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If a person enters our country illegally, then takes up residence here,
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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If a person enters our country illegally, then takes up residence here,
Apr 16, 2025, 10:10 AM
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works, pays taxes, starts a family, and obeys our laws, does that exempt them from deportation?
It's a simple yes/no question.
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Re: If a person enters our country illegally, then takes up residence here,
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Apr 16, 2025, 10:11 AM
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No.
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Tiger Titan [48954]
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no. but they are still entitled to
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5th Amendment Due Process which includes, at a minimum, Notice and a Hearing.
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Paw Warrior [4945]
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Re: no. but they are still entitled to
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Apr 16, 2025, 10:28 AM
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Didn’t the guy already get that? Honestly I don’t know the answer to the question but some are saying he did get due process.
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Tiger Titan [48954]
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no. he did not. he was not afforded notice and a hearing prior to being
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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Re: no. he did not. he was not afforded notice and a hearing prior to being
Apr 16, 2025, 10:34 AM
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Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran national, entered the US illegally sometime around 2011, but an immigration judge in 2019, after reviewing evidence, withheld his removal. That meant he could not be deported to El Salvador but could be deported to another country. A gang in his native country, the immigration judge found, had been “targeting him and threatening him with death because of his family’s pupusa business.” https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/14/politics/what-to-know-about-the-kilmar-armando-abrego-garcia-case/index.html
It has been legally established that he entered the U.S. illegally, and is eligible for deportation.
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Paw Warrior [4945]
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Re: no. he did not. he was not afforded notice and a hearing prior to being
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Apr 16, 2025, 10:36 AM
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Yep that’s what I was referring to.
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Tiger Titan [48954]
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yeah, that is not "Due Process" prior to being deported and
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Apr 16, 2025, 10:40 AM
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deprived of his liberty.
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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I don't claim to be a legal scholar, nor intellectually superior to anyone,
Apr 16, 2025, 11:01 AM
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but I don't agree that once it has been legally established that a person entered the country illegally, they are deserving of any further process before being deported. And if that means I'm in opposition to the constitution, so be it, but I don't think that's was ever the intent. I don't think doing so deprives anybody of their liberty.
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Re: I don't claim to be a legal scholar, nor intellectually superior to anyone,
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Apr 16, 2025, 11:31 AM
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14th amendment Sir.
"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; "
5th Amendment
"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."
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The fact you dont care if your opinion is in opposition of the Constitition
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Apr 16, 2025, 1:56 PM
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Is the problem.
There is a way to change the constitution if you disagree with them. You don’t get to just ignore the constitution if you don’t like it.
If you don’t care that the constitution prevents him from being kidnapped and kicked out of the country, why should anyone care if the Democrats just decide to kidnap and kick republicans out of the country?
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None of us are obligated in any way to agree with the constitution (we just
Apr 16, 2025, 10:27 PM
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have to obey and respect it), so I don't know why that's a problem, but I don't agree that the founders intended for the constitution to be used to prevent us from deporting people who are here illegally, much less those who are here illegally AND who courts have already ruled could be deported. For the record, he should not have been sent back to El Salvador, as the court had forbidden that. But while that is pertinent to this particular case, it's not pertinent to my question; instead it's an attempt to claim such a question is somehow evidence of my worship of Trump. Those who do so are totally clueless.
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Re: None of us are obligated in any way to agree with the constitution (we just
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The same people who had absolutely no opinion on the previous POTUS ushering in 20 million illegals (in violation of every immigration law in existence) are suddenly constitutional scholars when it comes time to remove a tiny fraction of them. Whether from a constitutional, societal, security or any other perspective which POTUS action is more destructive to the American way of life? Only left wing trash will assert it's the one who is deporting illegal gang members back to wherever they came from, not the one who allowed millions in and set them up for life with govt benefits up to and including SS numbers. I sincerely hope the left continues to tilt at this windmill for the next twenty years as their true colors are abhorrent to anyone with a brain that doesn't despise this country, thus rendering themselves unelectable at the national level.
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Re: But you're not agreeing and accepting that the constitution provides the
Apr 17, 2025, 10:04 AM
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So the U.S. constitution applies to non U.S. citizens who entered America illegally?
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Yes
Apr 17, 2025, 10:40 AM
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It’s very clear that the constitution fornthings like due process and equal treatment apply to everyone physically inside the US.
Do you truly not believe in equality?
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The problem is this: I have a different opinion of the proper interpretation
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and application of the constitution than you, and you can't accept that.
A judge has already ruled the dude is here illegally and can be deported. I think that should fulfill the due process requirement. You and every judge and legal scholar in the country can think otherwise, and I don't care. I don't think those who authored and signed the constitution ever intended for it to be used by illegal aliens to avoid or postpone being deported.
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I can accept that you have an incorrect interpretation of the Constitution
Apr 18, 2025, 11:44 AM
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but I can't accept you not being a decent human being who celebrates another person's constitutional rights being violated.
That's the difference. In this country, we've always had different political opinions. But we no longer have shared values.
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They weren't. It had already been adjudicated.***
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Tiger Titan [48507]
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He was more than deported
Apr 18, 2025, 11:56 AM
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He was sent to a prison camp where they torture people and his crime was a MISDEMEANOR.
THIS is the problem. Not the deportation. You're literally defending sending people to a torture facility without any due process, and the Idiot in Chief is now talking about sending American citizens there.
Quit being a useful fool for this admin. Again, you're above this.
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New source for your NGO check...?***
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Sorry, guess us hoi polloi with no J.D. should defer to our superiors.
Apr 16, 2025, 11:12 AM
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And it's amazing how someone so intelligent can't grasp the possibility of someone taking a position in opposition the the anti-Trump crowd without worshipping or even supporting Trump. Intelligent, for sure, but some consumed with hate and political partisanship they can't think straight.
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Re: Sorry, guess us hoi polloi with no J.D. should defer to our superiors.
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You dislike LCheney because she finally stood up to Trump. Enough said.
You tried. 😆
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Re: no. he did not. he was not afforded notice and a hearing prior to being
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People focus on that "but could be deported to another country" part. For that to happen, the immigration court has to issue a final deportation order to that third country, which it did not do. If Trump's DOJ wanted to deport him, they would have gone back to the court and petitioned to deport him to a third country. Instead, Trump's DHS issued him a work permit and he's been working legally ever since.
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Then I disagree with the law and the way the system works in that regard.
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Laws must be obeyed and legal processes observed, and in no way am I suggesting otherwise.
I do disagree with the way it works in this situation, and think it should be re-written to prevent this scenario form occurring.
We already knew he was here illegally, and it has been determined by a court of law. That has never been a question, and has been legally established . . . just not in the usual, perhaps proper court. Not at an official immigration hearing. I don't think someone here illegally is due any further process. We already know all we need to know to deport him. As is, people willfully and unapologetically broke our laws and entered illegally, knowing it would be extremely difficult to be deported. I feel it's an abuse of our system that was never intended or anticipated by the authors of the constitution.
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If it's as simple as that, no
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But they should be given due process and not be sent to death camps.
If said individual is working on a path to citizenship, I would entertain letting them complete that.
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So no consequence for illegal entry.***
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Potentially
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Apr 16, 2025, 11:16 AM
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Which often occurs with infractions of laws. Our system often balances the best overall good with future deterrence, and what is ultimately best for both the individual in question and the public at large.
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Thanks for an honest answer.
Apr 16, 2025, 11:24 AM
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Does that mean you would do not think that illegal entry alone should be enough for deportation? I mean that's a fair position, even if I don't agree with it.
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I truly think it's a case by case thing
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As with most every infringement of law, there are considerations in place for what truly constitutes justice.
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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Like what, in the case of people we know entered illegally?***
Apr 16, 2025, 11:48 AM
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Top TigerNet [31525]
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Example
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Someone enters the country illegally, tgets a job, keeps their nose clean, has a family, and is a law abiding individual. They're adding ot the productivity of our society. I can easily see the argument that removing them does more harm overall than allowing them to stay and putting them on the path to citizenship.
Of course, that owuld mean they still have work to do, and it would be a sort of 'probation' type thing wherein they couldn't get into trouble, etc.
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I get that.
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In the big picture, for that case, the good may outweigh the bad. Unfortunately, it was that argument, in large part, that basically led to the open border policy that we have experienced, and the problems that created. And whether you agree or disagree with that, it was an issue which clearly helped get Trump elected, as most voters abreed it was a big problem.
I think the problem with it is when we do that, and essentially reward illegal immigration on a case-by-case basis, it only encourages more, irrespective of other factors. When people know they can come here, enter freely, and live here from now on with a good chance to stay. I will never concede that's an acceptable practice, even if it means denying entry with increased border security, or deporting illegals.
I think border security and respect for immigration laws, in the big picture, outweighs the benefit of giving people who enter illegaly a chance to stay if they behave and contribute.
I also agree 100% that we need system reform that makes the immigration process easier while still maintaining a high level of security. That's what we should be aiming for.
Thanks for a civil, reasonable discussion.
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Assumptions that they're ALL JUST PEACE LOVING CONTRIBUTORS TO SOCIETY
Apr 16, 2025, 7:00 PM
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You don't know what YOU DON'T KNOW
...what we DO KNOW is ILLEGAL ENTRY was the very 1st act of those individuals who are NOT CITIZENS.
* If you want to make any assumption it's fair to assume they have a complete disregard for our rules of law if it conflicts with their intentions.
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We don’t have time for case by case. The Democrats need these illegals for votes. Why else would they be making a big, creepy, embarrassing, fuss over some random chit head terrorist?
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Then I disagree with the way they are written, but I would certainly obey
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them.
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Re: So no consequence for illegal entry.***
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Illegal entry is a civil offense unless that person has previously been issued a final deportation order. This guy got picked up waiting for construction work with a bunch of others. Asked for asylum. The judge clearly would have granted asylum, but was not allowed because he had been in the country too long. So he gave him the closest status to asylum that he could.
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Is Trump exempt from our laws and Supreme Court orders?
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A simple yes or no question.
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Re: Is Trump exempt from our laws and Supreme Court orders?
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Re: Is Trump exempt from our laws and Supreme Court orders?
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I see a huge turnout and good news for the Dems in the midterms.
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Clemson Icon [24717]
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Of course the guy can be deported if the law and the courts are followed
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and obeyed, which of course is obvious to everyone with any knowledge of our Constitution, our laws, our Supreme Court.
Stop playing ignorant(maybe you aren't playing) and get up off your knees before Trump.
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None of my opinions have anything to do with Trump,
Apr 16, 2025, 11:03 AM
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you ficking idiot.
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You aren't pretending to be ignorant, as demonstrated in this thread multiple
Apr 16, 2025, 11:07 AM
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times.
Unfortunately, you aren't alone. Trump does this to a lot of people.
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Thank you for saying I'm not ignorant, but why do you think my
Apr 16, 2025, 11:18 AM
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affinity for Trump is my motivation, or even an influence? I have openly opposed and been highly critical of Trump many times on this forum. You certainly aren't ignorant either, so how can you possibly believe that anyone who ever disagrees with the Trump-haters on a particular issue must be "on their knees to Trump"? If we are this blindly partisan, we really are lost as a nation.
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You're the one that's blindly partisan
Apr 16, 2025, 6:28 PM
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Even the Trump administration has admitted they made a mistake in deporting this guy.
Why can't you admit Trump should fix his mistake?
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Because that has ZERO to do with my question.
Apr 16, 2025, 9:45 PM
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I don't have admit anything about Trump, and my position on this issue is in no way based on him or anything he has said or done.
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It's a shame you don't realize you're arguing like how children argue
Apr 17, 2025, 7:25 AM
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"If I just refuse to acknowledge the bigger picture, it's not relevant."
The actual issue here is that Trump wrongly deported a person. The fact you can't admit that and urge him to fix his mistake is troublesome.
But I have a feeling you've never been able to admit when you're wrong in life.
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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I've admitted I was wrong, right here on this forum, more than once.
Apr 17, 2025, 8:49 AM
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I've been wrong a lot. So no, the fact that somebody disagrees with you does not mean they can't admit they are wrong.
The issue for you is Trump, not for me. Sometimes I agree with Trump, sometimes I don't, and I always speak up either way. Some folks just can't get their heads around that. If my position happens to align with Trump, then I'm a MAGA nazi Trump worshiper. If disagree with Trump, I am a libt ard.
Recent events have me thinking about the underlying issue and principle, which is much bigger than Trump, and that's what my question is about. The picture I'm looking at is bigger than Trump.
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The issue for me is that we violated the laws of our nation
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And kidnapped and sent a man to a foreign prison
If you want to have a bigger discussion about immigration, you can have it but you still need to be a decent person a demand we get this man back to the US.
But your overall argument is still idiotic. You’re trying to punish the people when your efforts would be better off punishing the employers. If no one was hiring these immigrants, none of the immigrants would come to this country.
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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I have addressed the fact that the dude from El Salvador should not have
Apr 17, 2025, 10:11 AM
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been sent back to El Salvador because it violated a court order. Trump and his crew were definitely wrong, in my opinion.
And no, I don't have to demand sh it. You are welcome to your opinion, and I'm fine with disagreement, but you have to be as well, and clearly you can't tolerate that. When you start judging and making demands (implying I'm not a decent person if I don't agree with you? I'm idiotic? Really?) you cross a line. You are no longer interested in an open minded civil discussion.
But your overall argument is still idiotic. You’re trying to punish the people when your efforts would be better off punishing the employers. If no one was hiring these immigrants, none of the immigrants would come to this country.
It doesn't have to be, and shouldn't be one or the other. I agree 100% that nobody should hire illegal aliens. Amen! Penalize those people by all means, and pass legislation to put a stop to it! Still, people who enter illegally do not get a pass by any means, are not victims of unjust laws, and have no right to be here.
Again, look at the underlying principle(s), What rights do illegal aliens have? Once it has been legally determined they are here illegally, do they get to stay here while they wait and or go through years of hearings and appeals? Is a person entitled to all of that the instant they set one foot onto U.S. soil? All of this is critical, and while Trump has brought the issues to our attention, the issues are much bigger than him, and can be discussed independent of Trump, as whatever we decide will apply long after he is gone. Let those principles determine what we do about immigration; don't let Trump determine our principles.
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If you dont demand people do the right thing
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When you know it’s the right thing to do, you are a you are a terrible person.
It has nothing to do with with my opinion. It’s objectively the right thing to do. It’s no different than if you chose to walk past a woman being raped.
While it may not be “your responsibility” there is no doubt you’re a terrible person if you willingly allow someone to be raped and abused.
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I will do that when you do the right thing and demand that all illegal
Apr 17, 2025, 11:07 AM
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Re: If a person enters our country illegally, then takes up residence here,
Apr 16, 2025, 10:28 AM
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The answer is obviously no. Knowing that, we should throw them in the most dangerous prison in El Salvador. If they have any children I say we sell their organs.
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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I love how people can't answer a simple question, which we all should
Apr 16, 2025, 10:53 AM
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be able to answer with a yes or no without framing it in context to Trump.
I fear our ability to think objectively beyond that context more than I fear who is president.
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Re: If a person enters our country illegally, then takes up residence here,
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Apr 16, 2025, 10:48 AM
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no
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Re: If a person enters our country illegally, then takes up residence here,
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Apr 16, 2025, 10:49 AM
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a fella breaks into your house, you cant remove him until you meet with a judge
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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Exactly - you'd be violating his right to due process.
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Apr 16, 2025, 11:06 AM
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What a bunch of dil dos!
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No.
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Apr 16, 2025, 10:58 AM
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Immigration judge can say yes you get to stay for such and such reason.
Or
Immigration judge can say, you have to go back to your own country for such and such reason.
He/she/it gets due process. Everyone is allowed that, even those who entered illegally.
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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Re: No.
Apr 16, 2025, 11:36 AM
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If a person sneaks into my back door, without my permission, can I not throw him out? Do I have to let him stay until we can go before a judge?
I realize that's not a perfect comparison, but bottom line, I think if it has been established that a person entered the country illegally, they aren't deserving of hearings and appeals for months or years while remaining in our country illegally. I don't see how they have any such right, and I don't think that was ever the intent of the constitution.
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Campus Hero [13322]
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Id like to retire that analogy for good.
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Apr 16, 2025, 1:43 PM
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Someone breaks into your house, it’s personal, you know that person is there to steal from you or likely do you harm. The comparison reduces immigrants to criminal intruders. Wildly inaccurate. Folks may be fleeing violence, oppression, poverty to get here to seek a better life.
How did we get America? We showed up and took it, claimed it as our own. And native Americans, who never claimed ownership of the land, was a complete foreign concept to them to own land…got booted. The writers of the constitution set this whole system up, this way, for a reason. We were travelers at one point, too.
And if you’re of a spiritual nature, in the gospel of Matt, he says “I was a stranger in your land and you welcomed me”. Not hauled my ### back to El Salvador and threw me in the worlds now most notorious prison.
So let’s throw that analogy in the trash. What Trump is doing is flat phukking wrong. Evil. As citizens, let’s get his a$$ out of there and elect reasonable people that can work together and create a solid immigration policy that doesn’t allow free flow of everyone not American and establish a process where those coming here to find a better life can be treated fairly and be dealt with justly and respectfully.
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Re: Id like to retire that analogy for good.
Apr 16, 2025, 7:10 PM
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Now explain why Congress has NOT DONE ANYTHING about it.
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Because theyre too busy sucking
Apr 16, 2025, 7:29 PM
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Trumps little mushroom penor. Why would you even ask that dumas question? You know the answer, but you’re trying to blame it on Biden when the truth is that the last 5 administrations haven’t done shid about immigration because they’re all afraid. Afraid to fail, afraid to lose their seats. Quit electing phukking cowards. And trumps the biggest coward of them all.
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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First, I acknowledged it's not a perfect analogy, but it's perfect in this
Apr 17, 2025, 11:05 AM
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regard: People are illegally where they don't belong, and in many cases we don't need a court hearing to know that.
No, you don't know that the people who break into your house are there to hurt you. They may just be hungry. They may have an addiction that makes them behave irrationally. They may be on the streets due to personal tragedy. They may need help. Either way, such people don't have the right to be where they don't belong, and should expect to be removed.
I agree we can't kick down random doors in random searches and kidnap random people and send them packing all because somebody said they were illegal.
At the other extreme, I don't think people who enter illegally should be allowed to abuse the system by staying here while they wait years for a hearing, or just disappear and fail to show up for hearings. Accepting that is not an answer.
Somewhere in the middle is a workable, just way to not reward illegal entry. That starts with acknowledging that people who enter illegally in the first place don't belong here, and should be deported. Then, and ONLY THEN should we discuss what to do from there; observing and protecting their rights under the law is part of that, with the goal being deporting them.
For the record, I am all for system-wide reform to address all of this.
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They certainly are not automatically exempted
Apr 16, 2025, 11:00 AM
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Though I would imagine there would be a case-by-case review io which it would be in their and our (US citizens) best interest to put them on a path to citizenship.
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Re: If a person enters our country illegally, then takes up residence here,
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Apr 16, 2025, 11:02 AM
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I’d rather keep that person and deport some “native born” leech on permanent disability because of their morbid obesity from the EBT oreo addiction
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I won't stand for your hatred of curvy or thick people!***
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Like it or not, existing immigration law saws no.***
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Apr 16, 2025, 11:34 AM
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Your question is ridiculous. You say they "obey our laws" but they are
Apr 16, 2025, 12:17 PM
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are already breaking the law by being here illegally. If these people are afforded due process by the Constitution, then the Constitution needs to be amended.
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No, read it again.
Apr 16, 2025, 12:42 PM
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I said "If a person enters illegally . . . then obeys our laws".
So yes, the start by breaking our immigration laws. The say "#### the process, #### the law". Then, from that point, they obey all laws and keep their nose clean.
I think a lot of people believe such people should be allowed to stay, and not deported. I don't agree in most cases, but I'd like to here their thinking, so that's why I asked, so it's not ridiculous.
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But do a lot think they should be allowed to stay?
Apr 16, 2025, 1:24 PM
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Seems here the main argument on this board is do it properly and don’t send them to a concentration camp in another country.
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Orange Immortal [64945]
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Bottom line, people who enter illegally can't expect to stay, and should
Apr 17, 2025, 10:19 AM
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expect to be deported, and we should deport them.
I understand there are a lot of questions and problems regarding how we accomplish that, but that should be the starting point. Do a lot agree with that? I don't know. I would do a pole butt I don't know if could take the abuse that would result from asking that.
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Re: If a person enters our country illegally, then takes up residence here,
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Apr 16, 2025, 3:30 PM
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If a judge orders a person should not be deported for fear of their life in their home, and you deport them anyway.
Is that contempt for the law? Simple yes or no question.
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Isn't the judge supposed to uphold existing laws?***
Apr 16, 2025, 7:14 PM
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No, this doesn't exempt them from deportation.
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Apr 16, 2025, 4:49 PM
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Follow up question:
If someone is determined to have entered the country illegally, and a judge has already ruled that they can't be deported to back to El Salvador, is it okay to send them to a prison in El Salvador without any further legal proceedings?
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Legally, I don't see how.***
Apr 16, 2025, 9:25 PM
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No. I'm curious though. If someone is here illegally, how does that person
Apr 16, 2025, 4:54 PM
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legally marry a US of America citizen?
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Re: No. I'm curious though. If someone is here illegally, how does that person
Apr 16, 2025, 8:17 PM
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He wasn't here illegally.
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It doesn't "exempt" them but it should give pause to the idea at least...
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Apr 16, 2025, 4:55 PM
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Deporting law-abiding, productive members of society doesn't serve a country any good. Just because they committed a misdemeanor doesn't undo all the good they've done in the example you gave. But, technically, it doesn't make them exempt from deportation.
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I thought we were talking about Garcia?***
Apr 17, 2025, 10:46 PM
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Re: It doesn't "exempt" them but it should give pause to the idea at least...
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Illegal entry isn't even a misdemeanor. His under-the-table construction work prior to 2019 can be a misdemeanor, but the people who hired him are more culpable according to law; they can't really charge him without charging the people who hired him.
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Re: If a person enters our country illegally, then takes up residence here,
Apr 16, 2025, 5:58 PM
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No
I enjoy seeing these cockroaches being escorted into those scary prisons with their heads being pushed downward like the dogs they are.
I smile and am filled with glee at the idea of just how miserable their lives are.
If you want to be an American, nothing in this world is stopping you from becoming one, the right way.
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Scok hard!***
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Re: Scok hard!***
Apr 16, 2025, 6:22 PM
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I forgot about you! But I do remember reading the anger build in your posts during election season. It was quite hilarious. You were seething with anger at the Trump train heading straight for you with nowhere to hide!
I am surprised you made it! But that’s a good thing.
I’m sure there is some good hidden somewhere under all that liberalism infecting your very essence.
Maybe?
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Re: I can't even begin to imagine how miserable your life must be
Apr 16, 2025, 6:26 PM
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I can’t even begin to imagine how miserable it must be to live as a Gamecock sports fan in a world where Clemson exists.
I couldn’t stomach watching Clemson win championships all the time if I were you. How bad does it feel?
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Re: He's an anti Trump dude playing games.***
Apr 17, 2025, 11:12 AM
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Has to be. Too cliche.
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No, why dont these a-holes
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Follow the due process called ‘the law’
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That's just it - they come here not only ignoring our laws, but openly
Apr 18, 2025, 10:02 AM
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defying them. Then they expect to be protected by our laws. They are knowingly taking advantage of us, exploiting a loophole in our system. They have no right to do so, and we have no legal or moral obligation to allow it.
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Lets just get rid of those pesky BoR altogether
Apr 18, 2025, 11:45 AM
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It’ll make it far easier to lock people up. We should blindly trust the government anyway when they someone is a criminal.
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There's no possible way that you don't understand this by now***
Apr 18, 2025, 11:21 AM
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