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LSD
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Feb 13, 2025, 7:17 AM
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lol not LSSD
Large Scale Social Deception
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Re: If you believe the MSM, you are not smart.
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Feb 13, 2025, 7:41 AM
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Breaking911 is the purveyor of truth. Seriously, are you that gullible to believe this?
Meanwhile, back at Fox News, Rupert Murdoch went to court to change his family’s trust to give one of his sons control of his media empire and ensure Fox News “maintains its conservative editorial” slant.
This is well documented. Many court filings. Many court proceedings. Rupert wants to maintain its editorial slant.
All of you super smart shrewd English majors, know the difference between “editorial” and “News”. But that excludes most of the fox viewers, who thought they were watching news for the past few decades, and have actually been watching a TV version of the national inquirer.
https://www.nationalenquirer.com/
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Re: If you believe the MSM, you are not smart.
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Feb 13, 2025, 7:47 AM
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Who cares what whoever owns Foxnews is doing with his kids. This is about the govt paying the media with tax dollars to spread its propaganda. Two totally different things.
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^^ also gullible ^^***
Feb 13, 2025, 8:20 AM
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Assuming this is even remotely real (and I know which way I'd bet),
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Feb 13, 2025, 7:50 AM
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check out the Start Date, Tom.
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Nice catch. But now that we have Trump, this will never happen again.
Feb 13, 2025, 8:33 AM
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smh
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You don't have a single ounce of curiosity...
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Feb 13, 2025, 7:59 AM
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Do you?
I spent 3 minutes researching this...did you? If you did, you're purposely spreading misinformation...if you didn't, you are just gullible and easily manipulated.
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Why can't it be both? - Dr Zoidberg***
Feb 13, 2025, 11:49 AM
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Spiracies are back on the menu boys***
Feb 13, 2025, 8:15 AM
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Pretty sure I know the reason for that payment.
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Feb 13, 2025, 8:25 AM
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You may be surprised, it was for the public good? Possibly? This is the crap that should never make the light of day IMHO. It could have prevented an economic recession, possibly a war, who knows.
Anyway, look at the company's leadership and you will understand. Or probably not. Thompson Reuters is a huge governemnt contractor, always have been. They have roles in DOD, health data, foreign relations, intelligence, law enforcement, etc. The only subsidiary most people know about is their media/news division. Same for Northrup Grumman, IBM, AT&T, Lockheed Martin, these contractors have MANY roles where they assist the federal governemnt in every aspect from military hardware, to intelligence, to data mining, to health data, to law enforcement data, to WHATEVER.
Their board/leaders:
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Until November 2018, Costa held numerous leadership positions at the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), including Chief Strategy Officer, member of the CIA’s corporate board, Acting Assistant Director, Center Chief of Operations, and other senior executive and operations positions. Prior to joining the CIA in early 2001, Costa was a consultant and entrepreneur in the management consulting and technology space.
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Prior to joining Thomson Reuters in 2008, Steve was Vice President and General Manager of the ChoicePoint Government Services division for ChoicePoint, Inc. He has served as an advisory board member of the Homeland Security Philanthropic Council and the Business Executives for National Security (BENS). Previously, he served as a board member with both the Federation for Identity and Cross-Credentialing Systems (FiXs) and the National Coalition for the Prevention of Economic Crime.
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With more than 30 years of public and private sector experience in federal law enforcement and the banking industry, he is a recognized leader in global law enforcement, national security and intelligence, and financial crimes investigations and compliance. Jim’s career in government service began in 1986 with the U.S. Customs Service, and in 1988 he became a U.S. Customs Special Agent investigating cross border criminal activity. In 2010, Jim led the formation of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), the nation’s second largest federal investigative department. Jim retired from federal law enforcement in 2014 and joined TRSS as General Manager.
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Jennifer has more than 15 years of sales and account management experience in the National Security sector.
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Prior to Empower AI, Ryan held business development and operational leadership roles at ASRC Federal, Solerity, and AMERICAN SYSTEMS.
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T.J. is a recognized thought leader in the application of proprietary public records and open source intelligence in the national security mission space. Prior to joining TRSS in 2009, T.J. led a team of analysts at the National Cyber-Forensics and Training Alliance (NCFTA) that in partnership with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identified and neutralized global cybercrime threats.
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Bob is dedicated to the design and development of software and data solutions that address the critical needs of Law Enforcement, the Intelligence Community, and the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD). He is focused on insider threat detection, text analysis, big data technologies, machine learning, encryption, and information retrieval technologies and how they can be applied to real world problems.
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Ultimate Tiger [34890]
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If you search up the contract number everything is there...
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Feb 13, 2025, 8:43 AM
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DARPA had a contract with Reuters Special Services, which provides data/AI services focused on risk assessment and management. The contract was data support for Active Social Engineering DEFENSE.
But yeah...the government is paying a news service to manipulate the public...some of these guys are dangerously gullible.
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So Reuters' propaganda 'arm' isn't the real problem. It's the government's
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Feb 13, 2025, 12:00 PM
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privatization and outsourcing of CIA/NSA operations that we should be concerned about. Got it.
Always one step removed for plausible deniability... It's the conman's way.
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Your stupidity and imagination knows no bounds***
Feb 13, 2025, 1:11 PM
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"DEFENSE" from the DARPA derps... Sure. Political manipulation more apropos.***
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Feb 13, 2025, 1:22 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [34890]
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You using the random word generator again?***
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lol..who isn't smart again?***
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So, it would be interesting to hear what the expenditure was actually for
Feb 13, 2025, 10:09 AM
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And it may be wasteful, or may not. I'm not sure.
But I also did want to see if it was real for myself (meaning if the screenshot shown was actually from the web site it purports to be).
It does seem to be an accurate screenshot.
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_FA865018C7886_9700_-NONE-_-NONE-
Again, I'm not qualified (based on this alone) to argue it's harmful or wasteful, etc... but I at least wanted to identify if it was real.
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If you believe Tom, you are not smart.***
Feb 13, 2025, 10:51 AM
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Re: If you believe the MSM, you are not smart.
Feb 13, 2025, 10:52 AM
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Nice source. Nice try.
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Wow, lots of not smart people.***
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Re: Wow, lots of not smart people.***
Feb 13, 2025, 11:34 AM
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I won't say you aren't smart, because who knows. I will say that you are very gullible and fall for just about every idiotic conspiracy theory. I am not sure if that means you could still be smart, possibly dumb, or that it means nothing.
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Ultimate Tiger [34890]
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he purposefully spreads misinformation***
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Feb 13, 2025, 1:14 PM
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it's 100% legit and I showed you how to check
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flow0440® 19B® spooneye® SolidOrange89
So how about you Libs of TNet get off your #### and do the fact-checking yourself. Here is the live link:
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_FA865018C7886_9700_-NONE-_-NONE-
It is not fake, was started in 2018 and ended in late 2022.
They spent $9.15M.
The description is "ACTIVE SOCIAL ENGINEERING DEFENSE (ASED) LARGE SCALE SOCIAL DECEPTION (LSD)"
If you look at the USASpending page and scroll down to Competition Details...you will see the Solicitation ID is blank. This is the only way I know of to find out what the government asked for in the request for proposal. But since there is no number, we can't look it up - so try something else.
I looked it up in FPDS.gov and there were 34 bidders for this work. It was a DARPA project and the Air Force was the executing agency (the ones who let the contract).
There were six awards: HRL labs, Canadian Commercial, RTX BBN, USC (the other one), and Research Foundation for the State of NY.
The Solicitation number is HR001117S0050 and link is here https://sam.gov/opp/48b0c060f90c567742acceb2dfe8c7e7/view. There are no documents to show what the gov't asked for. They might have been classified.
They called it "Active Social Engineering Defense (ASED)." Not uncommon to name things "defense" when it can also be used for offense.
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Listen...this is getting tiresome...
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Feb 13, 2025, 1:30 PM
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with you and your kind on here.
It's not that it's a fake charge or graphic...it's just NOT THE GOVERNMENT PAYING THE MEDIA FOR DISINFORMATION. Seriously, get some gotdang sense. I explained what the info shows above.
Thomson Reuters Special Services is not the media. https://www.trssllc.com/ It is a data company.
Is that the part that is confusing you?
And what about me makes me a Lib of Tnet? Can I start referring to you as Dik of Tent?
It's bad enough you're gullible, but then you claim to do research and you just expose yourself as inept.
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"Large Scale Social Deception"... Explain that.***
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Read the gotdang contract and dig a bit...
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Feb 13, 2025, 1:49 PM
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it's DARPA using a risk analysis / Data AI company to study how to defend against Large Scale Social Deception.
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For whom...? What part of all those USAID-> NGO-> Lib Media were they defending?
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Feb 13, 2025, 2:01 PM
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Meanwhile, their top 5 officers were making close to $3M / year... Just another Mclean, VA 'think tank' grift.
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Did you post this in the right place?***
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Exactly... One agency financing what another claims to be defending against.
Feb 13, 2025, 2:13 PM
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It's ALL BS.
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Re: Listen...this is getting tiresome...
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Solid implied it was fake when he says "Breaking911 is the purveyor of truth. Seriously, are you that gullible to believe this?" And you seemed to emphasize that...
I agree that finding the title of this work doesn't tell us any details about what it is. But your assumption that "all is good" is quite revealing in that you have already decided that all is good without knowing chit about it.
The fact that the RFP docs are not available is a bit fishy.
I've run DARPA projects and had a clearance for decades. I can't say a lot here that I'd like to, so read between the lines.
The way to really find out what this was is to FOIA the project deliverables. Not sure DARPA would give them out, so it would probably have to be another government agency to ask for the deliverables.
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No...the OP said "if you believe the MSM"...
Feb 13, 2025, 2:29 PM
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the linked post was directly saying that the government was paying a MSM company to spread disinformation. That is just a flat lie on multiple points, period.
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Just their corporate subsidiary... That's okay. Nothing to see here.***
Feb 13, 2025, 2:31 PM
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So, in your expert opinion you think the Trump admin...
Feb 13, 2025, 3:17 PM
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Was paying a corporate subsidy? Why?
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No, some Pentagon general close to retirement and prepping for a nest egg...***
Feb 13, 2025, 3:21 PM
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Right...pure fantasy...you're just making crap up again***
Feb 13, 2025, 3:23 PM
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So you know who authorized it...? Somewhere in the DOD...Maybe a Admiral?***
Feb 13, 2025, 3:27 PM
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DARPA has a budget and Congress has oversight....
Feb 13, 2025, 3:56 PM
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Past that, I try not to make things up where I don't know. You should try that sometime.
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He showed the contract above. Was that made up?***
Feb 13, 2025, 4:08 PM
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Hi NC, appreciate the shout-out.
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I respond by reference to flow's posts on the topic.
And I'll add just this general note, which is something I've mentioned a few times in the past:
I've been seeing people argue like this in here since 1999. Looks like you've been here for a long time as well, although I don't recall seeing you until recent years. Many of us old-timers know how disinformation works now that we've seen so much of it. Please read the Jonathan Swift quote in my signature line, below. As the quote suggests, there is simply no way--in the time afforded to us mere mortals--to address every lie. To separate the kernel of truth, which is typically present in every post like Tom's, from the lies surrounding it.
Instead, we have to consider the reputation of the person who made the post. I can't think of anyone exceeding Tom's reputation for falsehoods. As you might imagine, it has been a real time-saver to simply assume everything he posts is a lie, knowing from past experience that the assumption would generally prove true.
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And yet this time, YOU were wrong.***
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You are a lost cause....
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You've been shown how the OP was total crap...yet you still think you're "right"
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Reuters... "Total crap."***
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OK, this is my last response in this thread because it's all downhill from here.
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So now SOLOS responds that I'm wrong. Although not the liar Tom is, SOLOS has also earned a reputation that leads reasonable people to generally ignore him. I don't say this to be mean. Honestly, I wish he would be more interested in grasping other people's ideas, because I think he cares about the topics. As opposed to Tom, who is intentionally spreading lies.
So what is SOLOS's reputation? If you don't know it, learn it through this thread:
1. Tom posted a tweet that says Reuters was paid millions of dollars for "large scale social deception" and suggests that this means "the left is in total panic mode" because "the walls are literally closing in on massive scams."
Now, there are several important things about that claim that's false. It's not "the MSM" because it's not Reuters the news service. No one is panicking about a scam involving any Reuters company. That because the document does not show that the government actually purchased large scale (or any scale) social deception from anyone. (And let's not go into the tweet's hilarious misuse of "literally.")
2. Flow, ever the patient man, researched the claim and realized the reality behind the so-called "massive scam"--which is that there isn't one. Nor does the tweet prove any actual reason why you're stupid to believe the MSM, as Tom falsely stated.
3. NC_Tiger, seemingly unaware of why Tom's post was false, tried to prove to me and other doubters that the phrase "large scale social deception" does indeed show up in government documents. Which they do. That's not the false part.
4. Flow explained the false part.
5. SOLOS, apparently oblivious to Flow's entire point, simply repeated (with less clarity) NC_Tiger's post: "Large Scale Social Deception"... Explain that."
6. Flow responded to SOLOS with an honest attempt to clarify further.
7. They go back and forth. And back and forth. The conversation devolves, but refuses to die. After 2 hours, SOLOS is no closer to understanding why Tom's post was false.
Fin
And here's the thing. It's okay to disagree. But disagreements have to at least agree on the subject matter of the disagreement. SOLOS, by contrast, failed to understand flow's point in the first place. Which is why SOLOS's responses fly off the rails, asking irrelevant questions and postulating unknown boogeymen (the imaginary admiral) caught up in a conspiracy he just invented.
This is why I typically don't respond to SOLOS.
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I never learn...
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I just can't believe folks can serious be this dense and I don't think it's an act.
But the not responding is the smarter way. I had a lot of down time today in planes trains and automobiles 
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Odd you keep leaving the "defense" part out...I'm sure it's an honest mistake***
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Honestly, if this thing
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were that sinister, the data for it would not be in USASPending.gov.
There are many programs that are exempt from having their data publicly accessible. It must not be that hard within the gov't to get that done, so either someone messed up in this case or this project was a standard type of DARPA project that probably figured out at some point their program was or should be classified. Not sinister, just classified.
Been there, done that...
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I don't claim to know for sure....
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But I'd bet you're FOS
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Lololololololol
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You're precious
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