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B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 8:14 AM
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I know that most folks here want to see us move to the SEC (and I'm not saying that we shouldn't), but I think that the B1G would be a good move as well. Here's why:
- One of our big recruiting advantages is specifically that we aren't in the SEC. The ACC has a great academic reputation and a different feel than the SEC. We value graduation rates and growing these students to be good people. That advantage could remain intact in the Big 10.
- I see a lot of folks talking about how the SEC cares more about football. I would generally agree, but I recently lived in the midwest for a few years, and was very impressed by how seriously they took football. They have a stupid trophy for pretty much every match-up, which, while stupid, is actually a lot of fun. They have nice campuses and stadiums, and a lot of history/tradition as well. Fans tend to be passionate but not rude (OSU excluded, of course).
- It would REALLY rub SC the wrong way if we were 'too good' for the SEC. This may seem petty, but I'm ok with that.
That's it! SEC would be fine, too, but I think that we could see more success in the B1G.
Thanks for listening.
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B1G OR SEC would be a good move. But, any talk of aligning
Jul 8, 2022, 8:25 AM
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ourselves with remnants of the Pac 12, or Big 12, is just stark, raving lunacy. It would be like going shark hunting, and purposely shooting holes in the bottom of your boat. It would make no sense at all.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 8:26 AM
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No thank you. Too cold and too far. Great OOC games but not every year.
And to your point about us having a recruiting advantage because we aren’t in the SEC and the ACC values academics more. That’s just laughable. Recruits choose Clemson because of the culture Dabo has built and how Dabo has instilled a priority in life after football. They aren’t looking around the ACC and say “man the ACC sure loves their academics. I think I’ll choose Clemson” I mean come man.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 8:38 AM
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Enjoy making a half a billion less over the next decade . It’s going to get very cold in Clemson if you don’t make a move . It’s over folks .
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Nice first post...
Jul 8, 2022, 8:42 AM
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:07 AM
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Go away, TROLL!!!! Worry about your own house.
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What did he say that was wrong?
Jul 8, 2022, 9:16 AM
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Its simple math. And I swear, if you want to make yourself sound like a clueless idiot, complain about it being too cold to play in the Big 10. You morans realize football season is in the fall right? Not the dead of winter. Sure, there is a REMOTE chance a late November game could have snow in a FEW of those places. Some of you make it out like we would be playing in the North Pole every game.
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What exactly did he say that was correct?
Jul 8, 2022, 9:32 AM
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We will make 1/2 billion less?
The climate in Clemson is going to change due to realignment?
It's over?
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Hall of Famer [9033]
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Half a billion over the next decade
Jul 8, 2022, 9:43 AM
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Yes, completely conceivable based on projected ACC payout vs SEC.
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That is no more correct than incorrect...
Jul 8, 2022, 9:46 AM
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It's speculation. Well, of the three things he said, one is a speculation that may or may not come to fruition. I'm not sure what the other two statements even mean. And you support the post as if it's correct.
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So you think the SEC and BIG WONT make nearly twice the ACC
Jul 8, 2022, 9:50 AM
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? LOL, ooooook, cant help you there bud, but thats what this ENTIRE realignment mess is about! The rest of the post was mere play on words. Which, again, if that escaped you I dont know what to tell ya. Now, I will admit, I did read some of his other posts and its clear this dude is unhinged. So, take that for what its worth.
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I didn't say that at all...
Jul 8, 2022, 9:56 AM
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Where am I right now? I don't understand what is happening. People respond based on what they are thinking, not what they read. I need to borrow that other guy's time machine and get out of here.
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With schools in B10 and SEC pulling in
Jul 8, 2022, 10:45 AM
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double what ACC schools make based on current contracts, what do you think will happen with future contracts? With almost all of the best football schools in those conferences, the future is actually must bleaker than the present imo.
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Re: What did he say that was wrong?
Jul 8, 2022, 9:36 AM
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Michigan and Northwestern are not in the North Pole? Clueless idiot is just a bully attempt at childish name calling. October and November make half the football season and playing in the snow is not good football.
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You clearly failed, BADLY at geography and climate***
Jul 8, 2022, 9:42 AM
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Need to worry about fixing your
Jul 8, 2022, 9:28 AM
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Scoreboard. It appears its stuck on zero. Actually, maybe the scoreboard is in working order and your team is stuck on zero. Nice way to represent the $ advantage from the SEC.
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CU Guru [1493]
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Re: in the world of super conferences...
Jul 8, 2022, 8:38 AM
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80% of your games would be against teams in your pod... you'd only play may 2 or 3 other conference games that would rotate until playoffs where you would play other top teams in their pods.
Because of this, I say...only way I'd go to BIG is if we have go with at least 3 other ACC teams like Fsu, Miami, and VT GT or UNC...and they would be in our pod...we should also get some inclusion in picking other teams in our pod.
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You couldn't be more wrong,
Jul 8, 2022, 8:31 AM
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one of our biggest recruiting disadvantages is specifically that we aren't in the SEC.
I would have loved to have seen, pre NIL, what Dabo would have been able to do on the recruiting trail with the SEC mantra behind him. It would have been mind blowing!!!
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Re: You couldn't be more wrong,
Jul 8, 2022, 9:08 AM
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$EC just means MORE BS!
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 8:34 AM
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SEC or bust, would be the best games, more away games closer to Clemson, more money.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 8:41 AM
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First you are not getting into the Big Ten. Second, bust means a half a billion less revenue in the coming decade . I assure you “Dabo” era of Clemson will fade over time with that difference.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 8:37 AM
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Remember when you all were making fun of Maryland and Rutgers ? Who’s laughing now? You would sell your soul to be in their position. Reading some of the threads circa 2012 laughing at The Big Ten and Maryland is hilarious now. Had your conference had the same foresight as Jim Delany you wouldn’t be a second class citizen begging South Carolina and Florida to stop their opposition of you joint the SEC.
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The ACC had Maryland long before the B1G...
Jul 8, 2022, 8:40 AM
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we were ahead of our time.
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Re: The ACC had Maryland long before the B1G...
Jul 8, 2022, 8:42 AM
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Lololol
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Re: The ACC had Maryland long before the B1G...
Jul 8, 2022, 8:43 AM
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You guys have a life boat and you are debating if you should go on the red one or the blue one . It’s insane .
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I'm sorry...
Jul 8, 2022, 8:44 AM
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but Maryland is the one who jumped ship, that would make the B1G a lifeboat. The ACC just announced an loose partnership with the PAC 12, in case you haven't heard. The ACC is the big dog, again.
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Re: I'm sorry...
Jul 8, 2022, 8:49 AM
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The big tens tv deal is actually going to be more than the SEC. That’s not me blowing smoke that’s the reporting . You can’t as an university sit back and make 60-70 million less than Northwestern. The math will crush you over a 5-10 year period . Northwestern just Built a 260 million practice facility. When I toured Clemson in August 2021 I was so impressed with its facilities and location truly amazing but if you’re making 60-70’less than your in state rival and to none traditional powerhouses that’s going to show up on the field given a longer time horizon .
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Again...
Jul 8, 2022, 8:51 AM
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you should take a few minutes and google "loose partnership". The headlines will surprise you.
And by the way, the ACC isn't interested in taking Maryland back. They had their chance.
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Re: Again...
Jul 8, 2022, 9:07 AM
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I have , if you think adding a collection of undesirable tv markets is going to save the day then by all
Means Enjoy Manhattan Kansas . The painful truth is this: all the desirable schools from the pac 12 and big 12 are poached . Seattle and portland are not big enough to get into the big ten right now. Every ACC school is paying a lawyer right now to review the grant of rights agreement . Every New York lawfirm specializing in entertainment contracts are employed by an ACC school. It’s the last helicopter out of Saigon .
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TV Markets?
Jul 8, 2022, 9:14 AM
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lol, are you currently posting from a time machine in 2005? Trust me, nobody cares about TV markets anymore, they care about eyeballs and brand.
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Re: TV Markets?
Jul 8, 2022, 9:22 AM
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Yes. What streaming service do you use ? Ppl think cutting the cord ending it but in fact it highlighted the importance of media markets . They are still bundling the same crap to u. It’s just cheaper . And what’s getting cut isn’t live sports .
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I use cable.***
Jul 8, 2022, 9:23 AM
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Re: I use cable.***
Jul 8, 2022, 9:33 AM
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Then what are we talking about here ? The only thing gaining higher sub fees is live sports .
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I'm not sure what we are talking about...
Jul 8, 2022, 9:39 AM
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I'm trying to follow your lead here. You asked me a question, I answered. It is becoming clear that you don't understand what is driving the current round of expansion, or who the big players are. I cannot spend any additional time trying to teach you unless you exhibit a willingness to learn.
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Sick. Dude - you are sick.
Jul 8, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Classic.
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Re: I'm not sure what we are talking about...
Jul 8, 2022, 9:50 AM
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Ok let me explain how cable television and streaming works with live sports . There is “in market rates” and “out of market rates” if you live in Bloomington Indiana the big ten makes roughly $1.25 dollars per sub . If you lived in auburn Alabama and for whatever reason wanted the big ten network the big ten would make a $1 . The reason for this is straightforward- the cable provider/ streaming service can bundle more products with the big ten network attached to it in Bloomington cause you are more likely to want the network there than auburn Alabama the same holds for sec network . Although the sec gets more per sub and actually has proven to get better rates and same rates in neighboring markets that are in immediate locations
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SEE, FM ? ? ? THIS is how you 'splain stuff. SEE ! ? ! ?***
Jul 8, 2022, 9:52 AM
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I was wondering why USC and UCLA moved...
Jul 8, 2022, 10:02 AM
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It's because people in LA are really into the B1G and are more likely to bundle. But Clemson, or FSU/Miami for that matter, won't get into the SEC "Although the sec gets more per sub and actually has proven to get better rates and same rates in neighboring markets that are in immediate locations" because people in South Carolina, and more specifically people who follow Clemson nationally (top 10 in viewership) are less likely to follow the SEC and thus won't bundle.
Got it.
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Re: I was wondering why USC and UCLA moved...
Jul 8, 2022, 11:13 AM
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whole is greater than the sum of its parts But there is a law of diminishing returns as well and that’s where Clemson finds itself no one can deny how successful on the field clemson has been. But can Clemson add enough $ to warrant being added to the SEC? Is adding Clemson worth 80-100M annually in extra revenue ???
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Now you are throwing around "law of diminishing returns"...
Jul 8, 2022, 11:25 AM
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when the B1G just add two schools from the exact same town. By the way, Clemson is 9th in viewership, USC is 16th, and UCLA is 32nd. Please select a reason Clemson won't be a good fit and stick with it.
TIA.
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Re: Now you are throwing around "law of diminishing returns"...
Jul 8, 2022, 11:29 AM
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Second largest tv market in America . You would need 20-40 times the population in South Carolina to compete not only with the ppl there but the economy. That stuff matters make no mistake this is simply programming to sell you stuff . That’s it .
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Reread my post...
Jul 8, 2022, 11:31 AM
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More people watch Clemson than the other two, and it's not even close. You are attempting to troll using dated logic. Sorry.
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Re: Reread my post...
Jul 8, 2022, 11:46 AM
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You are selling a sub and package . You are selling access. And I reviewed your statements about top ten they are all viewership outside it’s conference which Clemson has 0 control of .they don’t have control of notre dame football .
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I would like you to look up the definition of…
Jul 8, 2022, 11:53 AM
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Common denominator. All of these big ratings games we are discussing have one thing in common.
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Re: I would like you to look up the definition of…
Jul 8, 2022, 11:57 AM
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Yes more ppl watch Clemson when they play for a national championship compared to wake forest . But as a whole Clemson is outgunned financially.
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Exactly the point…
Jul 8, 2022, 12:04 PM
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You’re not even trying anymore.
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Re: The ACC had Maryland long before the B1G...
Jul 8, 2022, 9:55 AM
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I HATE the SEC . For gods sake by all means if you were AAU I would saying “why not add Clemson to big ten “.
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She's either a coot or a turtle.***
Jul 8, 2022, 9:01 AM
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:11 AM
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Nope. Not gonna sell our soul like coots do.
Integrity is obviously something with which you and other coots are unfamiliar.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:16 AM
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As the former commish of the SEC (as you claim) then you would know all it takes is a 75% vote of current SEC members to gain membership. Not that details matter to a lying POS like you.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [105932]
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Do Maryland and Rutgers even have sports anymore?
Jul 8, 2022, 9:22 AM
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We have won multiple football national championships since Maryland downgraded to the B1G. So no, I would not sell anything to be in Maryland’s position.
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Forget B1G or SEC...What we have is LIV for college football
Jul 8, 2022, 8:49 AM
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right now with the TV controlling all the money. The schools need to control production of the events and then sell the rights to TV or sell subscriptions. In another 10 years advertisers are going to skip the networks altogether and go straight to the producers of the product.
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Re: No thanks. It would, IMO, be the "last" resort if we
Jul 8, 2022, 8:49 AM
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are unable to go to the SEC. We can play all the yankee teams we want in bowl games.
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Re: No thanks. It would, IMO, be the "last" resort if we
Jul 8, 2022, 8:57 AM
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And your relevance will fade over time .you’re being stubborn and investing in typewriters and the PC is coming to market . The good news is don’t worry the big ten won’t take you. If you went for free they would turn you down. The bad news is how much does Clemson actually add to tv revenue by joining the sec . And folks if you take the 538 data analysis or the NYT you are not getting into the sec as you don’t add enough eyeballs . Sec doesn’t need more teams that are good at football they want more population centers . Oklahoma wouldn’t of gotten in without Texas . Texas A and M is the sole reason the SEC network was created . Don’t believe me as the former commish of the sec . It’s population centers it’s tv markets . Does two sec teams in South Carolina truly make sense strategy wise when you are in a tug of war with the big ten for every nickel or does adding virgina and unc to huge population centers were you don’t have a foothold make more sense ? What about Colorado?
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Re: No thanks. It would, IMO, be the "last" resort if we
Jul 8, 2022, 9:01 AM
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Mattandy146 wrote: "Don’t believe me as the former commish of the sec . "
You're the fomer commish of the SEC?? LOLOLOLOL what a #######.
MODS, time to take the trash out.
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Re: No thanks. It would, IMO, be the "last" resort if we
Jul 8, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Article from July 31. 2021 on ESPN
. Com. Talking about the sec networks success . The network got the green light based on the Houston / greater Texas markets . Sec felt they could get clearance to Dallas Austin San Ant and other large cities with A and M. They were proven right . Texas A and M addition to the SEC green Light The nextwork with espns corporate overlords
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Re: You want eyeballs...
Jul 8, 2022, 9:20 AM
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That’s cause Clemson has played in the most high profile NON CONFERENCE games . Unless Alabama is willing to grant a home and home every year this article does not apply. You negotiate based on your home games which you control the tv rights to.
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Check out the ratings for the ACC Championship game...
Jul 8, 2022, 9:26 AM
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in 2020.
You may want to sit down for this...
"On Saturday, ABC’s broadcast of the ACC Championship (Clemson vs. Notre Dame) drew 9.92 million viewers, topping Fox’s earlier coverage of the Big Ten title game (Ohio State-Northwestern, 8.03 million) and CBS’ primetime SEC Championship broadcast (Alabama-Florida, 8.92 million)." - HWR
Now what?
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Re: Check out the ratings for the ACC Championship game...
Jul 8, 2022, 9:34 AM
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I think the former SEC commish must be stumped by actual facts. I'm detecting a stanky turtle showing its true colors, btw.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:05 AM
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How much $$$ do we get in B1G vs $EC?
I ask because apparently it is ALL about the $$$ these days.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:13 AM
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Estimates is USC is getting 60 to 70 more to move to the big ten . Acc contract and the acc network are better than the pac 12s . My research’s says 10 million better . So let’s take the ACC 990 IRS document . I reviewed that. I stand by the 10-15 estimate per school . Apply that to the big ten current deal and Clemson is making less about 18-20 million . Now apply to the current deal being reported ? It’s 60-75 million less . That’s what’s causing all of this . How can a school as successful on the field as Clemson just sit back and make that much less ? It can’t . Add in the contract doesn’t end until 2036 the big ten will re-up twice since the acc signed the deal .
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:27 AM
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The average distance of away games would be ridiculous. I don’t think our recruiting is helped by not being in the sec. We recruit well in spite of not being in the sec. I don’t think kids from the south would be interested in the b1g. Clemson’s academic standard is not a conference standard and would not be effected. Most of the schools I’d want us to schedule are in the sec.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:32 AM
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Clemsons bottom line income statement doesn’t have a “ tailgating “ line. That will hold little to no decision making relevance . They won’t care that fans can’t drive to road games . They will publicly pander but won’t actually care. Yes traveling would be more expensive but like a half a billion more expensive? No . Your only lifeboat to remain a dominate force in college athletics is the SEC . Although I have a soft spot for Clemson I don’t think it benefits the SEC to add you.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:35 AM
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Well, get over yourself because we are going to the SEC, Mr. "Commish".
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:49 AM
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It benefits the SEC to keep a monopoly of southeastern college football. Also, forget the SC tv market, and think national ratings. Clemson will bring a boost to the Big or SEC. And ESPN and Fox know this. Clemson just needs to strike while the iron is hot.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:57 AM
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You're using older agendas to try and explain current events. It doesn't calculate. TV markets don't matter anymore, no more than radio markets matter to XM.
The B1G will add Oregon, Washington and likely Stanford. At that point the hand of ND will be forced and they'll have to join the B1G. The SEC absolutely cannot afford to to allow even the tiniest of risks to allow Clemson and UNC to fall to the B1G in the race to 24. Clemson, FSU and UNC (and likely Oklahoma State) will end up in the SEC.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:59 AM
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You have to add more $ then you cost . So far the big ten doesn’t believe Oregon adds more $ than it costs that could change but the big ten said it’s waiting in notre dame .
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 11:24 AM
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This is why teams join in 2s or 3s. The addition of multiple teams moves the needle of these contracts in a way that increase them beyond the individual payout of each team. Oregon/Washington/Stanford does that. Clemson/FSU/UNCorMiamiorUVA does that. It's not about markets anymore. It's about the teams that can generate viewership and put eyes on ads.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Not to mention the future massive contract that is forth coming for an expanded playoffs and the SEC and B1G want as many teams as possible to make that field to get as many pieces of that pie. It's now a race.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:34 AM
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We're not an AAU school. The only school the B1G will take that's not AAU is ND.
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Re: B1G would be a good move
Jul 8, 2022, 9:42 AM
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Nebraska got booted from the AAU in 2011 cause it lost its medical research grant . Jim Delany swears Nebraska would of gotten in without it but I seriously doubt it. It was a black eye to the college presidents who are the only ones who actually vote . Clemson is a great academic school but doesn’t have the aau . I really like Clemson I just fundamentally think you all are being very naive .
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I also prefer Big 10 over SEC.
Jul 8, 2022, 12:07 PM
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Either seems to be much better than staying in the ACC though.
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Re: I also prefer Big 10 over SEC.
Jul 8, 2022, 12:11 PM
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For the record I am not a fan of all of this . It cheapens the great sport . But I didn’t create the rules
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