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Orange Blooded [2574]
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Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 2:05 PM
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what if he is serviceable/good but Cade isn't really outperforming him? What do you think happens?
Would Cade get a start to see if that makes a difference? Would we go to a true 2 qb system (certainly not this, just an example)
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in your scenario...
Jul 26, 2022, 2:06 PM
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what is Dabo's comment at that time?
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Orange Blooded [2574]
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Dabo's comment for your reference
Jul 26, 2022, 2:10 PM
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"Turns out we ARE all just a bunch of slapdicks from Eastoboga Community College"
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hmmm
Jul 26, 2022, 2:11 PM
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that's a tough one. I think in that scenario,, DJ stays
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^^^ wise comment^^^***
Jul 26, 2022, 2:47 PM
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Funny Comment / Follow-up
Aug 18, 2022, 1:37 PM
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But IMO most are missing the key element to Dabo's comments. DJ is graduating in December. This gives him more flexibility. And the opportunity to declare for the NFL draft or transfer to any team in the country who wants to start him.
More importantly, Cade will not play backup this year and return as the backup next year. I do not see DJ being ready for the NFL after this season. And if DJ returns to Clemson in 2023, with Dabo waffling on who will start at QB, Cade will be a hotter transfer commodity than DJ with the top teams in the country.
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 2:11 PM
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Not why would would assume the worse. Also wondering what we should assume for the other hundred variables which are critical to the decision?
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 3:15 PM
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I thought variables went to Oklahoma
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 3:37 PM
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That’s why he said “the other hundred”
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Based on Cole Stoudt and Kelly Bryant situations
Jul 26, 2022, 2:12 PM
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Dabo is going to be extremely loyal to the more experienced starter.
So the answer to your question is yes.
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What? Watson beat out Stoudt
Jul 26, 2022, 2:54 PM
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when Watson was ready, and Lawrence beat out Bryant once it was clearly evident he was better.
Yet another backhanded attempt to drag down the football program.. lame as usual.
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Re: What? Watson beat out Stoudt
Jul 27, 2022, 6:44 AM
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I think what judge was saying is Dabo favored the senior guys in both 2014 and 2018. I think that with hindsight even Dabo would have Started DW4 in 2014 from the jump. Now in 2018 an argument can be made that TL needed more time but I still think he could have started from day 1.
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Freshman [-79]
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I honestly do not think I'm retrospect Dabo
Jul 28, 2022, 9:51 AM
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would have started DW over the guy who earned the job over his tenure. DW played a-plenty prior to taking over in game 4. Starting out with the senior incumbent who earned his stripes and opportunity to keep his job was the correct way to handle it, in my opinion.
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Bruh
Jul 26, 2022, 2:58 PM
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Cole Stoudt got yanked in favor of a true FR after 1 drive in his 2nd real game of the season, on the road against the #1 team in the country. That's a pretty short leash.
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Re: Bruh
Jul 27, 2022, 6:38 AM
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Uhh no that’s not what happened. DW4 only played in a couple series against GA. Cole played the vast majority of that game. Cole didn’t officially lose his spot until FSU. Dabo let them battle it out on the field but gave Cole the starts.
And GA wasn’t close to #1 in the country in 2014.
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As i said in my post
Jul 27, 2022, 9:39 AM
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2nd real game of the season on the road against the #1 team in the country (FSU).
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 2:20 PM
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Cade will have to outperform him obviously.
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Dabo has a history of giving the the incumbent...
Jul 26, 2022, 2:24 PM
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A LOT of latitude.
I think things would really have to come off the rails and into the ditch before he starts a true freshman QB.
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Re: Dabo has a history of giving the the incumbent...
Jul 26, 2022, 2:27 PM
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Did the rails really come off KB2? We go undefeated in the regular season with Bryant starting. Bryant was a very good college QB, just nowhere near as talented as Lawrence. No chance we win the championship that year without Lawrence at the reins though.
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TL16 was significantly better than KB...
Jul 26, 2022, 2:29 PM
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and a change needed to be made. That much was abundantly clear.
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Re: Dabo has a history of giving the the incumbent...
Jul 26, 2022, 2:43 PM
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I don't get this reasoning. Kelly Bryant wasn't a "really good QB"
He wasn't a bad QB, but he had a ton to work with. He was also at his max potential, and we saw that was not enough to beat a championship caliber team. Trevor was already competing with him the first few games despite being at his floor. His ceiling was wayyyyy higher, obviously. And time told that story. DJs potential is extremely high, despite his performance so far, and Cades is too. The difference, if Cade just just light it up, is experience.
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It Didagree.
Jul 26, 2022, 5:34 PM
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Freshman [-79]
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You're obsessed.
Jul 26, 2022, 5:40 PM
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Please get a life. 43 years old and searching for self-esteem on a sports message board 16 hours a day reeks of deep issues.
I'm trying to help you.
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I Didagree, Stan.***
Jul 26, 2022, 5:55 PM
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Freshman [-79]
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Disagree with what?
Jul 26, 2022, 8:23 PM
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That you have the emotional IQ of a 12 year old girl? You have 10,400 TDs, and you got banned because two of you many other usernames got caught voting for youself? And you think this normal behavior for a 43 year old woman? De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.
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Oculus Spirit [77087]
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I didagree!
Jul 26, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Can’t you read? My gawd, you seem to read things that aren’t there all the time? Why is that! Is it because you gaslight so much that you can’t remember which way you actually mean to feel? Is that deliberate for this charade or is dat you bro? Inquiring minds don’t want you to delay in responding.
Lol,
Good one Stan the Man.
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You need help***
Jul 26, 2022, 11:01 PM
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Oculus Spirit [77087]
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It’s ok to admit you have social problems,
Jul 26, 2022, 11:26 PM
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passed it down to your kids and greet at Wally! What’s important is we are all Tiger fans! Go Tigers!
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Freshman [-79]
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Again with the projection.
Jul 27, 2022, 1:06 AM
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You exhibit social problems every single day.
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I’m trying to help you, you know.
Jul 27, 2022, 8:15 AM
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There is more to life than social media. I mean, why are you so intent on making yourself think you’re a normal poster? Just go with the fact that everyone is different and your thing is making up new Scok’s to gaslight unsuspecting old people on a little sports message bored. I mean honestly, you really need some perspective, ma’am. As much time as you spend here you should pay your dues to btw. The mods work hard to give us a nice site, but people Like you, lady that freeload just detract from what it’s supposed to be. I mean, can’t you afford the Pennie’s per day or are you just really just one of those “it’s a free website” kinda women?
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As stated numerous times, and you continue to oblige
Jul 27, 2022, 11:23 AM
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The continued projection is one thing, but you seem to be slipping even further into utter insanity. From Tiger to Tiger, please get help.
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Oculus Spirit [77087]
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I mean, I don’t know what to tell you ma’am.
Jul 27, 2022, 3:57 PM
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You are completely nonsensical and need to get some perspective already. This is just a sports message bored and if you can’t just appreciate it for that, I think it’s you that is a little, how do you say, coo-coo? Geez, try donating and don’t forget to join IPTAY even though you didn’t go to Clemson or even know how to get there for Cootlumbia or maybe your car just can’t make it that far.
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You just keep projecting, flailing, and failing
Jul 27, 2022, 7:22 PM
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Who's the lady who got banned for creating usernames for the sole purpose of trying to increase her pulse and self-esteem, on a sports message board? That'd be you.
Who's the "miserable boo-hoo" who has launched over 2,600 TDs per year since she joined four years ago, on a mere sports message board? Again, that'd be you.
Weird thing is you just keep on projecting and projecting despite making it comically obvious over and over, day after day.
Carry on, stan.
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Re: You just keep projecting, flailing, and failing
Aug 18, 2022, 8:02 AM
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Who's the lady who got banned for creating usernames for the sole purpose of trying to increase her pulse and self-esteem, on a sports message board? That'd be you.
Who's the "miserable boo-hoo" who has launched over 2,600 TDs per year since she joined four years ago, on a mere sports message board? Again, that'd be you.
Weird thing is you just keep on projecting and projecting despite making it comically obvious over and over, day after day.
Carry on, stan.
I’ve been a lurker here since I got the internet for the first time as a teen at my parent’s house. I have gone more than a year without looking at Tnet, or I may browse the boards daily at times. I can tell you with full honesty that this person, BloodBeOrange, makes my skin crawl. There is a very weird vibe coming from him that smells very dishonest and fake. You and I can’t be the only people that feel that way. I’ve never read an honest opinion from him, just following whatever narrative that will make him “popular”. It takes a special kind of weirdo to be that cringe with words, on a forum.
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I didagree. The incumbent will ALWAYS
Jul 26, 2022, 3:19 PM
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get a shot in Dabo's system, but he doesn't keep playing them just for the sake of keeping them in.
Watson started his 3rd game as a true freshman, on the road at a good FSU team.
We tried true freshman TL in the 2nd game at Texas A&M (the first was Furman), but he wasn't ready. We won at TAMU because of KB's experience and skill. TL played significantly in the 3rd game against Georgia Southern, then won the job in the 4th game against GT.
Dabo isn't typically going to throw a true freshman QB into the starting position. He will always give the incumbent a chance to keep his job.
True freshman Deshaun Watson took over in his 3rd game, and true freshman Trevor Lawrence started his 4th game. Certainly reasonable in both cases.
DJ will start at GT and Cade will get 1st team snaps. We have a couple games to follow that against Furman and LA Tech. Both will play significantly. By the 4th game at Wake, we'll know who is performing better. If DJ isn't getting it done, Cade will start at Wake. Certainly by game 5 vs NC State, we'll have a starter clearly identified.
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Re: I didagree. The incumbent will ALWAYS
Aug 18, 2022, 4:28 AM
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This take is always funny to me. It's proof people only remember results and not context. Go back and watch that TAMU game. There was only like 1 pass Trevor missed, the rest was crappy play calling and inopportune timing of drops and offensive spurts. People just remember 3 and out, not WHY we went 3 and out. Same with the flip side. I hear it all the time. KB was needed to win that game. No, no he wasn't. Go watch it. When you run it twice, hunter Renfrew runs a route one yard short of the chains and Trevor hits him perfectly and you're off the field. That's way different than Trevor not performing and KB saves the day. I mean you could make the argument the offense had more faith in KB at that point and played better together or something, but pure performance wise with it in context you can't make the argument KB played better.
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The best scenario is DJU crushes it. But if not, all I ask
Jul 26, 2022, 2:31 PM
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is that Dabo give whoever is ready on the bench a decent chance. I don't feel like he really gave TP that chance last year when he stepped in and at least had a spark that DJU lacked.
If we are fortunate enough to have DJU crush it, then I hope Cade gets some snaps in real games after the outcome is decided. Last year was the first time in forever when the starters had to stay in almost every game.
But not the coot game.
BWUAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Re: The best scenario is DJU crushes it. But if not, all I ask
Jul 26, 2022, 5:49 PM
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TP was injured all last season. We didn’t really have a legitimate backup. By the time we went into cootville, we were limping even though we shutem out. Limped into the bowl game too. Go Tigers!!
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Fully depends on...
Jul 26, 2022, 2:31 PM
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The high end of each player if they are on par.
Dabo IMO sticks with DJU unless Cade is doing some DW4/TL16 things when he's in.
It's easy to get on the CK2 Train with nothing but last year's and spring's highlights.
IMO DJU probably will look better with the 1st team this year after last year's humble bumble... however, whoever looks better by the end of September is going to get a strong nod the rest of the season (pending no injuries and the offense is average or better).
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This made me laugh ...
Jul 26, 2022, 3:31 PM
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"It's easy to get on the CK2 Train with nothing but last year's and spring's highlights."
That's a WHOLE YEAR of highlights to evaluate. Not just one good or bad game.
Sports always HAS been and always WILL be about "What have you done for me lately?!"
One bad game is just an independent point. Two bad games is a trend. A whole season PLUS spring game??? That is either inconsistency or confirmation.
I hope DJ gets it together and has a great season, and I know there were things outside of his control that caused some bad things to happen.
But as a top QB, he should have been able to reset, adjust, and take advantage of our talent and the opponents' mistakes. And that didn't happen.
I think Dabo will know by the second game how this will play out ... and we will know by the 4th game.
GO TIGERS!!!!
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 2:44 PM
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If Cade is not outperforming him then DJ is the starter. Dabo will play the one who gives us the best chance of winning, and Dabo will give DJ plenty of opportunity to prove he is the better option.
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VERY.***
Jul 26, 2022, 2:48 PM
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 2:49 PM
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I expect so, but go back and look at some of last year's games. DJ looked brutal time after time. Poor accuracy, slow reads. I fear this is not a question of effort.
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Spring Game DJ was still off. I hope he improves his throwin
Jul 26, 2022, 3:06 PM
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but from what I've seen, he has yet to match his freshman accuracy. Time will tell, but I look for Cade to start 4 games in so DJ can chase the money somewhere else. I hope DJ performs, but I haven't seen the accuracy as of yet.
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 3:21 PM
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I know this isn't really the question, but assuming Cade is as good as advertised, I could see them having a plan to give Cade the 3rd or 4th drive of the game pretty early in the season, and go from there. They did this with DW4 in game 1 @ UGA, and the 2 following games, and by game 4, he was the starter.
Dabo likes to give the backups at any position at least SOME valuable experience when the game outcome is still uncertain. I don't know if this will happen in game 1 against GT, but it wouldn't surprise me. It likely comes down to how comfortable Cade is with the playbook at that point.
All that said, if DJ is at least serviceable, winning games, and taking care of the football, it's going to be tough for Cade to unseat him this season. I definitely think Cade will get some valuable snaps sooner than later. You don't want your backup QB to have no in-game experience, or only mop-up duty if his number is called in a pressure situation. It's DJ's job to lose right now, but I trust Dabo/Streeter to make the right call.
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 3:43 PM
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Of Cade isn’t outperforming him why would he bench DJ for Cade? I don’t think I understand the question?
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 5:49 PM
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I believe that this is like KB and TL again. DJ will start. CK will get playing time. Dabo may end up switching the starter if Cade distances himself from DJ. Dabo never intended for KB not to play. He just felt that TL deserved to be the starter.
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The question should be "why was DJ so bad last season"?
Jul 26, 2022, 6:15 PM
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Injuries? Confidence? OL & WR's? All of the above? I'll go with "all of the above". As for the 2020 season, DJ beat a bad BC team thanks to 224 yards of offense and a 40 yard kick off return from ETN and a Tiger home crowd. And we lost to Notre Dame on the road, a team we beat by 24 points 5 weeks later when TL16 returned.
But the biggest question is how does a player ranked 16 of 16 AC QB's and 95th nationally in 2021 turn it around? If coaches and DJ can pull it off, it will be the biggest QB turnaround in college football history. BC's Phil Jurkovec, 1st year Pitt starter Kedon Slovis, Louisville's Malik Cunningham, UVA's Brennan Armstrong, Wake's Sam Hartman, Miami's Tyler Van Dyke, NCSU's Devin Leary, usc's Spencer Rattler, and even Coastal's Grayson McCall are rated higher than DJ going into this season. We'll see if TNet has insights the critics lack. I hope I'm wrong, but I do not see the turnaround others are counting on.
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Re: The question should be "why was DJ so bad last season"?
Aug 18, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Those are my questions too. I think we all know he is just not a good QB. He’s a big man with a strong arm, and literally nothing else. I am of the mindset that if Cade doesn’t beat him out, that means the staff and whole country missed on him too. And that would be very painful. If Cade is just half the QB the others were, or maybe equally as good at certain things like KB2, Clemson will make it back to the playoffs. It’s impossible for someone to think DJU can make enough improvements to overcome all his many flaws. It was amazing they won 10 games having to deal with him at QB. For those that can’t separate it, I’m speaking of him as a player not a human being. I’m sure he’s a great kid.
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What I'll be looking for is the scheduled 4th or 5th series
Jul 26, 2022, 6:19 PM
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appearance by Cade at QB to start off a drive in Atlanta. Get some bright lights game in, and back to the bench to get coached up regardless of how well he did. Another appearance in the 2nd half pre-programmed in also, then who knows. Deshaun, Trevor, DJ, they've all gotten the freshman treatment early season. Dabo's said they like to schedule out as much as a quarter of plays heading into a game and don't vary too much. Trying out all the parts and pieces early then letting her roll from there. His high player usage falls right in line here, getting seasoning in at key positions as part of the game process. Dabo knows the long game. And football is a long game.
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 26, 2022, 6:32 PM
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The objective is to win the game. You can play good statistically and loose and be replaced thinking the next guy will play great. Answer then is DJ can be playing "good" but be replaced by one who may play great. You do not keep a Deshaun or Trevor on the bench. Is Cade one of those? I do not know. Bet the coaches have an idea by now.
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Ranked 3rd worst QB in FBS 2021
Jul 26, 2022, 11:42 PM
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He can really only improve
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I would hope that . .
Jul 27, 2022, 3:19 AM
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if the powers to be see teh same player as last year, a change is made. If he truly is improved, then it won't happen.
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Jul 27, 2022, 7:09 AM
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If he can't show serious improvement over last year fast, then I'd bench him. I mean really, all I have heard is how hard he has worked. I think he even went to Mars for some kinda camp with Falco. So he should be ready to roll.
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I guess I was trying to say.... If both are performing at
Aug 18, 2022, 10:49 AM
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relatively the same level, do you make the switch?
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Re: Would DJ have to be 'bad' to get benched?
Aug 18, 2022, 12:22 PM
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What is the margin of victory in each game.
Is it 30+ points against the cupcakes with 2nd and 3r team getting ample reps?
Is is 15+ points against ACC opponents?
Then DJ continues to start and Cade plays in 3rd quarter of blowouts and 4th quarter of 20+ wins.
If games are closer, then Cade will get more of a chance to show he has earned the starting job.
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I Think Dabo Ultimately Knows He Must Have His Best QB
Aug 18, 2022, 12:29 PM
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in place and ready for Doernens Doorknobs. DJ of last year would be dicey in that game this year. As long as DJ has advanced to a Top 40 QB he sticks with him.
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