So correct me if I'm wrong, but the playbook is two front,
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but the playbook is two front,
Nov 20, 2020, 7:41 AM
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Rudy and Sydney go out and spin and spin, muddying the waters, throwing Q conspiracy red meat to the base, keeping lawsuit after lawsuit in court even though they are thrown out almost immediately.
Then Trump on the other end calls, meets with, and pressures state voting officials to NOT certify the votes.
Why?
To stall. Keep stalling, no matter the craziness of the lawsuit it's not the point. The point is to keep everything tied up until the states that Trump has to have to win can not certify.
Then it gets thrown to the House where Trump has a better shot at winning.
The insanity is the point.
Did I miss something?
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Why would it hold up states from certifying their vote?
Nov 20, 2020, 7:52 AM
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It doesn't seem to be doing that. Georgia will certify today, Michigan and Pennsylvania Monday. The President isn't going to stop it.
It's only about sowing discord and maintaining image for his post-Presidency activities.
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Just using the example of that county in Michigan
Nov 20, 2020, 7:55 AM
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I can't remember which one, they certified the votes, President, or his people, called them directly, they then wanted to change their vote to certify but it was too late.
That action alone makes me think he wants to stop these states from certifying votes by using the power of his office and personality.
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But...it didn't work. And it won't work going forward.***
Nov 20, 2020, 8:06 AM
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Hopefully.***
Nov 20, 2020, 8:08 AM
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Re: Just using the example of that county in Michigan
Nov 20, 2020, 11:17 AM
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Coach,
I think that is in Trump's mind, but it is not going to work. These states are going to certify on time because their is NO evidence to casue them not to. This is the law actually working.
It is being preposterously challenge by the Looney Tunes legal team (Trump, Giuliani, & Powell), but the rule of law is being applied and enforced properly. As ridiculous as the Trump strategy is, we should all be proud that our laws and institutions are working properly.
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Re: Just using the example of that county in Michigan
Nov 21, 2020, 7:29 AM
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Revelation 3:7 New International Version To the Church in Philadelphia 7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia(A) write:
These are the words of him who is holy(B) and true,(C) who holds the key of David.(D) What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
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Re: Just using the example of that county in Michigan
Nov 21, 2020, 7:22 AM
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You mean the county that had more people vote than there are adults( notice I didn't say registered voters)
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How scary is it that Trump and Rudy are bumbling idiots?
Nov 20, 2020, 8:03 AM
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Imagine if they were competent.
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remember when Rudy wanted to be Secretary of State?
Nov 20, 2020, 8:14 AM
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that's a frightening thought
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Re: remember when Rudy wanted to be Secretary of State?
Nov 20, 2020, 8:24 AM
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Who is paying Rudy? It seems like they could get better.
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even Jones Day won't touch that dumpster fire
Nov 20, 2020, 8:25 AM
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for any amount of money.
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Re: So correct me if I'm wrong, but the playbook is two front,
Nov 20, 2020, 8:04 AM
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I think he is just building some hype up to help him with his media ventures once he is out of office. He wants to keep his cult loyal.
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if it goes to the House, I'd wager
Nov 20, 2020, 8:12 AM
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trump would not be selected. As you know, the states vote in their delegations which guarantees a GOP hold but I could see someone else getting it.
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If it goes to the House...
Nov 20, 2020, 8:17 AM
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Then a wannabe dictator has succeeded in subverting a democratic election and he must be forcibly removed.
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to the secret service NSA who may be monitoring
Nov 20, 2020, 8:20 AM
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for the record, I distance myself from the word "forcibly"
please don't black bag me bro
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Re: to the secret service NSA who may be monitoring
Nov 20, 2020, 11:56 PM
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Those of which you speak are running for cover. All will be exposed.
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What do people mean "Go to the House?"
Nov 20, 2020, 8:21 AM
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What scenario would that happen? That's what happens if no one gets a majority of Electoral Votes. That's not going to happen. Of course, President-elect Biden will have the majority. But even in the fantasy scenario, President Trump gets the majority if states are "overturned".
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If states don't certify, then technically nobody has 270***
Nov 20, 2020, 8:24 AM
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Also, if MI and PA get beamed into space, no one
Nov 20, 2020, 8:26 AM
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gets to 270. I mean...the states are going to certify.
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beam me up
Nov 20, 2020, 8:29 AM
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Mr. Speaker
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Re: If states don't certify, then technically nobody has 270***
Nov 20, 2020, 11:20 AM
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Actually, i think the more likely (of the 2 unlikely scenarios) is that a state might not certify bu the legal date required. This might allow a Republican controlled state legislature to name their own pro-Trump electors to the EC.
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Re: It’s ridiculous...
Nov 20, 2020, 11:25 AM
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Ford,
I am not surprised that Trump would go to ANY length to win. He is a totally amoral sociopath. He always has and always will put Trump before country.
I am a bit surprised (not too much) that so many in the GOP are standing silently by while this ridiculous threat to our democratic processes is allowed to proceed further and further into the land of autocratic la la.
I hope some moderate Americans will remember how many in the GOP put Trump before country in this fiasco.
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I consider myself pretty even keeled and middle of the road
Nov 20, 2020, 8:29 AM
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There are policies and concepts on both sides that I can behind
I don’t really go extreme on any particular topic
This is getting old and ridiculous
I’ve said it here before, there is probably some degree of fraud in every election, but it’s not enough to actually change the impact of the election (GA as an example, although that’s not exactly fraud, but irregularities I guess would be a better term)
Trump needs to give it up and we need to move along, any sort of disruption in the transition process is only going to have negative impacts on the country
I’m over it, cancel the media and get back to nightly news discussing the facts of the day.
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yes. I voted for trump based because it was in my
Nov 20, 2020, 8:31 AM
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financial interest to do so. Its now in my financial interest to have this go away and swear in Biden
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Actually, right now, our non-mainstream media...
Nov 20, 2020, 11:27 AM
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is a cluster-eff, IMO.
I think the MSM was way to slanted towards Biden leading into the election, but the election/post-election coverage has been pretty fair from what I've seen. The non-mainstream right-leaning media has been pushing blatant lies and purposely deceiving their consumers. And man a lot of them are lapping it up.
And I can agree in part on the voting systems in some places. There is no excuse for not having tracking systems to make sure someone doesn't forget to manually upload results from a specific memory stick. That is inexcusable in this day and age.
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They've shown themselves to be pro-Democrat propaganda
Nov 20, 2020, 11:34 AM
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They aren't even asking questions anymore, it's blatantly obvious. You or I will never be able to decipher what is true or false based on their coverage, or lack thereof.
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Re: I consider myself pretty even keeled and middle of the road
Nov 20, 2020, 11:27 AM
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fluff,
I agree, but I think it is time for other Republicans to step to the wheel and force this concession. It is obvious that Trump is not going to do it by himself.
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Re: So correct me if I'm wrong, but the playbook is two front,
Nov 20, 2020, 8:33 AM
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You didn't miss anything.
That's exactly what they're trying because elected officials are easier to get to than judges who are accountable to the actual law and can be disbarred with cause if they break it too flagrantly...and who have spent their entire careers in the service of the rule of law anyway.
Trump just hasn't a lot of joy corrupting even conservative judges. Even judges appointed by McConnell in the last term have tossed Trump's cases out of court, often with extreme irritation.
Mind, IF we get through this, Trump has actually provided a valuable service to America. He's shown us where all the fail points are in both our democracy and our culture and he stress-tested them to the absolute max. I very much hope we were paying attention because the next would-be dictator to take office isn't likely to be such a blazing nincompoop.
The wise Republicans would do well to take heed as well, because Trump is playing tired old populist cards to try to effect his outcomes...but the oldest and by far the easiest play in populism is: "The greedy rich folks have stolen all our money, let's go get 'em."
You think those blue-collar MAGA-hat wearing crowds that throng to see Trump are loyal lifelong Republicans? I'd look harder. Most of them are just anti-establishment and desperate, in a slow inexorable vice grip caused by ever-shrinking wages and ever-shrinking opportunities for blue-collar workers along with ever-growing costs of living, and a real good populist can turn those folks at the drop of a hat if he (or she, looking at you, AOC!) speaks to them the right way. Trump's just the only one who's bothered to talk to them at all in awhile. Hillary turned up her nose and sniffed disdainfully at them, dubbed them the "Deplorables." A populistic Socialist assuredly wouldn't be that dumb.
Democracy and adherence to the rule of law are the only thing that keeps the angry mob off our doorsteps, and I think we'd all do well to remember that.
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Re: So correct me if I'm wrong, but the playbook is two front,
Nov 20, 2020, 9:01 AM
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This will be the new trend. It started with the Dems undermining Trump's Presidency with cries of illegitimacy. It now continues with conservatives painting Biden an illegitimate. You'll see it again in four years.
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I agree with the continuance. I disagree on when it started
Nov 20, 2020, 9:10 AM
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I say it was Pubs on Obama. They threw a #### #### fit at the first black president.
Dems escalated the game with Trump.
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you're suggesting Juan McCain undermined the Obama victory?***
Nov 20, 2020, 9:11 AM
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Re: you're suggesting Juan McCain undermined the Obama victory?***
Nov 20, 2020, 11:30 AM
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No he said Reps and the presidency - not McCain and the election itself.
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Re: I agree with the continuance. I disagree on when it started
Nov 20, 2020, 9:18 AM
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There were isolated cases of crazies tossing around accusations about Obama's birth but I don't recall such widespread, persistent allegations of illegitimacy - actually leading to impeachment - levied at Obama.
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That's why I said the craziness was started with Obama
Nov 20, 2020, 9:19 AM
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and ramped up under Trump
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Re: Isolated cases of crazies did that?
Nov 20, 2020, 9:55 AM
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And you think millions of Americans, many of whom voted for Obama - twice, voted for Trump because he was a birther?
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Re: Just a reminder
Nov 21, 2020, 7:20 AM
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You will soon be able to see why Trump was impeached. He was a major threat to a very powerful group.
They never counted on him being so popular and forgot that God was on his side.
Mark my words!
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Re: I agree with the continuance. I disagree on when it started
Nov 20, 2020, 11:35 AM
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Dawg,
As far as Obama Impeachment was concerned, there was this:
During Barack Obama's tenure as President of the United States from 2009 to 2017, certain Republican members of Congress, as well as Democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich,[1] stated that Obama had engaged in impeachable activity and that he might face attempts to remove him from office.[2] Rationales offered for possible impeachment included false claims that Obama was born outside the United States, that he allowed people to use bathrooms based on their gender identity, the 2012 Benghazi attack, and Obama's enforcement of immigration laws.
The closest attempt to impeach Obama occurred on December 3, 2013. On this date, the House Judiciary Committee, controlled by Republicans, held a hearing on whether or not to impeach the president. At the hearing, there were views among Republicans that the president had not done his duty, while simultaneously abusing his executive power. The hearing was attended by partisan Georgetown University law professor Nicholas Quinn Rosenkranz who encouraged impeachment claiming it was a good check on what he perceived as "executive lawlessness" from Obama.[3][4] Impeachment efforts never advanced past this, mainly due to consistent opposition from Speaker of the United States House of Representatives John Boehner who saw impeachment as politically harmful to congressional Republicans, as well as the near-unanimous consensus that impeachment would not lead to Obama's removal in a senate trial rendering such efforts a waste of time. [5] Indeed, no list of articles of impeachment was ever drawn up and proposed to the Judiciary Committee for Obama or anyone in his cabinet. Obama was the first president since Jimmy Carter who managed to not have any articles of impeachment referred against him to the House Judiciary Committee.
Multiple surveys of U.S. public opinion found that a near supermajority of Americans rejected the idea of impeaching Obama, though a bit more than a simple majority of Republicans did support such efforts. For example, CNN found in July 2014 that 57% of Republicans supported impeachment, but in general, 65% of American adults, disagreed with impeachment with only 33% supporting such efforts.[6]
But, to my mind, far more destructive was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc&ab_channel=PoliticalHay
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The playbook is to keep repeating phrases until the followers believe it fully
Nov 21, 2020, 1:36 AM
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Fake news: now everybody claims fake news
Fraud in election: now many feel fraud without any evidence. They just know it exists
Trump keeps claiming he won. All the followers keep claiming he won.
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