I would rather not be in a new super semi-pro league.

Completely Solid Orange · 2023-08-04T17:32:47.283Z

I only care about winning if it follows a flow-chart. Is it Clemson doing the winning? Are we developing young men into good people? Is it a genuinely healthy family culture? Is it still college football? Are intense pressures unraveling the very essence of why Clemson football has been so special to so many for over 100 years? People who like the NFL already have the NFL. We are killing college football and making it into an inferior NFL clone.... just with college logos painted on the helmets. Why are we going along with this? Are AAA high school football games worthless? Are FCS playoff games worthless? Is your kid's rec league game worthless? What are we doing? We are enthusiastically cooperating with the destruction of college football. Clemson doesn't have to join the semi-pro league. Georgia Southern fans were a lot happier before they moved up to FBS. North Dakota State fans are happier than we are. They have their place and it's not fake or inferior in their hearts. If we tell them their games don't matter, do you think they will care? That's genuine pride. That's respectable. Do only the most powerful and richest among us have anything legitimate to be proud of? We don't have to let money rip us out of our foundation. We don't have to go into panic-emergency mode "not to get left behind." Can't we, as a self-respecting community, agree what is important to US based on our principles and values and just pursue THAT to the fullest? Clemson athletics will be great and we will have meaningful games that we have pride in regardless of what other schools do. We shouldn't be so scared and nervous to fit in or not get left behind. I wouldn't trade Clemson for the Dallas Cowboys. I think Clemson games are more important than the super bowl or the world cup. What we have to be proud of stands on its own.

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Aug 4, 2023, 2:09 PM

Is it Clemson doing the winning? Remains to be seen. But it's about more than winning. ACC is a trash conference that's actively holding us down. The money means a lot and funds all athletics. And good athletics attracts better students.

Are we developing young men into good people? Not the job of a football team and I'm sick and tired of pretending it is. It's a parent's job to develop their kids into good people. We don't pay $11 million for our coach to "develop young men." You can get a good mentor for a hell of a lot cheaper. Recruit for character all you want, but the goal of a football team is to (a) win and (b) make money. We can't do either with the ACC contract.

Is it a genuinely healthy family culture? I don't know what that means, but see above. And nothing about moving to a higher paid conference means it wouldn't be.

Is it still college football? If you think college football is "still college football," I've got a great bridge to sell you.

Are intense pressures unraveling the very essence of why Clemson football has been so special to so many for over 100 years? It's stupid to claim Clemson football has had any single identity over this period of time. Clemson now has a very different identity than it did under Bowden or Ford or pick any other coach.

Are AAA high school football games worthless? High school are kids and it's not a business, so a dumb analogy. But no one is going to claim Beaufort is the actual best team in South Carolina. We know Clemson was the best team in 2016 and 2018. That's what being a division 1 program is all about.

Are FCS playoff games worthless? I think the last time I watched one was when Armanti Edwards was QBing for App State. Value is subjective, and for me and the vast majority of people, they're pretty close to worthless.

Is your kid's rec league game worthless? As I said, kids are different. Entirely volunteer league. And as you said, it's your kid. I doubt you're going to random childrens' red league games.

What are we doing? We are enthusiastically cooperating with the destruction of college football. College football as you know it is already gone. The portal and NIL aren't going away. You have to adapt to the times or die. You are free to go root for PC if you prefer.

Clemson doesn't have to join the semi-pro league. We do if we want to remain relevant and a top tier program.

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You obviously have different values than me. That's fine.

Agreed To a Point!

I use App State and their run at FCS titles. Those folks couldn't care less who won FCS the years they won their titles.

I see it the exact same way.

In H.S. football; are state champions in their respective states not to be proud of their accomplishments? Because silly writers who have not even seen them play(much like college football was back in the day with a bunch of North and Northwestern/Mid-western schools benefitting). They declare schools like Bishop Gormon, St. Xavier or St. Jon Bosco or St. Thomas Aquinas "NATIONAL CHAMPS"!

Just silly really!

Especially if in a person's mind; "they need to be validated by others"!

I've been saying the same thing Solid Orange, Completely. Let them form a new conference. Let it not be NCAA. Clemson can stay in the NCAA and Re-Write the history books with it's name all over it.

If in this new league there is no scholarship limit. That might hurt some; but eventually that will implode(guaranteed).

So, I get it to that point.

I also think it's worth thinking through the benefits and drawbacks of not joining. I.E. will their still be an NCAA? Will other schools continue to field teams who do not make it into the super conference? You have to be smart about it; but if the info is basically they are forming a semi--pro league and only those with enough money and alumni base can join. Then - my thing is if there is another alternative go with it.

We will never have the alumni base of Texas or Ohio State or Michigan - "Never"!
But, it hasn't kept us from being competitive to those schools. To this point anyway and as long as the rules don't get to far out of hand; I don't think it will. 2012 against LSU they had more alumni. They had a bigger athletic budget. They had more 4 and 5 star players and more then under the table NIL money being given. Yet, we beat them! Same with several examples from 2012 on.

I agree in short; but only after we have done some research and asked around about how things are likely to go with the schools who are left out of the $$$$Big Money league.

Amen TiGER..I concur!

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You obviously have different values than me. That's fine.

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You have arbitrary assumptions.

I don't get all the devotion to a conference

I don't care about the ACC at all. This wasn't about the ACC***

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everything will be alright . Clemson is well positioned

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Agreed To a Point!

Great response. I agree with your points.***

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