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Why don't commentators and analysts learn the NCAA rules .....
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Jan 10, 2025, 9:56 AM
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particularly about pass interference. If I've heard it once, I've heard it a thousand times that "it was pass interference because the defender did not turn and find the ball". Hey morons ..... they don't have to. Face guarding has long been declared legal as long as you don't molest the receiver while doing it. Last night was a good example where, McElroy said that the defender was interfering at the goal line because. Of course there were two problems ....... first he did turn as the ball was arriving (but that should no have made any difference if he hadn't) and two he did not interfere with the receiver.
Basically, these guys just parrot what they have heard other commentatots say and never bother to actually look up and read the rules.
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Re: Why don't commentators and analysts learn the NCAA rules .....
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:02 AM
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I think because, to your point contact was made.
Generally refs will let incidental or minor contact go if the defender is looking for the ball. But if contact is made AND they arent looking the flags come out much quicker
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Re: Why don't commentators and analysts learn the NCAA rules .....
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:10 AM
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Look at the play again. The contact was incidental. If it is incidental when he is looking for the ball or not looking for the ball, it should not make any difference.
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Clemson Icon [27845]
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Contact was actually initiated by the TE... He slapped the DB's vertical arm.***
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:22 AM
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Face guarding is legal...
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:04 AM
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but it has effectively become a "social norm" for officials to throw the flag when a defender doesn't turn to find the ball, especially if contact is made. It's entirely subjective.
For the record, I though it was a bad call.
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Re: Face guarding is legal...
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:18 AM
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You are right about the way it is called and that is my point. The commentator said "you can't make contact with the receiver and NOT turn around and look for the ball". That implies you can make contact with the receiver if you "are turning around to look for the ball". Wrong. If you interfere with the receiver, it does not matter.
For clarification, there could be a case made that by turning around, the defender is making a play for the ball but just merely the fact that the defender is turning around does not absolve him from interference.
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It's all about the incidental contact.
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:20 AM
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If the defender turns and find the ball, they'll let the incidental contact slide (as they should). If the defender doesn't turn to find the ball, they throw the flag even if the contact is incidental which, IMO, is what happened last night.
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Orange Immortal [60162]
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But when the Penn State defender grabbed the collar of the ND
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Jan 10, 2025, 11:06 AM
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WR and held him fir 2 or 3 strides....nobody saw that....
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Orange Phenom [14633]
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If a player makes contact with the receiver without
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:09 AM
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ever turning to look for the ball, it's going to be a flag nearly 100% of the time. You and I did not see the same thing watching that play apparently.
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Game Changer [1849]
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Re: Why don't commentators and analysts learn the NCAA rules .....
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:19 AM
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While I don't know the specific rule, I believe it to be that the defender has the same right to the ball as the receiver. I think in these cases, if you're looking back, the defender can make the claim to the ball. If he's not even looking for it, the call will most likely go the other way. Still a judgement call. All we can hope for is that they are consistent. Consistent as to what they're going to call and who they're calling it on.
That's to me is why the 50/50 passes have become a standard. It favors the offense. You're either gonna get the ball or the call.
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Re: Why don't commentators and analysts learn the NCAA rules .....
Jan 10, 2025, 3:20 PM
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Defensive PI IMO is the most abused penalty in the convoluted book of rules. Again, IMO it is used to control the momentum factor in a game.
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Re: Why don't commentators and analysts learn the NCAA rules .....
Jan 10, 2025, 6:51 PM
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Of course, if holding was called on the line, we would still be playing last years games.
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Orange Phenom [14932]
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When the ball is in the air each player has equal right to attempt to catch it
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:19 AM
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If incidental contact is made during that attempt then it’s just football. If the defender is not looking for that ball, and therefore not attempting to catch it, then the contact is viewed as impeding the receiver and not a legitimate attempt to catch the ball. That’s why looking back for the ball is important for a defender. The announcers often don’t do a good job of articulating that.
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Re: When the ball is in the air each player has equal right to attempt to catch it
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:35 AM
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Agreed, I would also argue that the ball was uncatchable for the receiver since it was intercepted in front of the receiver and the DB making the contact
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Exactly.***
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:49 AM
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Re: Why don't commentators and analysts learn the NCAA rules .....
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:22 AM
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Aside from the commentators just trying to fill the air with their own sound, the rules are rarely enforced the same from game to game, conference to conference or even how the refs seems to feel like a particular play should be called. You hear statements like "SEC interference" or "letting them play tonight". The calls that seem to be most open to interpretation are holding, DPI, roughing the passer (punter) or the worst of them all targeting.
With targeting, I never try to look at the replay and see if I thought it was targeting, because there in no consistency in the calls.
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I loved (not) the call a few weeks back when the announcer
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:23 AM
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was yelling about an illegal formation because a team had too many players on the line of scrimmage because only the QB was off the line.
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Sorry but that was pass interference after the "incidental" contact and no look
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:24 AM
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back for the ball. We can be mad about it, but even your own explanation makes it pass interference.
McElroy also said because of the contact and not looking for the ball. Contact is contact 100%. Gotta teach dbs to look for the ball.
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Contact was when the TE slapped the DB's vertical arm. Offensive PI...?***
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:51 AM
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You may want to look again.
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Jan 10, 2025, 11:02 AM
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As I said we can be mad, but doesn't change what super slow mo shows in each googled, youtube video. ND #8 "incidental" contact happens before what I'm assuming you're on about the receiver who's trying to catch the ball. #8 has to look for the ball. I'm glad ND beat the hack James Franklin, but that call was the right call.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ArhvNWRbf9Q?si=0ZAbMWIXU3-vABxs
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Re: You may want to look again.
Jan 10, 2025, 3:01 PM
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Show me in the rules where it says "#8 has to look for the ball".
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National Champion [7875]
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You've already been shown "Why" it's important the DB looks back for the ball.
Jan 10, 2025, 4:32 PM
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If he doesn't want to be called for pass interference it would help his case that he was Playing the Ball, not purposely impeding/interfering with the Offensive player. Judgement Call by the ref has a better chance of staying his yellow flag for Pass Interference even with the incidental contact. Happens all the time.
Video I posted clearly shows #8 never looked back for the ball before he made contact with #44 as you previously said he did. This is why I say it was the Correct Call for Pass Interference.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ArhvNWRbf9Q?si=6R90MlKt6XbnyAFs
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Re: You've already been shown "Why" it's important the DB looks back for the ball.
Jan 10, 2025, 6:05 PM
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To clarify, I don't think I said he did not commit pass interference. The contact was light and it was a judgement call. But it should not matter whether he turned to find the ball of not.
Incidentally, I pretty much agree with you, as they are less likely to call it a PI if he had turned a little sooner ..... but he did turn about the time the ball arrived.
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:42 AM
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Knowing the rules doesn’t help keep them employed.
Parroting the corporate agenda is what keeps them employed.
Don’t believe it????
Name ONE commentator at ESECPN that does not parrot the corporate agenda.
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:48 AM
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You are correct. Announcers parrot each other and many times do not know the rules. Also, they repeat what other taking heads say and make up words that never existed before.....like "Physicality." Where is that in the dictionary. And "he put his foot in the ground." Duh......have you ever seen a player NOT put his foot in the ground. They all mock each other.
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Re: Why don't commentators and analysts learn the NCAA rules .....
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Jan 10, 2025, 11:27 AM
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I think they went straight to the rules "expert" they have in waiting and he immediately said it was interference so Mc was going off of that as I recall.
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Does anybody know what PI is anymore?
Jan 10, 2025, 11:47 AM
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Refs clearly don't. DBs and receivers have no clue. Why would we expect announcers to know? Talking heads just base their interpretation on how refs call and enforce the rule, not on how the rule is actually written and supposed to be enforced.
Both offensive receivers and defenders have equal right to attempt to catch or make a play on the ball as long as they both have an equal position to make the catch. However, neither player can "go through" another player who "has position" to make the catch, or make interfering contact prior to the ball arriving if a catchable pass is in the area if he is not attempting to make a legitimate play to catch or deflect the ball.
Yet, time and time again, I'd say on at least 85% of all pass plays, there is illegal contact by rule, prior to the catch being made. Announcers almost always say crap like "that's just good, physical pass defense", or just ignore it altogether.
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Agreed. Lazy officiating makes those calls.
Jan 10, 2025, 1:06 PM
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Uninformed commentators reinforce it.
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