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"He's a runner, so he's not defenseless"
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Sep 3, 2023, 8:28 PM
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Where do they get these clowns?
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Re: "He's a runner, so he's not defenseless"
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Sep 3, 2023, 8:29 PM
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He looks pretty defenseless to me when he runs 
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From the SEC Indoctrination Training Forum.***
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Sep 3, 2023, 8:30 PM
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You jump into the air at the middle of the LOS
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Sep 3, 2023, 8:34 PM
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You get what you deserve!
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Re: "He's a runner, so he's not defenseless"
Sep 3, 2023, 8:39 PM
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That's literally in the text of the rules.
"It is an illegal launch if a player (i) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (ii) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body. (This does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenseless player, as defined in Article 7.)"
The only kind of runner that is considered a defenseless runner is one who is being held by an opposing player and whose progress has stopped.
His statement was entirely accurate. You should learn the rules.
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I think his point was...
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Sep 3, 2023, 8:41 PM
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that in the modern day we're looking for and even expecting a penalty to be called for what used to be normal, hard-nosed defense. And I agree with that.
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I agree with your point, but my point actually was that
Sep 3, 2023, 8:46 PM
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a runner can most certainly be defenseless. I mean, who else would a tackler target besides a player with the ball (runner)?
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: I agree with your point, but my point actually was that
Sep 3, 2023, 9:02 PM
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Crazy enough. The rules define that too.
The quarterback throwing or just after throwing a pass
Someone running a route if the defender is coming from behind or from the side
Someone in the act of catching a pass
Someone in the act of catching a punt or kickoff
A kicker during or just after a kick
A quarterback after change of possession (so they basically can never be hit if they're on defense)
A player on the ground
A runner whose forward progress has been stopped.
Don't get me wrong. I think most of those should be fair game. Injuries happen, and they're ruining high level football by over-protecting their assets. But by definition, runners are not defenseless players.
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Orange Immortal [65599]
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That's weird. The rule you referenced refers to
Sep 3, 2023, 9:33 PM
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defenseless runners. So, runners can be defenseless, and my point is correct, which was that the announcer was incorrect to say that the runner could not be defenseless because he was a runner.
"It is an illegal launch if a player (i) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (ii) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body. (This does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenseless player, as defined in Article 7.)"
The rule specifically states that a "defenseless runner" includes, but is not limited to the examples you gave. Granted, I had not read this rule in years, and was not nearly as familiar with it as you are, but my point was correct: A runner can be defenseless.
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Re: "He's a runner, so he's not defenseless"
Sep 3, 2023, 8:42 PM
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I don't see the part where it says that since he's a runner, he can't be defenseless, which is exactly what the announcer said. Who else would a tackler be targeting anyway, besides a runner?
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Re: "He's a runner, so he's not defenseless"
Sep 3, 2023, 9:03 PM
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That rule I quote is the definition of what a defenseless player is. I bolded where it says the rule for runners are not defenseless players.
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Orange Immortal [65599]
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And that rule does not say anywhere that runners
Sep 3, 2023, 9:35 PM
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can't be defenseless players, and in fact, gives examples of when they can be defenseless.
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Re: And that rule does not say anywhere that runners
Sep 3, 2023, 9:37 PM
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I don't understand how it could be clearer than saying the rule for hits against a defenseless player does not apply to hits against runners.
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Orange Immortal [65599]
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It doesn't say that. It actually says that runners can be
Sep 4, 2023, 12:03 AM
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defenseless players. Per YOUR post (highlights mine):
(This does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenseless player, as defined in Article 7.)"
It says it right there: unless the runner is still considered a defenseless player. Therefore, a runner can be defenseless.
From the rule book:
Runner and Ball Carrier
ARTICLE 7. a. The runner is a player in possession of a live ball or simulating possession of a live ball.
b. A ball carrier is a runner in possession of a live ball
Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 14 A defenseless player is one who because of their physical position and focus of concentration is especially vulnerable to injury When in question, a player is defenseless
Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:
a. A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass This includes an offensive player in a passing posture with focus downfield
b. A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect themselves or has not clearly become a ball carrier
c. A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return
d. A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect themselves or has not clearly become a ball carrier
e. A player on the ground
f. A player obviously out of the play
g. A player who receives a blind-side block
h. A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped
i. A quarterback any time after a change of possession
j. A ball carrier who has obviously given themselves up and is sliding feet first
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Re: "He's a runner, so he's not defenseless"
Sep 3, 2023, 8:55 PM
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So if a QB jumps forward the defense should let him go even if he is about to score?
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