696]
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That's great, but the problem would be when/if
Aug 10, 2020, 11:44 AM
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Clemson plays a school that doesn't have those resources and hasn't taken the same precautions to protect its players and staff.
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Re: That's great, but the problem would be when/if
Aug 10, 2020, 11:53 AM
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exactly - it’s almost as if the responders to poasts get absolutely nothing. you are correct, it’s not about clemson - it’s about our opponents
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Orange Immortal [65487]
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I wonder, if a player dies this fall from Covid, would that
Aug 10, 2020, 12:21 PM
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be reported on the news? Or would they just gloss over it?
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Dynasty Maker [3317]
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You can bet your sweet jimmies that it would be front
Aug 10, 2020, 2:23 PM
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page news everywhere!
And naturally, it would be President Trump's fault.
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Orange Immortal [65487]
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Exactly!***
Aug 10, 2020, 2:54 PM
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Re: That's great, but the problem would be when/if
Aug 10, 2020, 12:20 PM
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That is why ACC chose to go conference only with the schedule. ACC schools have the resources to do it right. In fact most of not all power 5 schools have the resources.
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CU Guru [1260]
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Here's a cool suggestion.
Aug 10, 2020, 3:53 PM
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Don't.
All teams must have the same precautions in place. These players are living a more controlled and tested life than you. By going out of your house and entering into public place are a greater risk than repeatedly tested and environmentally controlled lives of athletes. Are you willing to stay FULLY sequestered in your home until a vaccine? I bet you're not doing it now. Everytime you go out in public, you are posing the same risk or greater than players in a controlled and tested environment.
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Ring of Honor [22109]
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A b-ball analogy just for Da Judge, there’s no slam dunk
Aug 10, 2020, 12:20 PM
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right answer. Complexity with uncertainty freaks some people out and creates emotional rants.
From a fan perspective, I say let them play _ but I ain’t accountable for any negative outcomes.
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Re: Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 2:26 PM
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I share your frustration.
If folks actually bothered to continue or even take basic precautionary action from April-July, we would not even be having this discussion.
However, someone decided that PPE (personal protective equipment) was a political statement. That not wearing a mask, dining out, and that haircuts were a "necessary". Somewhere personal responsibility was shoved off in the name of making a political statement.
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Tiger Titan [50696]
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I wish I could give you more than 1 TU.***
Aug 10, 2020, 2:28 PM
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Re: Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 3:25 PM
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yep - the usa needs folks who are “centered” and “normal” - not abnormal and clearly f’d up. if you are married to a political party, then you have issues. major major issues
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Re: Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 10:45 PM
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Agreed!
yep - the usa needs folks who are “centered” and “normal” - not abnormal and clearly f’d up. if you are married to a political party, then you have issues. major major issues
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All-In [27366]
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Yes.
Aug 10, 2020, 2:26 PM
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But I still don't think you understand.
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Tiger Titan [50696]
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And I don't think you understand.***
Aug 10, 2020, 2:55 PM
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Re: Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 2:58 PM
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Asks the tireless Brad Brownell supporter.
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Game Changer [1605]
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Re: Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 3:50 PM
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Let me try to explain it to you, Judge! Players can opt out and keep their scholarships! So, it is their choice whether they play or not. Not our choice. And most of them will have better health care at Clemson than they would at home. I will defer to their choice.
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You bunch of pansies! You could never handle Rollerball
Aug 10, 2020, 4:18 PM
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Jonathan! Jonathan! Jonathan!
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Re: Just so I understand
Aug 10, 2020, 4:30 PM
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A school/athletic director voting "yes" to play football this year is on the good list, and one voting "no" is on the bad list?
Is that correct?
Will you agree the same criteria will apply once discussion about canceling the basketball season begins sometime in early October?
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Oculus Spirit [41146]
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This has been a long time coming
Aug 11, 2020, 7:00 AM
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Is it too much? Maybe
Do we not like it? Yep
Do we have any say on the matter at all? Nope
The doomsday scenarios on both sides are a little over the top.
They probably could play in a relatively safe way. We don’t know what would happen.
It may destroy college athletics as we know it. Be we don’t know what will happen.
No tailgating, no fans, no band, etc isn’t college football as we know it.
Only in conference games isn’t college football as we know it.
No national championship or bowl games isn’t college football as we know it.
What if an entire offensive unit were to contract COVID and have to quarantine for 2 weeks and we lost to WF and UNC in those back to back weekends? Do you put an asterisk in the history book saying it wasn’t actually fair because the offense had a souped up flu?
It really comes down to the liability of all of the schools, conferences and NCAA.
If that 1% of young people were to catch COVID and die or if a coach got it and died would you want to be defending yourself in that lawsuit?
We all want college football, we will just have to accept this year.
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Just curious, Judge Keller??
Aug 11, 2020, 8:02 AM
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When should college basketball start?
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