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Letterman [281]
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Leggett Haters Will REALLY Hate Schlossnagel
Jun 9, 2015, 9:25 AM
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Leggett Haters are REALLY gonna hate Schlossnagel. I watched about 2/3's of last night's game. In that time, TCU got the lead off runner on with no outs 5 times. Four of those times they sacrificed to get him to second. The other time he was already on second and they sacrificed to get him to 3rd. So, 5 total sacrifices, zero runs scored. I'm not even sure Jack would call for the sacrifice 5 times in a game. In the bottom of the 15th they tried to steal second but failed. Somehow or other they still won, but I had gone to bed by them.
The would be sabermetricians who do not believe in "get em on, get em over, get em in" are gonna hate this guy. Of course, some will hate him simply because he once coached under Leggett. Those who believe in the Earl Weaver philosophy better hope for Monte Lee.
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Orange Blooded [2236]
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Re: Leggett Haters Will REALLY Hate Schlossnagel
Jun 9, 2015, 9:35 AM
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Heck after listening to LeCroy interview on WCCP yesterday I'm willing to give him a shot. Felt like deja vu listening to Dabo when he got the job. Guy has a plan in place and has worked with some pretty good programs/coaches. Bringing in what could be a top 10 class, let's see what he can do with the new resources he's been working really hard at getting to CU.
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Re: Leggett Haters Will REALLY Hate Schlossnagel
Jun 9, 2015, 11:14 AM
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Not me. I Just think we need a total change
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Letterman [268]
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I've had several good laughs watching the tournament.
Jun 9, 2015, 10:08 AM
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I saw the Maryland catcher throw it into CF on a steal and said "We don't want that guy, they just made an error." Saw Louisville get a someone thrown out stealing, and said "Well, mark that guy off the list." And before anyone starts with the "That's one error, we were a terrible fielding team." We were not a terrible fielding TEAM. We had two players commit 19 errors each and it would have been more if not for the first baseman saving them who knows how many times. The 38 errors they committed comprised a full 40% of the team total. So we had two guys that struggled mightily, and most everyone else fielded at an acceptable to very good rate. Now if you want to say that they should have been sat down for a while, I agree. One of them was sat down for a week or two and was better when he came back.
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Orange Blooded [2420]
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Re: I've had several good laughs watching the tournament.
Jun 9, 2015, 10:21 AM
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That was the problem with Jack. He coached to potential, instead of plays on the field. A lead off batter with less than a hundred average. REALLY? Errors galore, but they still played. You can't give a team four or five outs and not expect them to score. Lead off pitcher would get a lot of freedom, but relievers that never seemed to be warmed up in the bullpen, had a short chain. Pitchers were always behind in the count because the coaches were calling pitches that weren't working that day. Bad base running over and over and over... These all add up to losses and lost team momentum. Baseball is suppose to be a fun sport and CLEMSON players were having no fun. Hope the next coach puts FUN back into the game.
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Letterman [281]
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Re: I've had several good laughs watching the tournament.
Jun 9, 2015, 10:41 AM
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How many games did you watch? Okey called most of the pitches for a big part of the season.
> the bullpen, had a short chain. Pitchers were always
> behind in the count because the coaches were calling
> pitches that weren't working that day. Bad base
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Orange Blooded [2420]
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Re: I've had several good laughs watching the tournament.
Jun 9, 2015, 11:09 AM
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Being ahead in the count in baseball is huge. Heck even being close to the plate is good, even if it is a ball. Being way off target or wild as they say, gets you no calls when they may be close.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Yep
Jun 9, 2015, 1:22 PM
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if you've been wild then the umpire give you no benefit of the doubt on the close pitches. It's human nature.
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Letterman [281]
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Re: I've had several good laughs watching the tournament.
Jun 9, 2015, 10:38 AM
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Yeah, TCU got doubled up on a soft liner to the shortstop who then stepped on second because the runner did not get back in time. In my mind I could hear the Tigernet haters saying "our fundamentals suck." It happens. You can drill fundamentals all day. Kids make mistakes.
> I saw the Maryland catcher throw it into CF on a
> steal and said "We don't want that guy, they just
> made an error." Saw Louisville get a someone thrown
> out stealing, and said "Well, mark that guy off the
> list." And before anyone starts with the "That's one
> error, we were a terrible fielding team." We were not
> a terrible fielding TEAM. We had two players commit
> 19 errors each and it would have been more if not for
> the first baseman saving them who knows how many
> times. The 38 errors they committed comprised a full
> 40% of the team total. So we had two guys that
> struggled mightily, and most everyone else fielded at
> an acceptable to very good rate. Now if you want to
> say that they should have been sat down for a while,
> I agree. One of them was sat down for a week or two
> and was better when he came back.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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That must be the only TCU game you've watched
Jun 9, 2015, 10:43 AM
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I watched a couple, and usually TCU is a solid hitting team. Their team batting average is right around where Clemson's was this year, but they left 29 less guys on base and grounded into 9 less double plays. I'd call us comparable hitting teams, and this year was Clemson's best season at the dish in the last few years.
The difference is in fielding and pitching.
TCU's team fielding % is .978 to Clemson's .959. The worst fielder of the regular players on TCU's team would be the 3rd worst fielder on Clemson's team, and he's an outfielder, so he only had 6 total errors. As a team, TCU committed 53 errors to Clemson's 95. So even if you remove Clemson's 2 worst offenders at 19 errors each, we would've still had 4 more errors than them.
TCU's team ERA is 2.38 to Clemson's 4.05. Nobody on TCU's team with more than 9 innings pitched has an ERA over 4, Clemson has 7 guys who fall into that category.
Also, Schlossnagle never coached under Leggett at Clemson, they were assistants together under Wilhelm for 1 year.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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What about UofL not being able to execute a bunt
Jun 9, 2015, 11:13 AM
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that would have gotten the winning run to 3rd with 1 out.
Sounds like McDonnell should be right in our wheelhouse. We wouldn't have to change our strategy at all!
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Orange Blooded [4098]
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Re: What about UofL not being able to execute a bunt
Jun 9, 2015, 11:27 AM
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cost them the game!!
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Walk-On [127]
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Why? Is he gonna get our a55e5 kick by the coots in
Jun 9, 2015, 11:14 AM
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Omaha while the nation watches? I don't think so. Let's take a chance on him. Go Tigers
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Legend [16058]
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Schlossnagel never coached under Leggett...
Jun 9, 2015, 11:20 AM
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He was here in Bill Wilhelm's last year as HC - 1993.
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Re: Leggett Haters Will REALLY Hate Schlossnagel
Jun 9, 2015, 12:25 PM
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Why do any of us have to be Jack haters. How come we can't be the folks that were sick and tired of being sick and tired of seeing our Baseball program steady declining. How come we just can't be the folks that has loved Jack over the years but feel he has lost that edge that is needed to get back our program back to where we had been for many years under his leadership. And why are all the folks that feel Jack should have been able to retire on his term when he was ready, not called Clemson haters. ### for tat sounds fair to me. But for some, it has to always be one way, their way..
I'm going to be as honest and truthful as I swear I can be. I hate that Jack is gone, and I honestly hurt for Jack and his family. I hurt for his family for having to see their love one walking around feeling lost, hurt and betrayed by the people he gave a big portion of his life to. Jack gave all he had to give, and he done the best he could do for Clemson and her fans for 22 years. And there is no doubt that this situation has to be very painful for Jack to suffer through, and for his family suffering for Jack. I'm sure it's absolutely horrible for all of them. And I'm very sorry for all of them that it happened.
I honestly feel that changes in the program had to be made. And if Jack wasn't given the choice of an honorable way out and was bullied by DRad, then shame on him, and hope he gets his the same way very soon. But if Jack was given choices and refused them, I still feel for Jack but, he made his bed, he has to sleep in it.
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Letterman [281]
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Re: Leggett Haters Will REALLY Hate Schlossnagel
Jun 9, 2015, 1:39 PM
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Personally, I don't consider everyone that wanted Jack gone to be a hater. I respect the guys who can make logical, dispassionate arguments for change. But, that's not the majority people on TNet. There are bunch of people on here that simply don't like Jack for non-baseball reasons. Many of these clowns never go to games. They don't know one Lecroy from the other. Some don't like him because he's a "Yankee." Some think he is arrogant, which, if you know the guy, you know is BS. Some have tried to smear him by painting him as non-religious, which is totally irrelevant. Some have no clue that Okey called the pitches most of the year. Some think all of Jack's players are all from Maine. Most argue that Jack doesn't recruit SC. They don't realize that we started just as many SC kids this year as the chickens. Many want more SC players on the team. Of course most of those have no clue how little HS talent there is in SC. A lot of them were pulling for Clemson to lose this year, just so Jack would be fired. I could go on and on. Whether you call them haters or idiots, they're pathetic excuses for "fans."
> Why do any of us have to be Jack haters. How come we
> can't be the folks that were sick and tired of being
> sick and tired of seeing our Baseball program steady
> declining. How come we just can't be the folks that
> has loved Jack over the years but feel he has lost
> that edge that is needed to get back our program back
> to where we had been for many years under his
> leadership. And why are all the folks that feel Jack
> should have been able to retire on his term when he
> was ready, not called Clemson haters. ### for tat
> sounds fair to me. But for some, it has to always be
> one way, their way..
>
> I'm going to be as honest and truthful as I swear I
> can be. I hate that Jack is gone, and I honestly hurt
> for Jack and his family. I hurt for his family for
> having to see their love one walking around feeling
> lost, hurt and betrayed by the people he gave a big
> portion of his life to. Jack gave all he had to give,
> and he done the best he could do for Clemson and her
> fans for 22 years. And there is no doubt that this
> situation has to be very painful for Jack to suffer
> through, and for his family suffering for Jack. I'm
> sure it's absolutely horrible for all of them. And
> I'm very sorry for all of them that it happened.
>
> I honestly feel that changes in the program had to be
> made. And if Jack wasn't given the choice of an
> honorable way out and was bullied by DRad, then shame
> on him, and hope he gets his the same way very soon.
> But if Jack was given choices and refused them, I
> still feel for Jack but, he made his bed, he has to
> sleep in it.
>
>
> Message was edited by: allorangeallthetime52®
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Re: Leggett Haters Will REALLY Hate Schlossnagel
Jun 9, 2015, 3:11 PM
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I just believe that Jack and his family deserve to be respected, and as long as both sides are being respectful, there are no haters, only differences of opinions!!!
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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schlepped over to TCI last night to see the dribble they
Jun 9, 2015, 4:02 PM
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were serving up...
Summary: DRad's an #### because he was publicly explicit last year about what Leggett needed to do to evidence improvement in the program, and
DRad's an #### because this year he was possibly, according to "sources", indecisive in his comments about where Jack stood two days before being fired.
Say what?
On one hand DRad's too straight-forward; on the other (according to flies on the wall: read "Leggett") he's too indecisive.
Let's be simple here: the Pro-Jack cult has pulled out all stops to try to cast doubt on Clemson and the AD regarding this decision. Whatever.
I would suggest that the true Clemson fans start making it publicly known that they appreciate Jack, his family, and what he's done over the years for the school, that they wish him the best in the future, that he will always be considered a Tiger, that whatever issues some had with his coaching and results are water under the bridge, and
that this issue is ### well over with.
Anyone selling a different line at this point isn't a real Tiger fan in my view.
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