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Some guy keeps posting on some site
Jul 14, 2019, 6:25 PM
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that Clemson does not play enough top 25 teams to have beaten as many as claimed. Is there somewhere to get a list?
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Re: Some guy keeps posting on some site
Jul 14, 2019, 6:36 PM
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I always wondr about ranings. Preseason, at game time, end of year. Many possible data points
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^ This ^
Jul 14, 2019, 6:41 PM
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Too many variables to some of those statistics .
I know we've beaten a trunkload of top 25 teams under Dabo Swinney... that's my accurate assessment .
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Re: Some guy keeps posting on some site
Jul 15, 2019, 11:15 AM
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I think the official way of doing it is to go off of the rankings at the time the game is played. Sometimes you end up not getting credit for beating a top 25 team like A&M from last year, but sometimes you get credit for beating a team like BC last year that ends the season unranked, so it typically evens itself out.
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It's up to him to prove the point wrong
Jul 14, 2019, 6:54 PM
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not for you to prove it right.
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Top 25 when we played them or Top 25 at the end of the
Jul 14, 2019, 6:58 PM
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season ?
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That's a GREAT question, Rocky. The problem with Top 25
Jul 14, 2019, 7:02 PM
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when we played them is that after we crush them in that game, their dreams are crushed and they might lose confidence & momentum. So then everyone says "They were overrated".
The problem with Top 25 at the end of the season - we crush a team & they drop like a stone & it takes them forever - IF ever - to claw back into the Top 25.
The only exception to this is if ANY of the teams are in the secespn - then ALL teams are in the Top 25 all the time because they are clearly just better. (Insert eye rolling thingy here)
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Re: That's a GREAT question, Rocky. The problem with Top 25
Jul 15, 2019, 11:16 AM
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They go by where a team was ranked at the time the game was played when determining how many top 25 teams you played.
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Re: Some guy keeps posting on some site - The Facts.
Jul 14, 2019, 7:03 PM
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2016 (24) Auburn (21) Louisville (8) Florida State (16) Virginia Tech (6) Ohio State (2) Alabama
2017 (10) Auburn (24) Virginia Tech (23) N.C. State (13) Miami (1) Alabama (L)
2018 (16) Texas A&M (15) Syracuse (5) Notre Dame (2) Alabama
Clemson 14-1
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Is the ranking you show here at the time we played them or
Jul 14, 2019, 7:09 PM
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where they finished the season ?
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Apparently where they finished
Jul 14, 2019, 7:31 PM
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cause Alabama was #1 in the 2016 and 2018 seasons when we played them and #4 in 2017.
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If you look @ end of season, there are fewer than during the
Jul 14, 2019, 7:11 PM
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season, yes? I think end of season, we had played 4? But weren't a couple other teams ranked until we kicked their .....
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They were too 25 when Clemson beat the cheap out of them and
Jul 14, 2019, 7:13 PM
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That is all the matters. Several were SEC teams too!
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Re: Some guy keeps posting on some site
Jul 14, 2019, 7:34 PM
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Their ranking when beaten is what is counted, not their end of season ranking. Due to that, it's very hard to go back and reconstruct it.
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Beating two “Top 4” teams is all that matters ...
Jul 15, 2019, 11:16 AM
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Right ?
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nobody's ever beaten a 12-0 team and a 14-0 team
Jul 15, 2019, 11:25 AM
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in the same season, much less inside a two-week span.
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Re: Some guy keeps posting on some site
Jul 15, 2019, 11:22 AM
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For any South Carolina fans making this claim, just point out that last year we played 4 ranked teams(at the time the game was played) and they played 5. Of their 5 games...one of them was against us, and another one was against A&M who we played also, but isn't counted among our top 25 teams because A&M wasn't ranked at the time we played them.
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Re: Some guy keeps posting on some site
Jul 15, 2019, 11:26 AM
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Now granted, 2 of our 4 games against ranked teams came in the playoffs, but the debate is stupid to me anyway considering we proved our ranking once we got to that point. I could understand the debate about our schedule if we had a habit of getting destroyed once we play good teams OOC. Like if we made the playoffs each of the last 4 years as we have, but we lost in the first round each year then I could see people making the argument that we were taking advantage of an easy schedule to make the playoffs each year, and didn't deserve it.
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Re: Some guy keeps posting on some site
Jul 15, 2019, 11:30 AM
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Not only is that not the case, but each year during this run except for the year we played ND in the regular season, we've played against an SEC team in the regular season in addition to South Carolina. These haven't been lowly SEC teams either, this has been Auburn and A&M.
During this run we have 2 wins over the top independent team in ND, 2 wins over Alabama, 2 wins over the top Big 12 team in Oklahoma with neither game being close, and 2 wins over the top Big 10 team in Ohio State with the most recent not even being close.
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