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Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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As hard as it is to say that after a loss. SCU’s QB won that game on broken plays, and not just the go ahead TD. Our defense was physical, aggressive, and had a good game plan. Got to give that QB credit, he made something happen several times when the play they called had been shut down by us.
Lots of young Tigers looked good on both sides of the ball, though. The future is bright, I think we’ll be fine.
Edit to add the word “schematically” to clarify my intent.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:00 PM
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Yeah, I ain’t buying that. Someone said we were playing man all day when we should have been playing zone.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:02 PM
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THIS!! Why in the good Lords name are we playing man knowing they have a QB that can run the way he can. The coaching “job” that was turned in today was pathetic. We should have been in zone, at least when they were near the red zone.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:06 PM
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You go out of man and Sellers throws for over 300 yards. We got beat down.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
Nov 30, 2024, 10:10 PM
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He can’t freaking throw. Good lord
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I was yelling this at the game in hopes SOMEBODY might hear me
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:45 PM
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If we were going to stick with man coverage, put en effin spy on the QB at a MINIMUM.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 9:36 PM
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We were until we went nickel in the second half and took Sammy Brown out.
At least play Sammy for Woodazz who was clearly not completely healthy.
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Sammy coming out was odd***
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Nov 30, 2024, 9:37 PM
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As odd as not adjusting to the QB scrambles?***
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:01 PM
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They can’t stop the run
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Their RB had 60 yards
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:03 PM
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Their QB had 166, and those weren’t all on called draws.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:01 PM
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True
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:01 PM
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I love your optimism, but I feel like you’re a bit delusional, friend.
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One thing I am not is that.***
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:04 PM
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CU Medallion [18156]
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yeah, that sounds exactly like what a delusional person would say***
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:08 PM
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Re: One thing I am not is that.***
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:09 PM
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Are you drunk? Maybe? Instead of delusional? That would make it make sense.
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Re: One thing I am not is that.***
Nov 30, 2024, 10:26 PM
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Don't know for sure but perhaps FM wasn't referring to delusional as to the "one thing", friend.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:02 PM
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No just no. There is no spinning poor fundamentals. Too much arm tackling, too much over pursuit, no intensity, no communication on who has what.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:18 PM
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I see you changed the post to schematically good. Id argue it was not. Blitzing but giving up 8-10 yard cushions on a 3rd and short is not good schematically. Running a nickel set out in the 4th quarter against a team that couldn't pass was not smart especially with the QB running like he was.
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I did edit to add schematically
Nov 30, 2024, 8:44 PM
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because after rereading a couple of responses I recognized I wasn’t clear on my point. The SCU QB beat us with his legs on broken plays. The plays were broken because of good defensive scheme and execution. What happened after the breakdown, which several posters (not you necessarily) are hung up on, is exactly to the point. Had the QB not have had to improvise because of coverage, he would not have made many of the plays that hurt us.
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Good Lord, that's pathetic***
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:05 PM
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Uhhhh no
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:05 PM
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Lol. You try hard.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Just get home drunk from the game Captain Sunshine? What a dreadful take. What are you going to say when your boyfriend Puddin’ Goodwin hits the unemployment line after the season? What an idiotic post. I hope you were being sarcastic.
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Re: Our defense was actually too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:07 PM
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Respectfully disagree. We don’t know how to tackle.
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Tackling was not great
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:10 PM
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But I was talking more schematics. I should have been clearer.
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Re: Tackling was not great
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It was a schematic fail of epic proportions. Their QB ran around and through the defense. There was no scheme available from fat boy that could stop it. He had no answers to what they were doing. QB run, QB run again, QB run one more time and scores. All 4th quarter…
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I may be wrong, but, I don't think his job is as simple or easy
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:22 PM
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as you think it is.
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Re: I may be wrong, but, I don't think his job is as simple or easy
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:42 PM
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He changed to a nickel defense in the 4th quarter which appeared to lead to the Sellers bending the whole defense over and having his way with us.
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Re: I may be wrong, but, I don't think his job is as simple or easy
Nov 30, 2024, 9:40 PM
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And yet the defense only gave up 17. The offense on the other hand was well as they always are pathetic.
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u* g** a****
Nov 30, 2024, 6:07 PM
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Well, thats one take***
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The majority of his big runs were on plays where
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:43 PM
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he had no receivers to throw to, not on designed runs. We lost because of what he was able to do after those plays broke down. We did a poor job tackling him once he took off, but he took off because he had to. That’s good defensive scheme and execution, which forced him to do something (improvise) that cost us the game.
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Is tackling part of execution?***
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:55 PM
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Re: The majority of his big runs were on plays where
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Sure. Tackling was an issue but at some point we needed to do something to stay in rush lanes maybe? Seemed that the rushers got themselves out of position a lot and left escape routes.
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We over rushed. Basically got too deep.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:39 PM
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Look at how the Steelers handle Lamar Jackson. This is a prime example.
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Re: We over rushed. Basically got too deep.
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By the 4th quarter, play contain on the edge and keep Parker and Woods in front of Sellars.
When they beat their OL and rushed up field it created lanes for him to run through. A normal qb wouldve been sacked a few times more. But this dude ain't normal.
That's what killed us. By late in the game, I'd rather take my chances with him being in the pocket with time to through than out of it.
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:54 PM
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I believe you're looking at it correctly. They had a bunch of Seniors on that SC team. I don't like Riley's play calls but this isn't a disaster.
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:54 PM
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I don't know about schematically good, but I do know our tackling sucked swamp water.
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It was not great***
Nov 30, 2024, 8:50 PM
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If it's not the offense it's the defense.
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You have no credibility because you are ALWAYS defending losses and losing play. Results do not match the pay, period.
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Not sure why you say I have no credibility
Nov 30, 2024, 8:50 PM
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simply because you don’t understand or agree with the concept I put out there.
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Tiger Spirit [9155]
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:59 PM
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We loss!
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Wes??? That you???
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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I totally agree. We had’em dead to rights on a minimum 3 separate times and he made big plays.
Sellers is LEGIT. He’s a gamer like Connor Shaw. Probably doesn’t have much of an NFL career but can straight up ball out.
Too many hand tackles and not enough wrapping up are also inexcusable.
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Like not teaching tackling? Who's responsibility is that?***
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We are talking about schematics
Nov 30, 2024, 7:51 PM
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Tackling was an issue
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Re: Like not teaching tackling? Who's responsibility is that?***
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It's hard to teach something you've never done. BV was an incredible LB coach - he knew the position.
Telling someone to do something is very different from showing them how to do it.
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
Nov 30, 2024, 7:01 PM
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Agree!! Sellers refused to lose and Clemson simply were not good enough. 14 points beats very few teams. Yards, blah, no points. Yards, blah, turnover. Yards, blah. LOSS
At some point the game ends and Clemson earned that loss today. Sellers earned the win. Coots defense while allowing yards galore stood up when needed and outside 2 CK runs held Clemson all day.
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
Nov 30, 2024, 7:03 PM
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While I can agree...
### is the OC doing? We were attacking and going deep to Wesco, Moore and Williams in the beginning......then, only twice more I recall on 3rd downs and deep to Wesco.
Tigers will not win anything of significance with this BOLOGNA OC!!! (Unless we just decide to go down a level and play vs Furman, ND State and the rest of FCS.)
Go Tigers!!!
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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No wonder you coach junior pee wee football? SCHEMATICALLY SOUND???? we - and the world knew - going into this game there was ONE way they could beat us - do not contain the QB. All scheming, in game and halftime adjustments should have been focused on that element. WE FAILED HORRIBLY!!
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:12 PM
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I agree with most aspects of your assessment.
Unfortunately, Goodwin gets snookered by plays which are situationally obvious, but for which … in any given game … he hadn’t seen yet.
S.Carolina’s screen pass on first down early in 2nd half caught us completely flat footed. There was no special killer block or ‘make the defender miss’ special move by the RB receiver on that play.
Goodwin should have figured out that an offense which had hardly any success other than Seller’s scrambles (I.e., minimal success passing or running via the RB) might just possibly maybe think of an say to complete play that hadn’t been tried on a first down play.
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As for the tackling disasters, the DC must have something to do with this 2 years and counting problem. Don’t tell me that he hired out some third party vendor to bear responsibility for our D’s terrible tackl8ng.
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I was not addressing tackling
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:46 PM
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Which was an issue. I was pointing out that their best player beat us scrambling because he didn’t have many other options.
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Switching to the 4-2 in the 4th quarter just to give up 150 yards and multiple scores, which should have been more if not for the INT.
Having a hobbled Woodaz spying their best player instead of Barrett Carter on 3rd and 16.
Dropping TJ Parker, our best pass rusher, into coverage on 3rd downs.
Not forcing their QB to beat you with his arm.
I must have watched a different game.
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Maybe
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:37 PM
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Just my take. You are entitled to yours as well.
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Re: Maybe
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That’s fair.
Cheers to hopefully we win the ACCCG next week.
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Nothing like going back and editing after people have already replied huh?***
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Vickesque.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:20 PM
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Tough loss. But credit to Sellers who absolutely improvised when he needed to. From where I was sitting, Clemson D controlled the LOS, blanketed the WRs, and hammered #5.
And while most around here won't admit it, Clemson's QB played a great game, too. Beautiful throws, great runs. And the WRs made some great catches.
Was everything one hopes for in a rivalry game with everything on the line, except for the L.
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Great throws? Not when it counted******
Nov 30, 2024, 9:28 PM
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Every great throw counts.
Dec 1, 2024, 6:34 PM
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He made some bad throws, too. Like all QBs do. (I realize you expect Clemson QBs to go 40-of-40 for 400 and 4 TDs every game and fart glitter.)
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Come'on FM....is my meter broken or something? They were picking up chunk plays almost every time they got the ball in the 2nd half. Sellers was running a lot of designed qb runs not just broken plays. Does pi** poor tackling factor into schemes?
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The majority of the QBs big runs were not by design.
Nov 30, 2024, 8:52 PM
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We got gashed mostly when he improvised.
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Re: The majority of the QBs big runs were not by design.
Nov 30, 2024, 10:01 PM
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If they weren't by design then he took it upon himself to simply tuck the ball and run early during the play. I guess i would too if i knew the guys on the other side couldn't tackle me.
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Several of them he was still trying to find a receiver as he rolled out to
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escape pressure, which says he still wanted to throw it. The SCU staff should have run him more, but he was trying to throw it a lot of the time. But you are correct, once he ran he was rarely tackled, again, kind of my point. We stopped them from doing a lot of what they wanted to, just couldn’t stop the improvisation, which is what beat us.
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Kudos for picking this hill to die on***
Nov 30, 2024, 10:09 PM
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I was wondering if Wes hadn't been so aggressive ..
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... by chasing after Sellers so much and the D line stay home maybe Sellers doesn't have those big runs.
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I thought the same
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but it was good to see us get pressure most of the game. And I like the blitzes. For the most part we got their, and as another poster said, most QBs would have taken several more sacks.
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What game did you watch?******
Nov 30, 2024, 9:24 PM
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Clemson vs South Carolina***
Nov 30, 2024, 9:36 PM
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Apparently not******
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I did.***
Nov 30, 2024, 9:40 PM
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 9:38 PM
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So it was a good loss?
GTFOOH
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I didnt say that.***
Nov 30, 2024, 9:39 PM
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Re: I didnt say that.***
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Nov 30, 2024, 9:41 PM
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You are making excuses for a defense let their quarterback run 166 yards. We knew the guy would run. And did nothing about it. #### poor coaching.
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Thats incorrect
Nov 30, 2024, 9:44 PM
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I explained a reason why they won. We didn’t stop their QB when he had to improvise. He had to improvise because of our game plan and execution. He didn’t run for 166 yards on draws.
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Re: I didnt say that.***
Nov 30, 2024, 9:45 PM
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We did do something about it clown. It’s called turn overs. The D set the offense up to put the game away over and over. What did they get for it? 3 and out after three and out from Cade and that crap Riley offense.
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Re: I didnt say that.***
Nov 30, 2024, 10:16 PM
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They did something about it. It just didn't work. What's annoying is you people who think there's always some magical defense to stop every kind of play.
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
Nov 30, 2024, 10:13 PM
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Nope. The problem was not just we had nobody as fast as him. We could not tackle him when we got our hands on him. Not sure if he was that strong or we were that weak. We need to figure it out or the next three years will be miserable. He made bank every time we busted up the play in the backfield.
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Your last sentence is exactly the point
Nov 30, 2024, 10:24 PM
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He had nowhere to throw, we got penetration regularly, but had no answer when he improvised in broken play situations.
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
Nov 30, 2024, 10:47 PM
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Bottom line, 17 points should not have beaten us. If you had told me before the game that we would hold them to 17, I would have gladly taken it.
We squandered offensive opportunities and became way, way too conservative with the lead in the fourth quarter. Our biggest mistake was going 3 and out after the onside kick. We could have put the game away right there.
Finally, we were intercepted on a meaningless throw that should never have been made to end the game. We had time to make 2 throws into the endzone for the win or kick the FG for OT. Because of a dumb play, we lost our opportunity for any of that.
Offense lost the game, not defense.
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Ultimately, it was poor coaching that cost us the game***
Nov 30, 2024, 10:56 PM
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 10:54 PM
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Scheme is irrelevant if you can't tackle. I have not seen a Clemson team fail so miserably at tackling a guy since Warrick Dunn. They are just a better football team. Jimmies, Joes, X's and O's. Hope it can be fixed, but my optimism is NIL.
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Re: Our defense was actually schematically too good today.
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Nov 30, 2024, 11:05 PM
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Why didn’t we adjust to Sellars running on broken plays. He was 80% of their offense. Why didn’t we have Sammy or someone as spy? Maybe wouldn’t have prevented every run but would have stopped a few and slowed a few.
Dude ran 16 times for 160 yards.
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That's just crazy talk...Who makes changes to the gameplan during the game?
Nov 30, 2024, 11:08 PM
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The scheme was fine, why change it when it works so well that scrambles are the only way they can move the ball?
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One day we will have a second string running back*
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Nov 30, 2024, 11:06 PM
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nm
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Who is going to recruit and/or develop this unicorn?***
Nov 30, 2024, 11:10 PM
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