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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108116]
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Interesting consideration I had not realized before reading the WSJ this AM.
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Apr 3, 2025, 8:07 AM
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The article assumes Trump's approach on trade will remain in place long term, we will see. Assuming it does.....an interesting idea......what happens to competition?
One of the advantages of globalism and "free" trade, is the fact that competition keeps all countries involved in trade motivated to innovate, improve quality, and invent new products. When you close off international competition, and only American companies supply Americans, then the pressure that foreign competition would place on those American companies, is nowhere to be found. What happens, over time, is other countries freely trading innovate, improve quality, while America is stuck behind the times, behind in quality, etc.
For example, just think back to the 1980's. American cars sucked, because they could suck. Enter Japan, and the Japanese cars were of far higher quality. This forced US car companies to improve their game.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-liberation-day-tariffs-protectionism-82d0aa3a "Over time this will mean the gradual erosion of U.S. competitiveness. Tariffs that blunt competition invite monopoly profits while reducing the need to innovate. This is the story of the American steel and car industries in the 1950s and 1960s before global competition exposed their deficiencies."
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It's so stupid it almost seems intentional. Which it is.***
Apr 3, 2025, 8:36 AM
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Its time for some conservative congressmen to peel off
Apr 3, 2025, 8:36 AM
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and call it what it is….stupid. His tariff figures he showed to the world were based on percentage of trade deficit and then most were halved. That’s the dumbest calculation I’ve ever heard of. Congress needs to overturn this executive national emergency crap and take back control.
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Tiger Titan [48524]
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Four Pubs basically did, one of them Rand Paul
Apr 3, 2025, 8:42 AM
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They voted with the Dems to oppose the tariffs, but it's just a symbolic gesture.
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Hopefully some House members do the same soon
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Apr 3, 2025, 8:50 AM
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because they're headed for a bloodbath in 2026.
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Your fear of the Dims taking back control are noted***
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Apr 3, 2025, 10:46 AM
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Re: Interesting consideration I had not realized before reading the WSJ this AM.
Apr 3, 2025, 8:43 AM
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Well that was really kinda obvious along with prices going up. UAW will demand higher wages , that is why they be happy too.
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Re: Interesting consideration I had not realized before reading the WSJ this AM.
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Apr 3, 2025, 8:52 AM
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That’s just the thing. The second the house turns on Trump or flips, or there’s another D in the white house, these tariffs are gone.
If you own a business that builds widgets, and your factory is in Mexico, are you going to spend $50 million and build a new factory in Oklahoma, with associated increased labor costs, and have to price your product so high that you make yourself noncompetitive, why would you do that over just waiting 3 years?
These tariffs aren’t going to spur some wave of investment in the US, all they’re going to do is reduce corporate capital expenditure, increase prices for buyers, slow the economy to a halt while everyone hunkers down. If it spikes inflation back up and we can’t get rate cuts the bottom will drop out. On top of that, the rest of the world is going to realign trading partnerships with one another, setting us back even further. This view of trade and trade deficits as a zero-sum game is an middle school level understanding of economics. Give us free trade. Give us market capitalism. Give us economic liberty to choose. This protectionist, isolationist, ham fisted big government BS is a colossal mistake.
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Ultimate Tiger [38875]
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Words are cheap and pledges are free***
Apr 3, 2025, 9:10 AM
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Apple, and its international supply chain, employs 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE
Apr 3, 2025, 9:30 AM
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.....outside the US. Just 7 million people are unemployed (for now) in the US.
That's just Apple.
Semiconductors, build them here right? They employ $1.9 million worldwide.
Microsoft, has 288,000 non-US employees.
Google? 183,000 non-US employees.
And we're just in tech here. Want me to keep going?
End of the day, $1 trillion can not CREATE ONE SINGLE HUMAN BEING. We currently have 377 million human labor units in the US, of which maybe 200 million are viable for true labor. We also have a declining birth rate and population, unless you count immigrants.
We are leveraged in global trade and labor in other countries because that enables us to have a standard of living, a consumption, and a economic demand AND economy FAR BEYOND our domestic labor capacity. PERIOD. The United States has 200 million-ish labor units, and if the US spends $100 trillion dollars, or companies invest $100 trillion, the US will have.......200 million-ish labor units.
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Paw Master [17122]
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There will be a lot more workers when the welfare cuts come.***
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Apr 3, 2025, 9:32 AM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108116]
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That is a very good point. When the economy tanks, and we're in a depression,
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Apr 3, 2025, 9:48 AM
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the labor force will greatly expand. America will then be great again, as kids work in factories and coal mines, the poverty rate is sky high, and health and life expectancy decline.
We are more than capable of standing on our own two feet, sure. You may not like what sacrifices that would entail.
We have used the world's labor for decades leveraging our nukes and the US dollar, not the other way around. We have benefited from foreign labor, and foreign labor has benefited from our dollars.
Let me show you two related charts:
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Re: That is a very good point. When the economy tanks, and we're in a depression,
Apr 3, 2025, 9:56 AM
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Hence the push for AI and robotics/ automation. Bill Gates opined in less than 10 years Doctors and Teachers will be few and far between as AI replaces them at a fraction of the cost. Now extrapolate that statement across all labor sectors. He also predicted a 2-3 day work week for those still employed.
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Re: That is a very good point. When the economy tanks, and we're in a depression,
Apr 3, 2025, 9:59 AM
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It will come for white collar folks just as it always has for blue collars. There will be whole segments of professions that cease to exist.
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"We are more than capable of standing on our own two feet, sure. You may not
Apr 3, 2025, 12:57 PM
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like what sacrifices that would entail." - Yes! That is what isolationist thinking overlooks. Possibly though, many of these folks like the idea of being "hunkered down" with a strong military and living the lyrics of "Long Haired Country Boy".
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Can't wait until this guy does his first day on a shoe factory floor.
Apr 3, 2025, 12:43 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11332]
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Just wondering out loud - will this cause some folks to switch from NIKE shoes
Apr 3, 2025, 1:06 PM
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to something made in the US of America? (Does such a thing even exist?)
I'm an old, cheap #######. I think if most folks are dumb enough to pay $175 for a shoe, they'll be dumb enough to pay $250. Kind of like how stadiums have figured out people WILL pay $18 for a beer
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Re: Ummmmm.
Apr 3, 2025, 1:28 PM
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Remember Foxconn and their 10B pledge to Wisconsin? You fall for this everytime. 😆
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Clemson Conqueror [11332]
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yes - quality will take a hit. Starting a tariff war with EVERYONE at the same
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Apr 3, 2025, 12:47 PM
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time is insanity. Sure - if you think there is an unfair imbalance with Cambodia (for example) - then deal with that and move on to the next one.
Doing it all at once will isolate us from everyone instantly and certainly lose the advantage of global competition.
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