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Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 5:34 PM
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not sure what exactly he is referring to (mechanics, playing out of system, etc) but trent dilfer says TLaw and DJ completely ruined by Streeter. hear for yourself
OutKick (@Outkick) Tweeted:
"What's going on with DJ right now at Clemson is probably the most egregious thing I've seen... DJ's gotten worse." - @DilfersDimes
@HuttonOutKick @TheChadWithrow @Jill_Savage https://t.co/6woCwxsfiC https://twitter.com/Outkick/status/1452001320903200769?s=20
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 5:39 PM
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Say what you want about his pro career, but he knows the position and works with all of the top guys at Elite 11
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 5:54 PM
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Sorry SammyDub, but just because a former QB works with HS'ers at an Elite 11 Camp does not come close to anointing T.Dilfer as some sort of super QB guru.
The REAL gurus work with Pro QBs to get them squared away when things go wrong.
T.Dilfer is a smart guy, but incredibly arrogant as his own success was due to having a TREMENDOUSLY talented team (esp. Defense) to put his team over the top in the Super Bowl.
Think of T.Bradshaw and his Super Bowl rings ... T.Bradshaw and the entire Steelers offense became Super Bowl legends because of the legendary Steel Curtain defense.
J.McMahon as QB of the 1985 Chicago Bears was another of those so so QBs that rode on the back of a super O-Line and some big play WRs ... and of course the Bears Monsters of Midway defense.
But Bradshaw and McMahon were far more talented and a better big play maker than the modestly talented and self-proclaimed QB guru T.Dilfer. But T.Dilfer is smart enough to get a cute gig for himself as a QB guru ... if not him then some other so-so ex-NFL QB would take the job.
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 7:45 PM
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This is such a dumb argument. Most of the best coaches were not hall of famers or even pro bowlers. Most of the elite coaches were bench warmers at best. Not being an elite player has nothing to do with how good of a coach you are.
The fact is neither you nor I know exactly how much of a qb “guru” he is because we don’t know the position like he does and haven’t lived it our entire life. But from what I can see is he’s done some pretty good things with these qbs and they say he has.
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 8:17 PM
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Never heard any criticism of his QB analysis, he's been at it awhile. Wish he would shut up about it though, mess around and eph up the CK verbal-
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 9:42 PM
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His resume as a player makes no difference, neither do your opinions of him as a coach or QB critic. What matters is that he has an audience with top high school QB’s who heed his advice. Perception is reality and your opinion on Trent Dilfer carries no weight in that circle. This has the potential to do some damage in recruiting.
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All-In [10856]
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He played qb in the nfl.
Oct 24, 2021, 10:24 PM
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You can say what you want but he’s a lot more credible than a lot of people paid to talk about it.
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TigerNet Immortal [176279]
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He's got more street cred with QB development knowledge
Oct 24, 2021, 10:35 PM
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than Streeter does, which matters a lot more than why you think he won a Super Bowl.
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 5:42 PM
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He’s not wrong, T Law was just so talented it made up for it. Look at his freshman year and compare it to his junior year he definitely didn’t get better but like I said his natural talent just made up for it. Everyone calling for TE job when the absolute first change should be Qb coach
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 7:09 PM
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He’s not wrong, T Law was just so talented it made up for it. Look at his freshman year and compare it to his junior year he definitely didn’t get better but like I said his natural talent just made up for it. Everyone calling for TE job when the absolute first change should be Qb coach
I posted DW4 and TL16 Clemson stats last night and TL improved his QB Rating each year while at Clemson. Dilfer has never seen DJ in a uniform in front of 50,000+ crazy fans and 300 pounders coming at him (except from a distance on TV). Dilfer has only seen him in shorts playing catch. Do you think there may be a hidden advertisement for his elite camp somewhere in his rant.
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 7:17 PM
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Quite possibly wouldn’t put it past him, his interception rate also went up each year, I’m not just talking about statistically either. The best TL we saw was his freshman year, TLs pure talent is enough to cover up for any short comings really. Dj also played in front of a packed house in ND last year with 300lbers coming after him and broke records he looks totally different. But none of us know if that’s on him or coaching. My personal opinion is before letting go of TE we should get a certified QB genius to work with QBs. We are consistently in the running for the nations best QBs and if they keep regressing the way DJ has they might change which none of us want. My personal opinion can also be a hundred percent wrong truth is none of us know anything really, we aren’t in the building with the guys
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 8:14 PM
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I don't disagree something needs to be done.
TL had 4 INTs in 2018 with 11 starts, 8 INTs in 2019 with 15 starts, and 5 INTs in 2020 with 10 starts. Nothing out of the ordinary there. Not only did his QBR go up each year, his completion percentage also went up. 90 TD Passes to 17 INTs ain't to shabby. On the other hand DW went backwards and finished with 90 TD Passes to 32 INTs.
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The running game dropped off pretty hard over those years
Oct 24, 2021, 10:35 PM
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So he was forcing the ball more.. IMO
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Re: The running game dropped off pretty hard over those years
Oct 25, 2021, 7:36 AM
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So he was forcing the ball more.. IMO
Exactly and why was DW4 (and even TL16 at times) forcing the ball? I don't know why, but I can guarantee Dilfer and everyone here that Dabo, Scott, Elliott nor Streeter were telling any QB to force the ball.
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Saddis and all
Oct 24, 2021, 8:11 PM
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If you like that Ferrari doing exactly 70mph, then T.E. & Streeter are your guys.
If any of you believe Streeter & T.E. understand the QB position better than Dilfer, then shine on you crazy diamonds!
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Re: Saddis and all
Oct 24, 2021, 8:35 PM
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I think Dilfer only cares about his wallet and the money he gets from his camps. When did anyone on TNet (besides the reporters) and/or Dilfer go to a Tiger Coaches meeting, QB position meeting, film review or even a practice to see what is going on with the QBs? My guess is none. If there is a problem with any of the coaches, I'll leave that up to Dabo and no one from the outside.
All Dilfer is saying is that I'm smarter than Dabo so send your little QBs to my camps and don't forget to safety pin that big fat check to his T-Shirt.
Now don't get me started on the stale archaic playbook and OL recruiting!
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Re: Saddis and all
Oct 24, 2021, 8:54 PM
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Thanks for the smart reply. Agree with most of what you're saying and that Dilfer no doubt likes to build his brand.
Still, I believe Dilfer, as a 1st round draft pick and average NFL QB, understands the QB position better than Dabo and T.E. (two 3rd string college recvrs).
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 25, 2021, 9:10 AM
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That is incorrect, TL16 progressed significantly.
Each year he was better and not only that but becoming more and more efficient at the higher level is a lot more challenging.
However with DJ, shesh....
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 5:42 PM
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Not a good look for us. Funny how last year these experts were saying Clemson players improved while here, we were really good at player development. All of sudden, now not so much - ugh!
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 5:46 PM
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Not to mention, DL development is down under Bates, RB development is down under Spiller, WR development is down under Grisham. All great guys, but all subpar coaches, imho
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Huh?
Oct 24, 2021, 6:12 PM
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How is DL development down? Or RB? What's down at WR is talent level.
And maybe the difference between Trevor's freshman year, when he had a veteran OL and was throwing to Higgins, a healthy Ross, Renfrow and Amari was that his junior year he had a poor OL and just Amari and Powell.
Dilfer knows nothing of the situation
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Oct 24, 2021, 7:41 PM
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I think the first two are crazy. Clemson's defensive line is still elite despite missing key pieces the past few weeks. Clemson has 3 incredible running backs, two of whom I think are NFL potential (which I did not think Etienne was, despite how amazing he was in college). The wide receivers are questionable with all the drops, but I put that largely on DJ for rocketing nothing but bullets at them, and we've had a ton of injuries at that position.
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The only legitimate coach we have is Venables
Oct 24, 2021, 5:43 PM
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the rest are amateurs, and it’s finally starting to bite us in the butt.
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Re: The only legitimate coach we have is Venables
Oct 24, 2021, 5:48 PM
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WHat about OL? He is kind of old to be an amateur. Anyway, I agree with you overall.
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Re: The only legitimate coach we have is Venables
Oct 24, 2021, 5:56 PM
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Venables and Reed are the 2 most recent “outside” hires we have made. They are our 2 best coaches on the staff. Just saying.
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 5:48 PM
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That a pretty strong statement and I’d hope he wouldn’t say that unless he feels like he’s 100% accurate about it. Definitely not a ringing endorsement for future QB recruits to see.
In my opinion TLaw has his best year as a Fr. Maybe multiple reasons for that
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He had two healthy labrum as a freshman, tore his left one
Oct 24, 2021, 5:53 PM
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two games into his sophomore season...That's a big reason for his mechanics
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CU Medallion [18152]
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He's not wrong about QB development***
Oct 24, 2021, 5:49 PM
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 5:53 PM
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Just another fool looking to kick us while down.
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Another ultra sensitive fan that doesn’t know the difference
Oct 24, 2021, 5:57 PM
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between constructive criticism and actual bashing.
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TL16 went #1 in the draft, his stock wasn’t hurt by his time at Clemson…
Oct 24, 2021, 5:54 PM
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DW4, by the numbers, was/is one of the top two QBs in his draft. He may prove to be the best in his draft class over the long-term.
At ~350 YPG, last year’s passing attack was the best in Clemson history.
I trust that our staff knows what they are doing.
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Re: TL16 went #1 in the draft, his stock wasn’t hurt by his time at Clemson…
Oct 24, 2021, 5:57 PM
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It’s an agenda. If they can convince QBs not to come to Clemson they think they can keep us down.
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Re: TL16 went #1 in the draft, his stock wasn’t hurt by his time at Clemson…
Oct 24, 2021, 5:58 PM
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Yeah that's it. That's laughable.
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 6:03 PM
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I wonder what he has to say about Spencer Rattler and Lincoln Riley?
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Shocked
Oct 24, 2021, 6:13 PM
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you would promote this rubbish…
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Trent D!ldo ??????????????????
Oct 24, 2021, 7:04 PM
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 24, 2021, 7:32 PM
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Seems like Watson and lawrence are doing fine —not really sold on Trent dilfer
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This is the garbage you get
Oct 24, 2021, 7:35 PM
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when Clemson plays poorly. The trash is eaten up with hate for the success of our program that they wholesale storm the boreds looking to cash in we falter. That’s quite the compliment. The OP for instance. Complete DB, but I guess we should be thanking it for the compliments! Thanks coot!
Oh, the drama, ??
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Who?***
Oct 24, 2021, 8:47 PM
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I mean, Dilfer is telling the truth…
Oct 24, 2021, 10:31 PM
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Streeter is only a playbook installation coach, he’s not a capable of truly developing QB talent.
Trevor’s footwork and mechanics regressed every year he was here. In his final season he had developed a weird “falling back” throwing motion that messed with his accuracy and ball placement. The Jags basically had to reprogram Trevor when he got there.
DW4 was smart and didn’t take any chances with Streeter, he sought an outside QB coach (Quincy Avery) as soon as Dabo named Streeter our QB coach. Kelly Bryant did the same.
Maybe DJU can find and work with an outside QB coach, and possibly reverse the damage.
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Re: I mean, Dilfer is telling the truth…
Oct 24, 2021, 10:53 PM
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Good info +
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Re: I mean, Dilfer is telling the truth…
Oct 25, 2021, 2:08 PM
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Fact is DW4 was much more pro ready than TL16 after Clemson. You'd have never thought that after 2018.
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hes not wrong..imo lawrence never lived up
Oct 24, 2021, 11:20 PM
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to his potential while here as well ..he peaked in the 2018 title game his next season was good but nothing spectacular
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He tore his left labrum int he 2nd game of his 2nd year and
Oct 24, 2021, 11:25 PM
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played the next 2 years with a torn labrum, that has to account for something
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non throwing shoulder***
Oct 25, 2021, 2:16 PM
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 25, 2021, 7:53 AM
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IMO TL degreased while here. Was it injury or coaching? I don't know that.
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Just how greasy was TL while at Clemson?***
Oct 25, 2021, 8:39 AM
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Orange Phenom [14555]
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But but Steeeter worked magic on Cole Stoudt
Oct 25, 2021, 8:31 AM
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as you could clearly see in that one game Stoudt was good after being coached by Streeter for 3 weeks.
Haven't heard this argument much In awhile btw.
LOL
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Streeter may be a good pocket QB coach. Not sure he's the
Oct 25, 2021, 8:41 AM
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right person to coach a QB in a RPO type system. Think Tajh might have more experience there.
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Re: Streeter may be a good pocket QB coach. Not sure he's the
Oct 25, 2021, 11:39 AM
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Just being honest, bench riders are usually the best position coaches. It's about what you know, not what you could at one time do.
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I've been saying this for years, since Whitehurst.
Oct 25, 2021, 9:07 AM
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Our QBs' fundamentals get progressively worse the longer they are in the program. They come in doing a lot of things well and after 2-3 years they drift out of the back of the pocket, stare down receivers, hesitate to make decisions, etc etc.
Maybe we should hire experienced coaches.
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I just love all you head coaches with your opinions
Oct 25, 2021, 11:52 AM
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GMAB
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 25, 2021, 11:53 AM
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I remember hearing something last summer about "working on DJ's footwork and throwing motion" and Streeter being involved. To me, if the biggest difference between DJ last year and this are the "tweaks" then we need to fire the tweaker.
The passing game is in shambles, and is a total embarrassment. That's on the "passing game coordinator"
I know Dabo is circling the wagons to protect recruiting, but sooner or later, we'll start losing the 5 stars and 4 stars because the program is down. You think Kirby and his ilk talked us down before?
Now they have evidence.
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Re: Dilfer destroying Streeter on radio
Oct 25, 2021, 12:32 PM
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Agree.
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