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Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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It's very interesting. I didn't know Jackson, MS was the murder capital of the USA.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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May 27, 2025, 7:48 AM
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I knew about it. People always think Chicago, but it's not even close. Even North Charleston has a higher rate.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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May 27, 2025, 7:52 AM
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I think it has been for a long time. I had to work in Mississippi several times in the 1996 -1998 timeframe and it was either #1 or certainly in top 5 back then.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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May 27, 2025, 7:56 AM
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Reading up on Cultures of Honor is really illuminating on this subject.
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Ring of Honor [23900]
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How so?***
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May 27, 2025, 8:20 AM
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Re: How so?***
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May 27, 2025, 9:33 AM
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The theory goes that the settlers of south east US were primarily Scots Irish herdsman. Herdsman were required by trade to respond to theft aggressively with violence. Consider also the Wild West, rustlers were condemned to death. Having a reputation of merciless retribution was good for business.
That intensity in violence of response becomes ingrained in Appalachian and deep southern culture. It’s just a theory but it’s pretty interesting. It makes sense to me when I watch the owner of my company consistently make poor business decisions when their reputation is on the line.
Michigan did a really interesting experiment about how people respond to insults specifically southerners that supports the claims that southerners tend to respond with aggression.
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Rival Killer [2679]
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It ain't the Scots-Irish committing the murders.
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May 27, 2025, 9:41 AM
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Its a little bit different demographic. I'm sure if you search hard enough, you'll figure it out.
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Re: It ain't the Scots-Irish committing the murders.
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May 27, 2025, 11:30 AM
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Being coy just makes it gross.
Sure black cultures and communities can also tend to be cultures of honor. Even if you remove all murders committed by black individuals then US murder rates would dwarf European comparisons. So the problem isn’t inherently a racial problem, but the fact that there is a difference is an interesting barometer as to what the underlying reasons actually are.
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Re: It ain't the Scots-Irish committing the murders.
May 27, 2025, 3:32 PM
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That's actually not true, at least with regards to gun murders. White Americans per capita gun murder numbers really aren't far off from many European countries. The problem with the US murder stats is that Hispanic gun murder rates are several multiples higher and AA gun murder rates are in the neighborhood of ten plus times higher than whites. There's a pretty clear correlation between these demographics and crime in pretty much any area in the US. Now this is referencing gun murders so perhaps non gun murder rates skew heavily towards white people. I haven't seen those stats so not saying you're wrong just that the gun murder rates are definitely skewed extremely heavily among non-whites.
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Re: It ain't the Scots-Irish committing the murders.
May 27, 2025, 3:39 PM
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Sorry was posting from memory and had to go look. Actually AA gun murders are more like 20 plus times, not 10. That's quite a disparity which will quickly skew crime stats for an entire country.
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Re: How so?***
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May 27, 2025, 10:32 AM
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Most studies on emotional reactions support that people from honor cultures will have more of a heightened response to insults to their social image or person. I can understand how this would support your interesting theory on why southerners react more intensely than northerners. Northerners have no honor.
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Re: How so?***
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May 27, 2025, 10:42 AM
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Cuckoo
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Northerners have no honor
May 27, 2025, 2:18 PM
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Makes sense to me.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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May 27, 2025, 11:50 AM
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Great call.
Sowell is one of those folks that I don’t always agree with but I always enjoy and seek out reading because it’s well written, challenging and always on the pulse of America. Joseph Stiglitz is a great foil if you want a deeper understanding of Keynesian applications, although he dabbles much less is social theories and racial theories and mostly sticks to Econ. But he’s a great writer, and worth reading whether or not you agree with him because he is so good at laying out the premise of a given position. At least that’s my opinion.
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Land Of The Deranged & Violent
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Oh, the irony
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May 27, 2025, 9:05 AM
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I wonder why?
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May 27, 2025, 9:04 AM
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79% of the murders in the US are from handguns.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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May 27, 2025, 9:07 AM
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I guess I’ll call out the elephant in the room. What demographic is 13% of the population yet accounts for over 50% of homicides in America?
What demographic is missing in those European countries?
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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May 27, 2025, 9:12 AM
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You think it's because they are black? What's your reasoning to how it got that way?
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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May 27, 2025, 9:16 AM
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The statistics are what they are. Yes, Black Americans are far more violent than white Americans per capita. I think it’s a culture problem and lack of fathers in the home problem.
Music glorifying selling drugs, gang banging, being with tons of women, and shooting people contributes as well.
Figure out how to put fathers in the home and I believe that will solve most of the problem.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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May 27, 2025, 9:20 AM
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It probably has a lot to do with socioeconomics of the past and even now and the history of the United States too. That's probably what got us on that path.
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Ring of Honor [23900]
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Most of that happened because conservative southern leaders....
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May 27, 2025, 10:28 AM
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..from the past especially.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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Plenty of blacks in London and France, but the numbers do not support your theory. This is a uniquely American problem, not one of skin color.
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Re: Socio-economically depressed populations?
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May 27, 2025, 9:20 AM
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Yep..we know how he feels.
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The maga crowd is emboldened that's for sure.***
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Re: The maga crowd is emboldened that's for sure.***
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When you refer to the MAGA Crowd, are you referring to the 77,302,580 people
that voted for the president?
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Re: The maga crowd is emboldened that's for sure.***
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May 27, 2025, 10:11 AM
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The vast majority of people that voted Trump aren't the MAGA crowd.
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I love it when people imply that
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May 27, 2025, 10:18 AM
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"Making America great again "a negative thing.
The anger is so powerful they don't realize what they are saying.
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Re: I love it when people imply that
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May 27, 2025, 10:21 AM
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Making America great is a good thing. It's always been great though. I think he is thinking more of the crowd that attacked our Capitol Jan 6th types. The ignorant folks that are at MAGA rallies. Charlottesville type MAGA.
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Ultimate Tiger [33766]
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I call those people morans...Or criminals.
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May 27, 2025, 10:24 AM
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Every 1 of us should be pro maga.
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Re: I call those people morans...Or criminals.
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May 27, 2025, 10:38 AM
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Are you talking about those on Jan 6th? Sorry, just trying to figure out who you are referring to. Thanks
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Re: I call those people morans...Or criminals.
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Jan 6 -when the FBI and other DEM operatives incited and helped stage an event? and the committee somehow "lost" the evidence---Also the Dems were the ones who supported ANTIFA and BLM as they rioted, burned buildings and attacked people for months.
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Re: I call those people morans...Or criminals.
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May 27, 2025, 12:48 PM
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Seek mental help.
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Re: Socio-economically depressed populations?
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Being that we are a majority white country, there are way more poor white people in America than black people. Approximately 16 million white Americans are considered lower class while 7 million black people are considered lower class. Sure black people are poorer per capita. That doesn’t make up for the fact that they make up 13% of the population yet commit over 50% of the murders. Also, white people own guns.
There are plenty of black people that will tell you the black community, for the most part, has a serious culture issue.
Not sure what inequalities you are talking about.
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Re: Socio-economically depressed populations?
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May 27, 2025, 10:19 AM
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There is a much longer history and the scenarios are apples and oranges. The culture issues you brought up earlier with music etc weren't even around years ago when murder rates were extremely high as well.
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Nonsense
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It's just as good as any other excuse.
That's the thing about stats.. you can use them to push whatever agenda you want.
Heck.. you could look at those cities and even blame the weather if you wanted.
All those countries have different judicial systems...and Different civil rights.
Moscow had a low murder rate.. do you want to run things like Moscow?
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Re: Nonsense
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May 27, 2025, 10:24 AM
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Tucker Carlson says it is better than the USA.
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Ahhh.. just the morans i was posting about
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May 27, 2025, 10:31 AM
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So a angry they don't realize the stupid stuff they are saying.
To Tuckers credit..he is a shock jock and gets paid to say stupid stuff. I dunno about the dudes in your pic...maybe puttin is giving them a kick back.
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Ring of Honor [23900]
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The thing is that these are lots of different European cities....
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...if you're looking for one common variable it's the gun availability.
Australia's 1996 National Firearms Agreement (NFA), significantly contributed to a decline in firearm-related deaths, including homicides.
The studies are out there.
On a side note, the second amendment hasn't been curiously absent from this discussion.
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True.. lack of guns is a statistic...so is color***
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May 27, 2025, 10:33 AM
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Ring of Honor [23900]
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Color?
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Hugely bigoted comment.
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Re: Socio-economically depressed populations?
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Yep….Guns are the issue. I love ignorance. Where there is a will there is a way. Guns are low hanging fruit but rest assured human murders occurred with prevalence long before a single firearm was invented.
If I’m ever at Walmart and pull mine to help you as you are being beat down, please remind me you don’t like them so I can save myself the hassle of defending you and subsequently myself, for using it. Good day fine sir.
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Re: Socio-economically depressed populations?
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May 27, 2025, 10:25 AM
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Exactly. Guns don't make killing easier it all. If they didn't use a gun they would use a spork.
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Those are sobering statistics.
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I wonder how gun laws and poverty levels for these cities compare?
I bet those European cities have more stringent gun laws and probably less poverty too.
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Re: Those are sobering statistics.
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Yep….Guns are the issue. I love ignorance. Where there is a will there is a way. Guns are low hanging fruit but rest assured human murders occurred with prevalence long before a single firearm was invented.
If I’m ever at Walmart and pull mine to help you as you are being beat down, please remind me you don’t like them so I can save myself the hassle of defending you and subsequently myself, for using it. Good day fine sir.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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Jackson, MS is number one? Based on watching "In the Heat of the Night" every morning, I would have thought it was Sparta, MS,
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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I know. That was a HECK of a lot of crime for a small town.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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Link to the data?
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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Jackson , Ms. is 82% black according to a quick demographic search. One is left to infer, speculate or make excuses but the stats are what they are and must be taken in to account.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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And?
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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More homogenized cultures, larger social safety nets, lack of gun ownership.
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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I think it has more to do with the last two than skin color.
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I'd like to see total murders per city too.***
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Re: I'd like to see total murders per city too.***
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The bigger cities get more murders for some reason.
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Re: I'd like to see total murders per city too.***
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The bigger cities get more murders for some reason.
Run by woke democrats …
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Re: I'd like to see total murders per city too.***
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And bigger populations, maybe. Idk
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Re: I'd like to see total murders per city too.***
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Tiger drum, you are correct. Blacks make up for most of the crimes by a large margin yet no one will mention it for fear of being labeled a racist of which I am not but facts are facts. Martin Luther King would have never allowed this to happen but no black leader stepped up to fill his shoes.
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Re: I'd like to see total murders per city too.***
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People know it. Educated people know how we got here though.
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Re: I'd like to see total murders per city too.***
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It's not about Democrats or republican's. It's a morality issue.
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Re: I'd like to see total murders per city too.***
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The previous poster thought it was about being woke and Dem.
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Re: I'd like to see total murders per city too.***
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That would make for an interesting comparison for sure. How many of the top 30 cities in the US have been run predominantly by pubs the last twenty years? And i dont mean the occasional Pub mayor. I mean run from to to bottom for decades like most of them are by Dems?
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Re: Comparing murder rates of American and European Cites.
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We have been a violent people since our founding.
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