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Is it too much to ask for people to stop disrespecting the

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:17 PM

National anthem with their self absorbed chants about their school/other interests during the middle of the song?

UVA yelling Hoos in place of whose
NCSU yelling Wolfpack instead of Brave
Maryland yelling O for the Orioles
Some school yells RED during the song, maybe State?

I'm sure there are others. Is Clemson the only school in the ACC who respects the anthem?

Stand up, put your right hand over your heart (take ur hat off, if applicable) or salute the flag, sing if you want, but stop with all the other crap.

That is all. GO TIGERS!

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Not trying to be a wise guy but why play the anthem at all?***

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:20 PM



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why not ? it's national pride, this is still the greatest

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:32 PM

country in the world, even with all of our problems. the grass ISN'T always greener on the other side.

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He is bringing up a good point………...

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:39 PM

When, where, and why did the national anthem start being played before every single sports event?

Have no problem with it, but sick and tired of people moaning about the different renditions of the song at several million sporting events a year.

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Re: He is bringing up a good point………...


Mar 16, 2014, 1:40 PM

I would assume it started w pro baseball. oldest pro sport, most games, etc

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Re: He is bringing up a good point………...


Mar 16, 2014, 1:41 PM

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/6957582/the-history-national-anthem-sports-espn-magazine

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thank you***


Mar 16, 2014, 1:42 PM



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does tnet not talk about espn disrespecting clemson everyday


Mar 16, 2014, 1:46 PM

? why would they treat the anthem any different?

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i don't know sgt, i thought so many made the greatest


Mar 16, 2014, 1:51 PM

sacrifice in hopes of a better world.

some people have different ideas of what that might be.

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Re: why not ? it's national pride, this is still the greatest

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Mar 16, 2014, 2:07 PM

We are not the greatest country in the world anymore.

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Re: why not ? it's national pride, this is still the greatest

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Mar 16, 2014, 3:04 PM

> We are not the greatest country in the world anymore.

What an idiot.

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Re: why not ? it's national pride, this is still the greatest

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Mar 16, 2014, 3:23 PM

Nice name call please tell me what exactly makes the US the greatest country in the world right now?

What do we lead the world in?

Literacy?

Math?

Science?

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Re: why not ? it's national pride, this is still the greatest


Mar 16, 2014, 3:25 PM

Wow- you need to go live in Viet Nam for a few years and check out things on the other side.

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There are only two countries now?***


Mar 16, 2014, 3:54 PM



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Re: There are only two countries now?***

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Mar 16, 2014, 4:00 PM

Darn, did you want a list of all the crappy countries in the world?

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Re: why not ? it's national pride, this is still the greatest


Mar 16, 2014, 7:17 PM

Ah so actually owning up to the fact we are no longer the best country in the world I should leave. We USED to be the best country in the world now we are not.

Open your ####### eyes.

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Seriously? It is kind of idiotic to say that the US


Mar 16, 2014, 3:32 PM

isn't the greatest country in the world...

Largest economic and military power in the world. We have a quarter of the entire world's GDP...

Our International dialing code is "+1"

Not to mention we lead the world in all entertainment.

Countries still send their best and brightest to get educated here.

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Re: Seriously? It is kind of idiotic to say that the US


Mar 16, 2014, 3:40 PM

If you don't think this is the greatest country in the world you haven't traveled much.

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Re: Seriously? It is kind of idiotic to say that the US


Mar 16, 2014, 7:29 PM

Please give concrete reasons why we are the best in the world other than herp derp military.

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"Our international dialing code is +1."

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Mar 16, 2014, 3:55 PM

LOL. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for justifications, huh?

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Considering the first bullet point was all that was

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Mar 16, 2014, 3:56 PM

required and I was providing comic relief with the one you've pointed out...congrats you took the bait.

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Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


The economy is a mirage.


Mar 16, 2014, 4:00 PM

Wall Street is fine and we are all encouraged to pretend that means the economy is back on track.


Listing the fact that we waste billions of dollars on 'defense' spending to protect the empire as a positive is laughable.

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Re: The economy is a mirage.

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Mar 16, 2014, 4:01 PM

We'd be much better off wasting those billions on welfare I guess.

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You're the king of the false dichotomy.***


Mar 16, 2014, 4:02 PM



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Re: The economy is a mirage.


Mar 16, 2014, 4:03 PM

You need to spend your time on trying to find ways to get obummer a 3rd term.

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Oh, are we still pretending it matters who occupies

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Mar 16, 2014, 4:08 PM

the White House?

Keep me out of your false left/right paradigm, please.

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Re: The economy is a mirage.


Mar 16, 2014, 7:20 PM

dude seriously throwing out that ####?

#### Obama and #### Bush #### mindless drones like yoursefl who think its a gd competition and you have to be either Dem or Rep.

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Already doing that.***


Mar 16, 2014, 7:24 PM



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Well, what is your top list of countries then and what


Mar 16, 2014, 4:03 PM

metric are you using?

I do agree with you that we need to cut our outrageous defense budget drastically, but that doesn't negate the fact we have by far, the most powerful military in the world.

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No one metric will tell the whole tale.


Mar 16, 2014, 4:13 PM

Switzerland, New Zealand, Brazil and the Scandinavian countries are all more appealing in my opinion. New Zealand is probably your best bet for "America-lite," which I assume most people here would prefer post-indoctrination.

And let's be honest, we're only using military might as a measure of a good country because we happen to actually be #1 in that category. #### the health and well-being of our citizens, we can just destroy other countries until we are the de facto #1!

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Re: Considering the first bullet point was all that was


Mar 16, 2014, 7:30 PM

So Economy is all that matters.... woo hoo.....

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US ranks remarkable low in most quality of life surveys


Mar 16, 2014, 3:57 PM

there are some really great countries out there.

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2nd behind Switzerland...


Mar 16, 2014, 4:01 PM

http://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

according to that one. 6th according to this one: http://www.businessinsider.com/top-countries-on-oecd-better-life-index-2013-5?op=1


Seems arbitrary and statistically weight ranking them as you please.

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Switzerland is amazing

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Mar 16, 2014, 4:10 PM

I was playing a bit of devils advocate but yeah, if you haven't been to Switzerland you should start planning a trip. Just don't be shocked when you find out your American dollars aren't worth much there ;)

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Especially if you break them down by category.

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Mar 16, 2014, 4:06 PM

46th in press freedom, 12th in economic freedom, 7th in the Freedom Index.

We aren't #1 unless you're talking about bombing poor countries for the purposes of economic terrorism or irrational national pride.

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Re: Especially if you break them down by category.

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Mar 16, 2014, 4:39 PM

The "Freedom Index."

Now that's a methodology worth exploring. Lol.

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Re: Seriously? It is kind of idiotic to say that the US

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Mar 16, 2014, 7:18 PM

its from a TV show but sums it up my thoughts pretty nicely

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs

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Our miliary can beat up anybody else's military ...***

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Mar 16, 2014, 3:43 PM



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With our complete lack of privacy


Mar 16, 2014, 3:52 PM

and slowly eroding civil rights I was going to argue with you, but your empty buzzwords were quite convincing.

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Yea, would not want to infringe on somebody's rights to


Mar 16, 2014, 2:16 PM

show disrespect for our country. Why don't those people just stay at home and chant me, me, me?

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To reinforce nationalism....


Mar 16, 2014, 3:51 PM

jingoism and sports are hand-in-glove.

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Re: Is it too much to ask for people to stop disrespecting the

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:20 PM

I find it incredibly annoying we've raised a generation of clods who need to be reminded to remove their hats

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Who came up with the hat rule, and what were their reasons..

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:40 PM

behind the rule?

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RESPECT. the anthem is how long ? everyone talks about


Mar 16, 2014, 1:44 PM

getting "dissed", what about our own NATIONAL ANTHEM ?

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Yeah but why did they decide wearing a hat is disrespectful.

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:47 PM

I'm not just talking bout the national anthem, I'm talking about people who also consider it disrespectable to wear hats indoors.

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still goes back to respect. why/how does it hurt to remove


Mar 16, 2014, 1:50 PM

ones hat inside ( i wear a hat as much/more than anyone i know?)

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Re: still goes back to respect. why/how does it hurt to remove

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:52 PM

So there's no answer to why wearing a hat is actually disrespectful.

Maybe this generation realizes having a rule for no other reason than to just have a rule is dumb.

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That's a child's perspective on "respect."


Mar 16, 2014, 2:31 PM

It's disrespectful to wear a hat during the playing of the national anthem because we have decided it is. If you know that, and decide that you can't be bothered to do something as simple as remove your hat during our national anthem, then you ARE being disrespectful. Just like walking around flipping everyone the middle finger is disrespectful, even thought it is arbitrary.

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So who made "we" the arbiters of 'respect'.... You?***

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Mar 16, 2014, 2:36 PM



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Hardly. ******


Mar 16, 2014, 2:40 PM



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Then who is "We"?***


Mar 16, 2014, 2:52 PM



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Who is "We", and how do you join the "We"?***


Mar 16, 2014, 2:37 PM



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That's a childish follow-up. Stop acting like you don't


Mar 16, 2014, 2:40 PM

understand just so you can pretend to win this "argument."

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I know the rule, but there is no logical explanation behind


Mar 16, 2014, 2:48 PM

I'm discussing, not arguing. I don't care about this "winning" your talking about. Earlier some one provided a link detailing how the national anthem got started playing in sporting events. Since the hat rule is so important to you, then provide the history and reasoning behind it. That's all I'm pointing out about the hat rule. Give a logical explanation. And this "we made it a rule" wasn't what I was asking for. I was asking for the exact opposite. Now stop being childish and back up your hat rule with a logical explanation.

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Fair enough


Mar 16, 2014, 2:58 PM

A) It's not my rule
B) I don't care if you wear a hat during the anthem or not.

My response was to the poster who said that this generation has made some assessment of the value of the "rule" based on it being arbitrary and therefore doesn't observe it. This is #1) absurd and #2) an example of actually being disrespectful.

Anyway, where the rule came from, I have no idea.

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Sorry but that's not like flipping the bird…..

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Mar 16, 2014, 2:41 PM

you do realize some people don't know to take it off, because they rarely are involved or participate in ceremonies and sometimes received a poor education

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I am confident that you can read.


Mar 16, 2014, 2:46 PM

I wrote: "It's disrespectful to wear a hat during the playing of the national anthem because we have decided it is. If you know that, and decide that you can't be bothered to do something as simple as remove your hat during our national anthem, then you ARE being disrespectful."

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How does it hurt a person to see another person to wear..

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:54 PM

a hat indoors?

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Re: How does it hurt a person to see another person to wear..

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Mar 16, 2014, 2:23 PM

You can literally make this argument for every single custom or tradition that exists.

Why say no ma'am or yes ma'am to your eldelry grandparents? Why is not cool to holler profanities at funerals? Why should I be forced to shake someones hand when they put their hand out to shake mine?

The pseudo-intellectual arguments really don't prove anything, and are just as absurd as the folks who get their panties in a wad over petty stuff.

To each their own.

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Those have solid explanations, the hat rule doesn't….


Mar 16, 2014, 2:28 PM

the rules of respect with no explanation behind them are the ones I'm referring to. There is an explanation for those. Those kinds of rules were made by people who are petty enough, to observe something completely benign and turn it into a hissy fit.

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Re: Those have solid explanations, the hat rule doesn't….


Mar 16, 2014, 2:38 PM

I think with the hat argument, you could start with the premise that hats were conceived solely for the purpose of protecting the head from weather and the eyes from sunlight. Seeing as how, by definition, those things don't exist indoors, it makes sense to question the legitamacy of donning a hat inside.

I'm not a fan or arbitrary rules myself, but just because our generation ARBITRARILY decided that wearing hats indoors is stylish, okay, cool whatever, doesn't mean it's a necessarily more practical position. I mean, we're talking about a generation who has their parents call the boss after they have a job interview.

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You mean the generation who were babied by their parents...


Mar 16, 2014, 2:51 PM

so now they have trouble adjusting to adult life, where you're not babied.

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So your generation X?***


Mar 16, 2014, 2:56 PM



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Re: So your generation X?***


Mar 16, 2014, 4:24 PM

No, I'm a millenial. I'm obviously generalizing, but I'm making fun of my own generation, bro. Durrrr.

Of course I'm sure I have some "traits" that of millenials, but didn't have helicopter parents and earned pretty much everything I have, including paying my own way to college and getting no financial support after the age of 17.

I should have been more clear.

Not that Gen X is any better. The "yes men" generation.

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Re: Those have solid explanations, the hat rule doesn't….

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Mar 16, 2014, 3:02 PM

UNITED STATES CODE

(The USC is comprised of 50 separate "titles". Each title deals expressly with a particular area of federal law.)

USC 36 Chapter 10 Index

§ 170. National anthem; Star-Spangled Banner

The composition consisting of the words and music known as The Star-Spangled Banner is designated the national anthem of the United States of America.

§ 171. Conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

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In-doc-tri-nation...***

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:51 PM



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It's originally from Knights removing their facegear

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:53 PM

so that superiors could see their faces. This was modified to removing any headgear that would cover any part of their identity.

The whole right hand act was due to most people being right handed. They'd take their right hand and "clap" it to their helmets as officers/superiors would pass. This was to show that they had no weapon -- kind of like a display of submission.

Bottom line, though: You do it because it is a way to show respect in our culture. Whether or not it has an intended purpose beyond a display of respect, it still is a way to show respect. Why is clapping your hands a show of approval? Why is giving the thumbs up a show of approval? Why do you get up out of your seat when you are meeting someone new or see someone enter into your presence? Why

It's all about what our culture knows as respect. Every culture has different things that they do to show feels.

See Ace Ventura:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYwyBs15ekI

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i agree with the 'unarmed' act of the right hand, but not


Mar 16, 2014, 1:58 PM

about it being an act of submission, just that it shows an act of non-aggression.


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Re: It's originally from Knights removing their facegear

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:59 PM

Correction: It WAS a way to respect in a culture that is changing.

A new generation doesn't see a hat being worn indoors as disrespectful and so the culture has changed. Some people are just unwilling to change with culture.

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and look where our country is going, in regards to other


Mar 16, 2014, 2:01 PM

countries in the world. we are not held in near as high esteem as we were 10-15 years ago, BY FAR.

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That's not about hats... That's about wars of aggression.***

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Mar 16, 2014, 2:05 PM



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i am not saying it's the only reason, just a continuation of


Mar 16, 2014, 2:12 PM

the disdain of authority and rules. starting to look alot like the '60's. (make love not war is a great idea,though).

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People just have a disdain for petty rules….


Mar 16, 2014, 2:15 PM

like not wearing hats indoors. If you get offended by something benign as wearing a hat indoors, you are too high strung.

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^^^exactly^^^^***


Mar 16, 2014, 2:12 PM



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hey, i loves the women, but i still respect the rules. i


Mar 16, 2014, 2:16 PM

never cheated on my wife, god rest her soul.

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Mar 16, 2014, 2:18 PM

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that's above and beyond.29 march would be our 30 yr ann-

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Mar 16, 2014, 2:22 PM

iversary. she passed away 21 december 13. f.u.----

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Mar 16, 2014, 2:34 PM

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right after you remove your message. i'll talk at ya later.***


Mar 16, 2014, 2:39 PM



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so, you saying you lie and instigate to promote an agenda?


Mar 16, 2014, 2:48 PM

why? what do you have or need to hide? scared of rules, or something like that by any chance?

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So you want an argument?***


Mar 16, 2014, 2:53 PM



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Thats because of the failures of the baby boomer generation***

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Mar 16, 2014, 2:11 PM



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wow

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:25 PM

The sports dead season is here.

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Mar 16, 2014, 1:34 PM

still have baseball sort of

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The only one of those that is remotely disrespectful


Mar 16, 2014, 3:26 PM

is NCSU literally changing the word of "brave"

"Hoos" still sounds like "Whose", so it's not disrespectful.

"O" & "Red" are the same word completely, so again, not disrespectful at all.


Not sure why anyone would think it is disrespectful...and who are you disrespecting?

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How about this compromise...

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Mar 16, 2014, 3:46 PM

We all remove our pants as a show of respect during the national anthem. A fresh start we can all be solumn about. Seems people are tired of the hat thing.

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agree with you on this one


Mar 16, 2014, 3:49 PM

I serve in the Army and my older brother and cousin both serve in the Air Force. Nothing grates our nerves more than being at an event where the National Anthem is being played and it is being disrespected (i.e. - changing lyrics, people talking during it, etc.)

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The only school that changes the lyrics I know of is


Mar 16, 2014, 3:50 PM

NCSU, the others just sing along with it and shout one special word to them. It isn't disrespectful.

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"America the Beautiful" would make a much better anthem ...

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Mar 16, 2014, 5:13 PM

"The Star-Spangled Banner" is a hard song to sing, is not that great of a melody, and its lyrics are bellicose ...

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