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All-In [10492]
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Gun Control
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Mar 30, 2023, 5:05 PM
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A few thoughts on gun control in the aftermath of the latest school shooting:
Background Checks - there are already some in place in most states that check criminal background
Mental Health Checks - this is highly subjective. How does someone get classified as "dangerous"? There's all sorts of mental health issues. Some more serious than others. Unfortunately, many don't truly manifest until it's too late. Do we risk banning guns from those who have issues that would likely not contribute to violence so that we MIGHT be able to keep the out of the hands of those who MIGHT be violent? What about the families of those people? Do we confiscate those guns so that the ill person can't get them?
Bans - will never work. America - like it or not, for better or for worse - was founded by guns. As a relatively new nation, we are one of the few that was. Guns have always been a part of American culture and life. If we ban any certain type of weapon now, there are still hundreds of thousands of that same weapon out there. All a bad guy or mentally ill person has to do is steal one, which in most cases, wouldn't be that difficult. I'm all for charging people who had their firearms used in a violent crime because they did not store them securely. What to charge them with? - that's a whole different story.
Confiscation - will never work. Confiscation implies there's a law. Who follows the rules? Bad guys or good guys? You know the answer. Bad guys won't give them up. And how would they be confiscated? Door to door searches? Neighbors snitching on one another? Ultimately any attempt would be grossly unconstitutional.
So what's the solution? I don't know. If I did, I'd be a millionaire consultant right now. If I was principle or mayor or governor, I'd be all for letting select school employees be armed. They would be trained by local police and it would not be known to the school who was armed. Better security. Schools are getting better. There have been massive failures - cops waiting an hour to respond and doors propped open that allowed a shooter to gain entrance - that could have prevented or minimized the casualties. Training, training, training. The fact that only 3 kids were killed in Nashville is a testament to the response of the police and to the safety measures of the school.
That's the problem - "what's the solution?" It's not an easy answer, and politicians and activists want easy answers. It ain't happening. Love your kids. Teach them to respect themselves and others. Get them help when needed. Report them if necessary.
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Re/ Mental health
Mar 30, 2023, 5:10 PM
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The MH docs, psychiatrists etc, are a big part of the problem here. Their sacred doctor/patient silence has caused many of these disasters. There needs to be change with that.
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Oculus Spirit [43161]
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yeah those doctors think
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Mar 30, 2023, 5:25 PM
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chemical castration of minors and mastectomies before adulthood are forms of medicine
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CU Guru [1538]
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Just make stuff up
Mar 30, 2023, 6:07 PM
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It makes you feel good and believe it more.
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Re: Just make stuff up
Mar 30, 2023, 7:24 PM
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Do you have a real weener or do you wear a fakie?
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CU Guru [1538]
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Such BS
Mar 30, 2023, 6:06 PM
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Did you just make that up? Gun proliferation and AR 15 are the problem. Mental health has always existed
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You don't have a frickin' clue. "AR15! AR15! AR15!" Pathetic***
Mar 30, 2023, 8:43 PM
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Oculus Spirit [43161]
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I can think of 2 or 3 on here that could be turned in for
Mar 30, 2023, 5:22 PM
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being dangerous.
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All-TigerNet [10134]
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Re: I can think of 2 or 3 on here that could be turned in for
Mar 30, 2023, 5:59 PM
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The problem here is that the politicians want to make the issue, well political. Everyone wants schools safer, but when it comes down to it is that you hear “we shouldn’t have our children go to a place that makes them feel like they are on lockdown.”, or that security feature or this security feature or additional guards would be to expensive” . People take their money to the bank to to keep it safe. People put most of their valuables at home in locked safes. The U.S government guards gold and currency under armed guards and state of the art security features. High profile individuals most of the time has security personnel around to keep them safe. The U.S president keeps dozens of highly trained and armed guards no more than 5 feet from him at all times. We use high security features for banks, court houses, airports, concerts sporting events but we don’t use them on schools?
Are you telling me that all of these things are more valuable than your own children? Your kids security has a price on it? Yet we #### away hundreds of billions of dollars ( US tax dollars) each year to countries around the world when we can’t protect our own children? No, we are too worried about possibly installing litter boxes inside classrooms or should we make a gender specific bathrooms in public schools
How about adding controlled access with metal detectors? One entrance only at all times and that one entrance has an armed guard at the metal detector and another guard patrolling the premises. Why not have compartments in student’s desk that are equipped with emergency items?
Take a look at the places where all of these mass shootings take place. Always in a gun free zone and it’s against someone who CAN NOT DEFEND THEMSELVES because no one around them are armed. There is a reason these sick, cowardly individuals target schools. They will meet no resistance! Don’t you think there is a reason they don’t pick other gun free zones to commit mass shootings? They won’t pick court houses, they won’t pick airports, they won’t pick banks and they won’t pick sporting events. You know why? There are armed guards around every coroner in most of these places. It’s not that hard to figure out.
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Re: Gun Control
Mar 30, 2023, 6:32 PM
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Good post. My problem with your confiscation point is that it ignores that, for instance, Australia had success with confiscation.
And the "well the bad guys never obey the law" logic suggests we should have no laws.
Not that we could get stringent laws on the books with this SCOTUS, anyway, but I figure it is better to deal with the problem incremental rather than say that it is an impossible problem to solve.
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Re: Gun Control
Mar 30, 2023, 7:02 PM
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Good post. My problem with your confiscation point is that it ignores that, for instance, Australia had success with confiscation.
And the "well the bad guys never obey the law" logic suggests we should have no laws.
Not that we could get stringent laws on the books with this SCOTUS, anyway, but I figure it is better to deal with the problem incremental rather than say that it is an impossible problem to solve.
Additional security measures will be easier to fix than gun laws.
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Everyone needs to stop fkn whining and
Mar 30, 2023, 7:11 PM
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raise their fkn kids to respect others; nothing more is needed.
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Re: Gun Control
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Mar 30, 2023, 7:33 PM
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hunter biden lied on his form, no charges
enforce existing laws, then circle back
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