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Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
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football season matches the three BEST win total seasons we had under Tommy Bowden during his 9+ season tenure. So, you might want to take just a moment and THANK the man who has raised our expectations to the point that nine wins is now just a DISAPPOINTMENT. After all, nine wins was what the Pundits said our CEILING was, prior to Dabo Swinney getting the Clemson job. How DARE we want more?
Thank You, Coach Dabo Swinney. Now, get to work and let's enjoy the Ride to the Top of the Mountain, Part Deaux!
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
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You're spot on, but the program has been off for at least 3 years, arguably 4, and we do miss the days when Clemson football enjoyed a bit more respect.
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
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it is amazing to me that Brad Brownell can screw up Clemson basketball for 134 years and get a free pass
when Dabo has 2 10-3 records and a 9-4 record and get reviled for it. 2 Nat'l titles and 4 consecutive
playoffs. On the other hand, we have a mediocre Basketball coach who NEVER has been to a FINAL Four, a few NITs and hardly ever get into March Madness. Blows me away how ignorant most Clemson fans are.
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
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Jan 8, 2024, 10:21 AM
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Apples to oranges. Coconuts to pineapples. Pears to grapes.
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
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Jan 8, 2024, 1:27 PM
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it is amazing to me that Brad Brownell can screw up Clemson basketball for 134 years and get a free pass
when Dabo has 2 10-3 records and a 9-4 record and get reviled for it. 2 Nat'l titles and 4 consecutive
playoffs. On the other hand, we have a mediocre Basketball coach who NEVER has been to a FINAL Four, a few NITs and hardly ever get into March Madness. Blows me away how ignorant most Clemson fans are.
Folks like you are the reason we need a minimum annual donation before being allowed to post. Lets call it $25 per year. No perks other than the ability to post on this board. Half would go to Crump, half to DHood and half to NIL...
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
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Jan 9, 2024, 8:59 AM
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That's 3 halves...😁
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Re: So...three halves make a whole?***
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Technically yes, if you don't factor the remainder.
I like big melons.
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
Jan 9, 2024, 10:23 AM
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it is amazing to me that Brad Brownell can screw up Clemson basketball for 134 years and get a free pass
when Dabo has 2 10-3 records and a 9-4 record and get reviled for it. 2 Nat'l titles and 4 consecutive
playoffs. On the other hand, we have a mediocre Basketball coach who NEVER has been to a FINAL Four, a few NITs and hardly ever get into March Madness. Blows me away how ignorant most Clemson fans are. Folks like you are the reason we need a minimum annual donation before being allowed to post. Lets call it $25 per year. No perks other than the ability to post on this board. Half would go to Crump, half to DHood and half to NIL...
Must be the new math: one half plus one half plus one half
(Sounds like the math from TheRump. Almost as crazy as that rapist, crook, and insurrectionist telling people he's a man of God. Every time Sataan hears that he orders another load of coal as he delights in the burning-to-come of TheRump!!)
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He CERTAINLY hasnt pushed it upwards in FOURTEEN YEARS !!!
Jan 9, 2024, 10:26 PM
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“But but but” …….. here comes The Cult.
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
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Jan 9, 2024, 10:54 PM
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Big Dabo fan, but he's a victim of his own success. If you win 2 national titles and have 6 playoff appearances, than by those standards the last 3 seasons have been a let down. The very fact that your comparing this season to Tommy Bowdens tenure proves this point. Tommy Bowden was average...this season was average. To continue playing devils advocate our basketball team has very little history of success. No nattys, no final fours, 1 elite 8. Like it or not, Brownells performance as head coach is at worst on par with our programs history. The last 3 seasons under Dabo have been a let down. Dont berate one coach for coaching to a historical average while celebrating another for elevating the standrd than failing to achieve it. A victory against a basketball school in a meaningless bowl is the equivalent of an NIL tourney invitation.
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Arguably four seasons?
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Because we lost in the national championship game??? We were number two in the country dude.
The last 3 seasons, 13th, 14th, and inside the top 20, are obviously not what we grew accustomed to, but that’s not chopped liver historically speaking.
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
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Jan 8, 2024, 9:27 AM
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thanks for the RANDOMLY capitalized words. If it wasn't FOR THAT - I don't think I would have been able to understand the MEANING of your message.
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Nothing RANDOM about them. I put at least two seconds worth of thought into
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Jan 8, 2024, 9:38 AM
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what words I capitalize in ANY post.
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Grateful you do not capitalize ALL of your letters while
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Jan 8, 2024, 11:40 AM
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prattling out BASELESS criticisms with no EVIDENCE to back up your condemnations like some GOOBERS on here.
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Re: Grateful you do not capitalize ALL of your letters while
Jan 8, 2024, 12:48 PM
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Like Judge!
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Hey, I dont write in all caps!
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
Jan 8, 2024, 9:47 AM
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I think i heard during the kentucky game that we hopd the record for most 9 win seasons in a row. Impressive!
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
Jan 8, 2024, 1:48 PM
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That’s not what they said.
If you are a fan you should be aware we were in the midst of a 10 game season win streak. Behind FSU’s all-time streak and Alabama’s current. While we could, technically, have an even longer 9 game win streak, most Clemson fans know our current streak started after a 6-7 season. So, no, we don’t hold a record on consecutive win seasons.
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After the first few games of 2023 season I realized just how special
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Jan 8, 2024, 9:47 AM
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Clemson football was from 2012 through 2020.
I also remember how hard it is to win and how mediocre Clemson football was for many years prior to Coach Dabo Swinney. 9 win season was once a great season, and to win the bowl game was a great end to season into the next season full of hope.
As a diehard Clemson fan, no other sports team means much of anything to me. Love the Braves, but do not follow them enough to know any off-season moves they have made simply because I choose to follow my heart and that is Clemson athletics.
I am happy the team won 9 games, and hope that the team can work toward improving but understanding that it is difficult to win football games.
Go Tigers, get ready for those Dawgs!!
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you're not wrong ... but is it too much to ask
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Jan 8, 2024, 9:48 AM
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when we just want Dabo to live up to the motto he coined?
BEST IS THE STANDARD
I realize he's made some reactionary changes last year and this year, but holy heII, do you really think he's above reproach?
Have fun watching Washington and Michigan tonight.
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Re: you're not wrong ... but is it too much to ask
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Jan 8, 2024, 9:54 AM
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We all make mistakes and he did have some expected staff turnover and in our opinion made some bad hires. Not knowing what goes on behind closed doors it would be interesting to hear his take even though at the end of the day it’s none of my business how he decides to run his program.
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agreed. I still think Pork Chop is going to eff us in the long run ...
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I like Pork Chop
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Jan 8, 2024, 10:11 AM
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If we had an offense his points allowed would be cut in half.
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Hoping you realize that Wes and the defense is the main reason
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Jan 8, 2024, 10:35 AM
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Clemson was able to get to 9 wins.
Turnovers were the biggest problem this year. Not just that they were turnovers, but the timing and position of the football at the times they happened. Driving to put up a 2 score lead on FSU, 2 times fumbling inside the 5 yard line at Duke. Who knew that was a harbinger for several games this season, but by the end the team played better football and were able to get on track. The defense was put in bad spots numerous times and while they were not without faults at times, they played much better than the offense with the big addition of Riley. Talk about a little bit of disappointment, but again plenty of fault to go around and no need to worry about it now.
Go Tigers, beat those Dawgs!!
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Oculus Spirit [41877]
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he almost single-handedly lost the FSU game
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Jan 8, 2024, 10:48 AM
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and he put in Toriano Pride against the Pack, and subsequently gave up long TD that basically iced the game.
and you watched the Miami game, right?
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Yes, I watched the Miami game, offense struggled mightily
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Jan 8, 2024, 4:22 PM
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and defense had a lackluster game for sure.
I also remember the Coots game, and I am sure you do as well. Picking out single games during a season will always produce some oddball games and as I stated. The defense was not perfect but they also did produce some very big plays at critical times to help win games.
All good brother, just have a different opinion about Wes Goodwin.....and I hope next year he just continues to get better. Still young and hope he keeps getting better.
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Re: he almost single-handedly lost the FSU game
Jan 8, 2024, 9:01 PM
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brain-dead take...
turnovers and a missed easy field goal got us beat against FSU
Defense was rated top 10 in important categories and lead the country in defensive efficiency (possibly the most telling def stat)
Take away TO in the red zone, to that were taken back for TDs or possession inside our own 20, missed (makeable) fgs this season would have been totally different
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Re: agreed. I still think Pork Chop is going to eff us in the long run ...
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how can you point to him as an issue? Defense has hardly dropped off and through the last 5 games of the season were consistently producing turnovers which were a huge help on our streak to end the season.
He really only had one glaring mistake and that was the prevent defense going into half time of the FSU game.
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Re: you're not wrong ... but is it too much to ask
Jan 8, 2024, 10:21 AM
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when we just want Dabo to live up to the motto he coined?
BEST IS THE STANDARD
I realize he's made some reactionary changes last year and this year, but holy heII, do you really think he's above reproach?
Have fun watching Washington and Michigan tonight.
Always mind blowing when fans try to assign a different meaning to "best is the standard". Do you not understand the actual meaning or just chose to use it incorrectly to support your narrative?
BTW he made only one bad hire which is Austin. Perhaps they were not all home run hires like Nick Eason but at this point only one has proven to be a sub-standard coach.
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Oculus Spirit [41877]
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just Austin was a bad hire?
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Jan 8, 2024, 10:49 AM
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Streeter, Hall, Conn, Grisham, etc ...
Jury still out on Spiller and Goodwin.
but ok.
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Re: just Austin was a bad hire?
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Thank you! Glad someone else kept the reciepts, one bad hire my a**
And just because we used to be dreadful doesn’t excuse this year. We never had the talent and resources to squander like we do today. It was a bad season, Dabo made some bad hires which led to it. I don’t know why we’re praising our ACC participation trophy just because it can sit next to ones from a national championship
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We are objective. We object to your clown and foolish posts.
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Jan 9, 2024, 9:22 PM
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Object that!
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Re: you're not wrong ... but is it too much to ask
Jan 9, 2024, 7:49 PM
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when we just want Dabo to live up to the motto he coined?
BEST IS THE STANDARD
I realize he's made some reactionary changes last year and this year, but holy heII, do you really think he's above reproach?
Have fun watching Washington and Michigan tonight.
It is amazing when fans don’t take the time to understand the motto.
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A season where we beat the coots is never a disappointment.***
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A spoonful of sugar
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can't quite make the Duke and NCST losses go down. Still gives heartburn. FSU & Miami went to OT and could have won both but C'est La Vie. We did finish strong and I hope Cade has turned the corner. Spring practice is a few weeks away. Beat the Dawgs! Go Tigers!
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You make good points agree!***
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
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Jan 8, 2024, 10:43 AM
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In my mind we really played two seasons September October and November December. The first was sluggish painful to watch how could this team come in with high expectations the second was something akin to what we have seen in the past 10 years getting back on track by beating Notre Dame, Blowing out Georgia tech, Beating a North Carolina team who had a top 5 qb in college football, making sure your rival didn't go to a bowl and making sure it is known that SC is Clemsons state and lastly coming back from behind by double digits something you failed to do early in the season to beat Kentucky. That is my view of the whole season Go tigers beat Georgia
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Absolutely right 76er
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Jan 8, 2024, 7:46 PM
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This season had some "Bowden-esque" elements, but the winning streak at the end and the bowl win showed Dabo is still coaching.
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We didnt have the best facilities and one of the highest paid staffs
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in college football when Bowden was here.
I know it makes you feel better to rationalize our three year run of underachieving performance by comparing it to a different era, but at the end of the day we have declined. Here’s to 2024 being a step toward turning things around and becoming an elite program once again.
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Re: We didnt have the best facilities and one of the highest paid staffs
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Nor did we when we went to our first CFP or even won our first CFP National Championship.
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
Jan 9, 2024, 7:08 AM
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Well said and I agree, BUT our football team should have beat Miami. That is all.
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TU #48 - 2 away from HOF.***
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Dynasty Maker [3283]
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Ya know what . . .
Jan 9, 2024, 9:02 AM
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I think it's absurd to look at this season as a disappointment. It was looking disappointing at certain earlier junctures, amd certain **aspects** of the season were disappointing (that would be the case for most non-perfect seasons) but the final overall result is not disappointing. It's actually pretty easy to hold an appreciation for the overall positive result of a season while still recognizing the shortcomings.
So yeah, three cheers to Dabo. And I've been pretty critical of some things and I still hold to all that, but none of that negates what you said. Amen.
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
Jan 9, 2024, 2:10 PM
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You know your program is pretty good when your "disappointing" season is still a Top 20 finish...
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That doesn't make me feel any better. Are you saying we are going backwards?
Jan 9, 2024, 6:39 PM
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Sure sounds backurds!
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
Jan 9, 2024, 6:54 PM
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It’s encouraging to know that while our season wasn’t as expected, the coots will still never know what it’s like to hold a National football championship trophy.
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Re: Just a reminder, for a little historical perspective: This DISAPPOINTING
Jan 9, 2024, 7:04 PM
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Beat the coots = nothing disappointing about the season. Can’t make the playoffs every year. Ask UGA.
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With 29 wins in the last 3 years, Im thinking we are among
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the top in P5.
Anyone have a site to check it?
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Clemson Conqueror [11561]
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So true. And Bowden never beat teams close to
Jan 10, 2024, 12:32 AM
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anything Dabo gots goin on!
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