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Is there something more to firing the volleyball coach

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 11:23 PM
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than meets the eye? They play volleyball in a second rate gym that doesn't have a ceiling tall enough to qualify as a real volleyball arena right? It would be like if we were playing football on the baseball field and had to switch the direction the offense is running so anyone scoring a TD wouldn't run into the fence. No telling the locker room facilities they have. The coach takes the team to heights not seen in a decade. And she gets the axe. I'm guessing it's not because she cursed at her players or that she has too high of an attrition rate that she got fired. Did she have words with Radakovick or something over the volleyball program not getting its share of the loot being spread out on that side of campus for the softball team? Was she making too much? Maybe the master plan is to get a volunteer coach to save money or have the team be self-directed in order to cut into the 20 mil budget shortfall. To me I don't always see the sense in some of the facility improvements. Littlejohn getting a makeover that seemed more like an exercise of musical chairs. Death Valley getting an oculus. A slide in the football facility. All came before we have a facility with enough ceiling height to hold a real competition volleyball game.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 11:28 PM
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He probably told her to fire an assistant to help make look like he was doing something and she told him to pound sand. Seems to be the only thing that gets a head coach fired.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 11:34 PM
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I don't know much about the Clemson volleyball program but is this "taking the team to heights not seen in a decade"?

In four seasons under the direction of Franklin, the program compiled a 49-68 (.418) overall record and a 21-50 (.296) mark in league play. The Tigers were 12-10 overall and 6-9 in league play in the 2020-21 season that ended in April, finishing 11th in the ACC.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 12:08 AM
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She took over a team that had won 2 conference games in 2 seasons combined, so yes.

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Yes. The coach before her

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 12:10 AM
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Was one of the worst coaches in Clemson history across all sports.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 12:25 AM
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Thanks for the information. I did not know our volleyball program was so bad.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 12:16 AM
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Has our volleyball program been so bad that what she accomplished could be considered “new heights “?

The funding of non-revenue sports in our athletic department seems to continue to be a confusing topic for many, especially in relation to our football program. I’ll lay out the obvious again.

1. The volleyball program would not have an air pump to inflate their balls if it weren’t for the football program.

2. Volleyball has not, nor ever will be able to pay their own way.

3. A new facility for the volleyball program I imagine would probably help their recruiting, however this should only occur if a surplus is found in the budget after Memorial Stadium renovations have been done and every football player has acquired every possible advantage that could be possibly given to them to maintain the current status of the program.

4. I would guess that 80 to 90 percent of the Clemson fan base could not have given you the name of the volleyball coach if you held a gun to their head, meaning there is obviously a lack interest in the program .

Clemson isn’t Texas, Ohio State, or Texas A@M. There is not unlimited funds. The football program should always receive top priority especially if DRad is determined to add more “dead weight” sports that will need to be funded.

Having said all that, I hope the volleyball program goes on to win many games, and doing so while limiting the amount of drain they are on the athletic program would be even better.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 12:47 AM
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Everyone here understands that football is the big money maker.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 4:35 AM
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Everyone also understands that money is a finite resource.

The OP asked a very valid question though: why are some facilities embarrassingly bad (e.g., Jervey for volleyball) while other facilities get seemingly over the top facility enhancements?

The slide in the football building is different and attention grabbing, but is it really more important than having a reasonable volleyball facility?

DRad is already talking about possibly expanding the softball stadium - a stadium that was just built.

This isn’t to detract from the important of giving football what it needs and wants, or from how amazing our new softball program has been. But all of our sports should have good if not great facilities before we start adding completely unnecessary enhancements to other facilities. Otherwise, why even have a volleyball program?

If it’s just about title IX, and we don’t want to spend the money on volleyball, just nix it and start a different women’s sport like lacrosse or field hockey that can play at Riggs Field and thus would add no facility costs.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 5:06 AM
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It’s really not that hard.

Football gets 100% priority. Reason being they pay the bills. Clemson isn’t rich, we have sports that draw basically zero interest from the fan base. We have them because of Title 9. However ,some of those sports are going to have to deal with less than superb facilities. If it comes down to a slide for recruiting “pop” in a football facility or new locker rooms for women’s volleyball, you would be a fool to choose the latter. Not only would you be spending money on a product that draws zero interest, but you would be doing so while taking away from the one sport that pays the bills for that volleyball program.

Now if your argument is , why are we adding or keeping so many non-revenue sports when we’re already over the number for Title 9 compliance, I’ll agree with you .

Clemson ran at a 20 million dollar deficit last year, if I remember correctly from the article yesterday. I’d bet your paycheck that 95% of the athletic programs in the next 4 years are going to be cutting sports. Inflation is about to take off and I don’t believe we’re going to see the IPTAY giving levels of 2014-2019 again for quite some time.

As a matter of fact, I can see DRAD selling off the naming rights of our stadiums/arenas in the next 2 to 3 years .

Maybe volleyball should just go the route track did. Get on Facebook and file suit that they are being discriminated against. DRAD doesn’t seem to handle things like that well, so he may just sell the Football Ops center to Wal-Mart to raise money for a new 2k seat volleyball complex that can be expanded to 3k seats in another 2 years.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 8:22 AM
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But if it’s truly about what you said, then let’s stop putting any money into a sport not named football or men’s basketball, get those as amazing as possible, and then worry about the money losing sports if there is anything left over. So absolutely no improvements to Doug Kingsmore, no new stadium for softball, etc.

My point was that if a sport has facilities that are as bad as the OP said volleyball is (e.g., a roof below what is currently considered appropriate height) that is embarrassing and should be fixed.

No one is asking for flashy volleyball facilities, but don’t you agree that the facilities it does have should be reasonable and safe out of fairness to our student athletes?

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 7:00 PM
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I don't think it's fair to lump men's basketball in the same sentence as football either.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 7:22 PM
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I was just about to say the same. basketball (historically) is no where close to the football and baseball programs.

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Football and men’s basketball are the only two sports that on campus that make money.


Posted: May 8, 2021, 11:15 AM
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It wasn’t a slight to our amazing football program, and I’m sorry you took it that way.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 8:29 AM
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Absolutely none of what you said is relevant

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 10:48 AM
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I promise you, volleyball is not taking any money away from football. Football gets anything and everything they want.

Judge’s point is valid because volleyball is the last sport to not get a facility upgrade in the last decade. Golf, soccer, softball, baseball, basketball and yes even tennis (after a long wait) got big upgrades in the 2010s. Volleyball did not.

I believe Vanderbilt and Oklahoma State are the only major conference athletic programs that don’t have a volleyball program. So dropping it would likely not be a good choice unless we wanted to put all those resources into the new women’s sport like lacrosse.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 11:05 AM
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I realize it’s a chicken and egg thing but the programs you mentioned have all been reasonably successful at one point or another. You create your own leverage with success. In the case of softball, I’m sure that was all part of getting the coach as well as the fact that softball is very popular in the southeast. Basically they put fans in the seats.

You could likely have the best volleyball facilities in the conference and even compete at the top of the conference, and people still wouldn’t likely attend a match. Just the way it is. Supply and demand.

I’ve said before too that what football and basketball do for their facilities helps draw future recruits which exponentially helps the other programs with revenue...more than any of them could do on their own.

I do however think it’s pretty tough to expect a coach to win if the facilities are in fact that bad. It can be done but it’s a tall order. I think if their mindset is to not fund better facilities, then they should accept whatever outcome they get...if that’s the reason the coach was fired.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 7:44 AM
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Just since we always disagree I’ll point out that evidence would suggest most people do not understand money is finite much less “everyone” understanding it.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 7:51 AM
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Everyone also understands that money is a finite resource.

The OP asked a very valid question though: why are some facilities embarrassingly bad (e.g., Jervey for volleyball) while other facilities get seemingly over the top facility enhancements?

The slide in the football building is different and attention grabbing, but is it really more important than having a reasonable volleyball facility?

DRad is already talking about possibly expanding the softball stadium - a stadium that was just built.

This isn’t to detract from the important of giving football what it needs and wants, or from how amazing our new softball program has been. But all of our sports should have good if not great facilities before we start adding completely unnecessary enhancements to other facilities. Otherwise, why even have a volleyball program?

If it’s just about title IX, and we don’t want to spend the money on volleyball, just nix it and start a different women’s sport like lacrosse or field hockey that can play at Riggs Field and thus would add no facility costs.




The slide has nothing to do with volleyball as the comparison is not valid. Mr. Reeves donated money to build the football building meaning private money. Had he not donated to the football program the chances he would have donated the same dollars to the Volleyball program is doubtful.

One could debate the new video board in DV vs a top flight volleyball court but football pays the freight for every-single-sports-program at clemson so I would go with the giant video board. For me Volleyball could easily be a club sport.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 10:04 AM
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Just my opinion but...

If a new volleyball facility cost the same as adding a slide to a building instead of a stair case then we would probably build 2.

I'm pretty sure softball was sold out every game in the '20 and '21 (limited capacity) seasons.

If every game is a sellout, then you are likely leaving paying customers sitting at home.

If more softball seating means they earn more money and are less of a drain on the budget then it is a wise move.

Increasing seating will also likely help softball earn regional or super regional bids in the future when there are full stadiums which is a big boost to their budget.

It's not likely that a new volleyball facility would generate any income as we don't come close to filling the gym for matches now.

Many of the "unnecessary" improvements are to increase the number of fans or to improve the fan experience.

Fans pay the bills as shown by our $20 million deficit being attributed to lack of football attendance.

If new box seats or a new video board or more seats in softball help bring in more money to the athletic department, then those things will always happen before improvements to sports that have no ability to increase profit margins.

If Clemson has a surplus then volleyball will likely be in line to get some improvements, but why would they mention upgrades that have little chance of a financial return when we are short $20 million?

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 11:00 AM
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But if our volleyball facilities are truly as bad as the OP mentioned, then I believe they should be upgraded to 21st century standards. Our student-athletes who play volleyball deserve that, don't you think?

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 11:27 AM
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I think it would be wonderful to upgrade volleyball facilities and I know the girls work hard and deserve the best, but outside of the facility no longer functioning an upgrade isn't mandatory.

In order to choose to do an upgrade one of two things must happen.

A volleyball-loving donor (not sure Clemson has one) can fork over the money to upgrade the facility or

the athletic department must have a surplus large enough to feel comfortable spending money on something that won't make them any money.

Each of the recent upgrades on campus have given the university the opportunity to make more money.

If the school could figure out how to make money off of a Jervey upgrade then I'm sure it would be in the works.

I wonder why practicing in Jervey and playing in Littlejohn has never been explored.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 6:29 PM
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My question would be why they can't play volleyball in the basketball arena even if they have to schedule carefully.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 9:12 PM
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And holes for the poles holding the net on the floor at LJ.

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Posted: May 8, 2021, 10:42 AM
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Everyone also understands that money is a finite resource.

The OP asked a very valid question though: why are some facilities embarrassingly bad (e.g., Jervey for volleyball) while other facilities get seemingly over the top facility enhancements?

The slide in the football building is different and attention grabbing, but is it really more important than having a reasonable volleyball facility?

DRad is already talking about possibly expanding the softball stadium - a stadium that was just built.

This isn’t to detract from the important of giving football what it needs and wants, or from how amazing our new softball program has been. But all of our sports should have good if not great facilities before we start adding completely unnecessary enhancements to other facilities. Otherwise, why even have a volleyball program?

If it’s just about title IX, and we don’t want to spend the money on volleyball, just nix it and start a different women’s sport like lacrosse or field hockey that can play at Riggs Field and thus would add no facility costs.


Judge I could not have said it better If you are going to have a sport you need to support it and have at least average facilities I’m not familiar with our VB facilities but it seems a dump from this board My take is if folks are not willing to pay for a ticket to see the sport then we need to drop it Tiger Athletics has always been supported by little guys like me I started at $10 per year in the 70s I’m up to $3600 Iptay with the cost of 6 tickets for football now We don’t have the doctor lawyers and other professionals that can pour millions into a program like most of the other major programs We are very fortunate to be where we are and great leadership from the Pres Board Rad and never to be left out Dabo Swinney has saved us

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 7:14 PM
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>4. I would guess that 80 to 90 percent of the Clemson fan base could not have given you the name of the volleyball coach if you held a gun to their head, meaning there is obviously a lack interest in the program . <

I understand the reality of college sports and the economics thereof..... but technically it's not there for you, the fan. It's for the students. Student athletes. We get further away from that every year, and soon there's going to have to be a parting of the ways between colleges and defacto minor league sports.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 12:35 AM
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Thanks for contributing to it, though!


Posted: May 7, 2021, 3:59 AM
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Here, I’ll help bump it to the top again.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 8:46 AM
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Posted: May 7, 2021, 9:03 AM
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Her record speaks for its self. If you don’t win more than you lose you got to go. She didn’t and she got to go. I understand you are her mother but you must understand

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Posted: May 8, 2021, 11:55 AM
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She was doing a good job overall. I don’t believe you understand how bad we were before she was hired. Our previous coach was AWFUL.

She was making the program better/ish. I just don’t believe she should have been fired yet. Maybe she hit the ceiling and we couldn’t go much higher but I believe she deserved another year or two before being fired.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 9:20 AM
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What is the slide in the football building? Thanks.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 10:23 AM
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A stainless steel half pipe slide from the 2nd floor to the first. Its actually a quick way to get from the upstairs offices/meeting rooms to the locker room / weight room.

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Posted: May 8, 2021, 11:57 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WGeDtnN6ejU

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Is there a reason they can't play in LJC?

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 11:09 AM
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I realize there will be tons of empty seats, but Duke volleyball matches are in Cameron and UNC matches are in Carmichael and seems to work out just fine.

That would definitely solve the issue of the ceiling being too low.

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rafters in Littlejohn get in the way?




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Posted: May 7, 2021, 5:37 PM
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Only if Ucheat needs extra storage space.

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Sounds like you are underestimating how skrong some women volleyball players are.


Posted: May 7, 2021, 6:53 PM
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Sexist much? ;)

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