|
For the record, to whom it may concern, pitchers do not
storage
This topic has been archived - replies are not allowed.
|
Replies: 46
| visibility 211
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
For the record, to whom it may concern, pitchers do not
Mar 9, 2013, 10:08 PM
|
|
complete 3.1, or 3.2 innings.
|
|
|
|
 |
CU Guru [1559]
TigerPulse: 74%
30
|
SAYS WHO?***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:17 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
I have read about three different articles on today's game
Mar 9, 2013, 10:30 PM
|
|
and all of them use that notation. It is either 3 and a third (3 1/3) or 3 and two thirds ( 3 2/3 ), but not 3.1 or 3.2.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1559]
TigerPulse: 74%
30
|
maybe the writers think there are ten outs per inning. lol***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:35 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Immortal [63999]
TigerPulse: 100%
60
Posts: 44026
Joined: 1998
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
It is not my mistake. 3.1 is 3 and 1/10. I can only assume
Mar 9, 2013, 10:41 PM
|
|
the writer is too lazy to type three and a third, or ignorant.
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Champion [117416]
TigerPulse: 100%
65
Posts: 64972
Joined: 2006
|
yeps spud, the world is getting lazy. attached is mlb.com
Mar 9, 2013, 10:49 PM
|
|
spring training stats. it's sortable so you might have to click on 'pitching' if it doesn't take you directly to the spring training leaders. you'll notice they report "1/3" of innings now as .1 or .2 also. we're not in kansas any more unfortunately.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp?c_id=mlb&tcid=mm_mlb_stats#elem=[object+Object]&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+pitching§ionType=sp&statType=pitching&page=1&ts=1362887171555
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Immortal [63999]
TigerPulse: 100%
60
Posts: 44026
Joined: 1998
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Champion [117416]
TigerPulse: 100%
65
Posts: 64972
Joined: 2006
|
it has not been that way for 100 years. they might have
Mar 9, 2013, 10:57 PM
|
|
reworked the info to its present reporting, but it used to be reported in "1/3s".
perhaps it's more easily sortable in the current form considering computers and programs weren't always available?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Immortal [63999]
TigerPulse: 100%
60
Posts: 44026
Joined: 1998
|
I would guess since PCs replaced typewriters
Mar 9, 2013, 11:06 PM
|
|
I remember typewriters with fraction keys. Stock Market quotes used to use fractions too in the newspapers until they went digital.
OK, I'm only in my 40's so I can't vouch for 100 years. But the .0,.1,.2 system has been done for as long as I can remember being involved with baseball, which goes back to the 1970's.
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Champion [117416]
TigerPulse: 100%
65
Posts: 64972
Joined: 2006
|
i'm not much older and have remembered the system being in
Mar 9, 2013, 11:15 PM
|
|
place for a long time as well. it is still spoken in thirds as you know so that might be throwing spud?
also, there are many different sites people can go to to calculate era. the .1, .2 system or a simple math explanation that translates the system into thirds as the one below does. a lot of good reasons for the confusion.
Earned Run Average
A major league pitcher is often judged on the basis of his earned run average, or ERA. This number represents the average number of earned runs given up by the pitcher per nine innings.
An earned run is any run that the opponent scores off a particular pitcher except for runs scored as a result of errors. For instance, if Tim Lincecum gives up three solo homeruns, and then an error causes another run to score, he is only credited with those first three runs that were "his fault."
The earned run average can be calculated using the following formula:
(Earned Runs/Innings Pitched) x 9
Therefore, if Roy Halladay is charged with 19 earned runs in his first 89 innings pitched, his ERA would be 19 divided by 89, which is .2135, times 9, which is 1.92, a very good number.
(19 runs / 89 innings) x 9 = 1.92
Don't forget the 9 at the end. By calculating runs/innings you have only figured out earned runs per inning, but you must keep in mind that an ERA is actually earned runs per nine innings, since a regulation game is 9 innings. The number, usually represented with two places after the decimal, shows how many runs the pitcher gives up in an average complete game.
Here's one last example: Johan Santana yielded 66 earned runs over 234.33 innings in 2008. What is his ERA? Simple -- divide 66 runs by 234.33 innings and multiply by 9. The correct answer is 2.53.
http://www.freemathhelp.com/earned-run-average.html
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Immortal [63999]
TigerPulse: 100%
60
Posts: 44026
Joined: 1998
|
next let's get him working on tennis scoring.....
Mar 9, 2013, 11:20 PM
|
|
the Love-15-30-40 scoring has always confused me. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Champion [117416]
TigerPulse: 100%
65
Posts: 64972
Joined: 2006
|
haha. :-)***
Mar 9, 2013, 11:20 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Immortal [63999]
TigerPulse: 100%
60
Posts: 44026
Joined: 1998
|
seriously,your 1st 2 scores are worth 15 points, but the 3rd
Mar 9, 2013, 11:24 PM
|
|
one is only worth 10 points.....what the heck?
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Champion [117416]
TigerPulse: 100%
65
Posts: 64972
Joined: 2006
|
it's those crazy frickin euros, probably another reason so
Mar 9, 2013, 11:29 PM
|
|
many left for the new world way back when...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
The wife just said, " So, whoever thought up that Love in
Mar 10, 2013, 11:31 AM
|
|
the first place?". She's got a point.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6938]
TigerPulse: 88%
41
Posts: 22593
Joined: 2003
|
|
|
|
|
|
Team Captain [467]
TigerPulse: 100%
18
|
It may be noted that they pitch 4.1 innings, so it is not
Mar 9, 2013, 11:10 PM
[ in reply to your mistake is that this is not base ten math ] |
|
base 4. Maybe it is the punctuation mark that is the error, noting the end of a period (.) instead of an inning. You just think it is a decimal.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [104]
TigerPulse: 92%
11
|
Re: your mistake is that this is not base ten math
Mar 10, 2013, 7:41 AM
[ in reply to your mistake is that this is not base ten math ] |
|
"baseball is kept with a base four(?) system (if that is such a thing)."
Point for the base four thingy. lol - good one. It would not be base four since .3 is not used. Maybe base three. 
But - it's not base 3 either. Or is the new math I've always heard about?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Die-Hard [8977]
TigerPulse: 74%
43
Posts: 11531
Joined: 2004
|
That's the way innings pitched is denoted...
Mar 9, 2013, 10:41 PM
|
|
and the notation used to compute ERA.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
It doesn't change the fact of what I said. They are wrong.***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:46 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Die-Hard [8977]
TigerPulse: 74%
43
Posts: 11531
Joined: 2004
|
Then how do you propose...
Mar 9, 2013, 11:07 PM
|
|
they indicate innings pitched in order to make it possible to figure ERA? It HAS to have a decimal figure, fractions don't work. Being 6-4 isn't two games over .500 either, but that doesn't stop anybody from calling it that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
Uhm, fractions don't work. You are kidding, right?***
Mar 9, 2013, 11:14 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
Annnnnnd, 6-4 is exactly 2 games over .500***
Mar 9, 2013, 11:18 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Die-Hard [8977]
TigerPulse: 74%
43
Posts: 11531
Joined: 2004
|
No, it isn't...
Mar 9, 2013, 11:31 PM
|
|
it's one game over .500 because after 10 games, 5-5 would be .500 and 6-4 is one game better. I don't care how many wins (or losses) it would take to get to .500, that isn't the point.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
You are wrong again. At 6-4, you have played ten games with
Mar 9, 2013, 11:39 PM
|
|
4 losses. 4 wins and 4 losses would be .500 You now have 6 wins, so you are 2 wins above .500 if you lose the next game, you are 1 win over .500
|
|
|
|
|
|
Die-Hard [8977]
TigerPulse: 74%
43
Posts: 11531
Joined: 2004
|
After 10 games...
Mar 9, 2013, 11:43 PM
|
|
5-5 is .500. 6-4 is one win better than 5-5. Stop arguing with me.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
Well, I had a good night's sleep and have studied your
Mar 10, 2013, 8:24 AM
|
|
response for about a minute. Let me ask you a question. Given that 5-5 is .500 ball. If your team plays one more game and wins, how many games is your team over .500?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
And for the bonus question, while I run off to church, now
Mar 10, 2013, 8:32 AM
|
|
that your team is 6-5 and my team is still at 6-4, which one of us has the 1/2 game lead in the standings?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [1648]
TigerPulse: 82%
31
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
Sweet...***
Mar 10, 2013, 11:32 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Die-Hard [8977]
TigerPulse: 74%
43
Posts: 11531
Joined: 2004
|
No, I'm not kidding...
Mar 9, 2013, 11:19 PM
[ in reply to Uhm, fractions don't work. You are kidding, right?*** ] |
|
ERA is figured by multiplying earned runs allowed by innings pitched and dividing that by number of innings in a regulation game. The only way the arithmetic works is to use a decimal figure and .1 or .2 was chosen as opposed to .33 or .66. Now stop talking down to me. I can't help if you don't like the way the math is done, but don't insult me about it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
Partner, I am not talking down to you. But your math will
Mar 9, 2013, 11:25 PM
|
|
not work.Using 3.1 to determine an ERA would require 10 outs per inning to be correct
|
|
|
|
|
|
Die-Hard [8977]
TigerPulse: 74%
43
Posts: 11531
Joined: 2004
|
Well, that's the way it's done...
Mar 9, 2013, 11:28 PM
|
|
so deal with it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Champion [117416]
TigerPulse: 100%
65
Posts: 64972
Joined: 2006
|
fyi...
Mar 9, 2013, 11:40 PM
|
|
Troncoso, R CWS
earned runs = 1
innings pitched = 7.2
era as reported by mlb.com = 1.17
1/7.2 = .1388
.1388 x 9 = 1.25
1/7.67 = .1303
.1303 x 9 = 1.17
you might want to check that math baseball fan.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp?c_id=mlb&tcid=mm_mlb_stats#elem=[object+Object]&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+pitching§ionType=sp&statType=pitching&page=1&ts=1362887359240
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Elite [5132]
TigerPulse: 100%
38
|
ERA is computed by using .33 and .66 NOT by .1 or .2
Mar 10, 2013, 12:32 AM
[ in reply to No, I'm not kidding... ] |
|
It's ER x 9 / actual innings pitched. In player stats fractions of innings pitched has long been recorded as .1 and .2 innings but that has nothing to do with how the ERA is computed and never has. It's just cleaner and easier to read on paper.
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Champion [117416]
TigerPulse: 100%
65
Posts: 64972
Joined: 2006
|
yes they do, spud. see my post above about era calculation
Jan 2, 2019, 6:32 PM
[ in reply to Uhm, fractions don't work. You are kidding, right?*** ] |
|
please and can we all drop it?
it's called 3 and a third[for good reason] no matter how it's denoted in some excel spread sheet.
but, it is the acceptable denotation used today.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
Going to bed. Gonna have to get a good nights sleep to come
Mar 9, 2013, 11:28 PM
|
|
up with something this good tomorrow night. Maybe something to do with soccer or gun control.....
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Champion [117416]
TigerPulse: 100%
65
Posts: 64972
Joined: 2006
|
lol, night spud. have a great one.***
Mar 9, 2013, 11:30 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Team Captain [467]
TigerPulse: 100%
18
|
Re: Then how do you propose...
Mar 9, 2013, 11:18 PM
[ in reply to Then how do you propose... ] |
|
They don't use decimals to calculate ERA. My nephew plays college ball, and I just looked at his stats. He has pitched 2.1 innings and given up one earned run. He has an ERA of 3.86. You get that by dividing 9 by 2.333333... not 2.1.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [59305]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 45083
Joined: 2003
|
You know, I started this thread just to start a thread, but
Mar 9, 2013, 11:20 PM
|
|
I am amazed at the results. I still can't grasp, "Fractions won't work".
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3984]
TigerPulse: 100%
35
|
Lighten up Frances***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:47 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Valley Protector [1499]
TigerPulse: 100%
29
|
Re: For the record, to whom it may concern, pitchers do not
Mar 9, 2013, 10:48 PM
|
|
Hate to tell u but alot of writers etc been using that avant guard description for a while. They r metrosexual lol!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3113]
TigerPulse: 100%
34
|
It has become "baseball convention", nobody
Mar 9, 2013, 11:57 PM
|
|
ever said BB junkies were math wizards.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Day Hero [4370]
TigerPulse: 100%
36
|
I like pancakes
Mar 10, 2013, 12:40 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [2891]
TigerPulse: 93%
33
|
ROTFL wow I got a good laugh out of this.. thank you!***
Mar 10, 2013, 8:14 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [20883]
TigerPulse: 100%
52
Posts: 15324
Joined: 2010
|
Hard to argue with a man who likes pancakes Calhoun***
Mar 10, 2013, 12:30 PM
[ in reply to I like pancakes ] |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 46
| visibility 211
|
|
|
|
50
