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Rival Killer [2608]
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Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 1:34 PM
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a double stat? That's a block AND a steal. Should be. Just curious. It makes a blocked shot that much more valuable to retain possession rather than the crowd-pleasing swatting it out of bounds where the team retains possession. I never knew when I played because I hardly ever blocked a shot.
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Legend [6779]
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 1:38 PM
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It seems like if the shooter is charged with a missed shot attempt from the field you should get credit for a rebound instead of a steal. I don’t know what the statistical rule is though.
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MVP [515]
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 7:26 PM
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You are correct. Every missed shot must have a rebound.
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Trainer [46]
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Mar 1, 2022, 2:36 PM
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Ball hits rim and goes over the top of the backboard, it's out of bounds and a turnover. So that would not be a rebound.
Likewise, if there are a bunch of people tipping or batting the ball around off a miss, but no one actually possesses it, then gets hit out of bounds, then the ball goes to the team who did not hit it out of bounds. That wouldn't be a rebound either. It would either be the shooting team retaining possession, or the defending team getting a loose ball turnover.
Not every missed shot is going to have a rebound showing up in the stat line.
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MVP [515]
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Mar 1, 2022, 6:48 PM
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No, every missed shot has to have a rebound. Either individual, team or dead ball. If there’s not a rebound, then it wasn’t a shot.
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All-In [10800]
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 1:43 PM
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Back in the day, a blocked shot was a rebound.
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110%er [6166]
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What if the blocked shot is recovered by the shooter?
Feb 28, 2022, 3:05 PM
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This happens quite often.
If a blocked shot is a rebound, is it a steal when the opponent recovers the ball after his shot is blocked?
I played a lot of basketball, but I never worried too much about arcane stats, so I really can’t say.
Still curious though ...
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Orange Phenom [14572]
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I think it's a block and a rebound but i haven't bothered
Feb 28, 2022, 2:38 PM
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to confirm that.
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All-Time Great [94456]
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From the “Shooter’s Perspective “ . . .
Feb 28, 2022, 2:44 PM
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is it scored as a “Missed Shot” and a “Turnover”??? . . .
Just something to Ponder . . . Sam say, “Hi”.
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TigerNet Icon [152623]
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It’s a “Pack”.***
Feb 28, 2022, 2:45 PM
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Rival Killer [2868]
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Re: It’s a “Pack”.***
Feb 28, 2022, 7:38 PM
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Classic ??????
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 3:50 PM
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It would seem doubtful because a blocked shot is probably going to hit the ground, and if the ball hits the ground, technically it's not a rebound.
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MVP [515]
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 7:21 PM
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Actually, it does not matter whether a missed shot hits the floor or not. All missed shots have to be accounted for with rebounds. Otherwise the stat program will explode.
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 4:44 PM
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It's a block and a rebound. Shooter gets a missed shot recorded. If it is "swatted" out of bounds, it is a dead ball rebound for the offense. If it is still in play, then the player that gets it is credited with a rebound.
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110%er [3666]
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 6:45 PM
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Great explanation.
I've followed Munson's radio call while observing ESPN 's play-by-play tracking, but never grasped why certain blocks led to rebounds but others didn't.
You've provided the "governing principle".
How are you at politics?
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 7:18 PM
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Technically, it's a "team" rebound. A "deadball team" rebound is a special category and does not count in the team stats. A "deadball team" rebound is basically a stoppage of play after a shot is made but before a team secures possession, the exception being a ball ruled out of bounds during the course of play. In that case, a "team" rebound is awarded. Examples of "deadball team" rebounds: A missed shot bounces off the rim and over the backboard; a missed shot bounces off the rim and hits the shot clock; a shot is attempted and missed and, while the ball is still in the air, a player is ruled to have committed a foul; a missed shot fails to hit the rim and, while the ball is still in the air or up for grabs in a scramble on the floor, the 30-second clock goes off. SIDs get ornery when you don't award an individual rebound in the third scenario, but the rule of thumb is that you cannot "assume" a rebound. That is, even though a player clearly WOULD have gotten the rebound had the whistle not blown, you cannot award a rebound if the whistle clearly blew before the ball was secured.
As for a blocked shot and the ensuing rebound, there often is a gray area in terms what constitutes a "shot." But if, in the statistician's mind, it was a clear shot, then there has to be a rebound, NOT a steal. You cannot have a missed shot without a rebound, be it individual, team or "deadball team." Missed shots and rebounds have to balance out. The gray area occurs mostly on shots near the basket, when a defender gets a hand on the ball just as the shooter is going up for the shot. The rule of thumb is, if a ballhandler makes the slightest motion toward the basket with the intent of making a shot, then it is a shot. I am less familiar with the rules of basketball than I am with the statistics manual, but you will see referees apply this same reasoning, perhaps even more so than the stat crew. I have known SIDs to encourage, when in doubt as to whether it was a shot or not, to call it a turnover/steal if a guard is involved and a shot/block when a forward or center is involved, so as to benefit the stats of that particular player. It's not a bad line of logic, but it can be abused.
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This is what sports message boards are good for. Nearly all
Feb 28, 2022, 4:59 PM
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other posts, especially mine, are a waste of time.
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MVP [515]
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Re: Is a blocked shot and retrieval of that blocked shot
Feb 28, 2022, 7:25 PM
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You can get a block and a rebound, OR you can get a steal. You cannot get a block AND a steal on the same play. Sometimes it's questionable as to whether it was a shot or not, and that is statistician's discretion, unless an overbearing SID comes over with a frown on his face. 
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