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Dabo's Legacy?
Oct 28, 2013, 8:27 AM
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If Dabo left Clemson today, how would he be remembered regarding his time as Head Coach?
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4 in a row***
Oct 28, 2013, 8:30 AM
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1st ACC Championship in 20+ years. First 10 win back to back
Oct 28, 2013, 8:43 AM
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seasons in 20+ years. Wins over big-time SEC programs -- UGA which had not been done since 1990 and LSU which was the 1st time. 2 wins over Auburn--first since the 50's. First win over VT since the 1980's.
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Which is all well and good but is scarred by 4 in a row.***
Oct 28, 2013, 10:00 AM
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Your priorities are backwards.
Nov 1, 2013, 10:55 PM
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Otherwise we would still have Tommy Bowden here.
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You do mean since 1998? Yeah we had some transition issues
Oct 28, 2013, 10:36 AM
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in 2010. But since then we are 28-7 going on 33-7.
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He is not the John Cooper of Clemson just yet.
Nov 1, 2013, 9:00 PM
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Lets see what happens the next few years before we worry about his legacy.
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hummm..seems I remember when the coots lost 12 games in a
Nov 2, 2013, 9:05 PM
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Row.....and we beat thmem by oh..was it 63 points
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Oct 28, 2013, 8:30 AM
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At this point? IMO losing to the coots, WVU and beating LSU. Until he wins a BCS bowl that's really all to remember. Yeah we won an ACC Champ but no one is going to care much about that in 10 years outside of Clemson fans.
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As usual. All accomplishments overlooked but will always
Oct 28, 2013, 11:24 AM
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highlight the failures. Surprised??
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Re: As usual. All accomplishments overlooked but will always
Oct 28, 2013, 11:29 AM
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YEah because I didn't mention LSU....
Just answering th OP. In 10 years not beating the coots will be the most talked about if he doesn't win this year.
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How long have you been a fan???
Nov 1, 2013, 10:57 PM
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Dabo has done more than most every coach in the history of our school. Some you you guys sound like spoiled brats.
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If he left today
Oct 28, 2013, 8:36 AM
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it would be that he bailed mid-season. jk
He has raised the bar, taken CU to the next level, provided a great foundation and a ton of quotes (good and bad)... TWEET THAT
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Oct 28, 2013, 9:12 AM
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Interesting comparative numbers with a coach that was fired.
Dabo - 68.1 winning percentage and 1 ACC Championship
Hatfeld 71.1% winning percentage and 1 ACC Championship
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Nov 1, 2013, 8:58 PM
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Thank you! I posted that months ago to prove the same point, but was treated rather rudely when I presented the same facts.
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You tell 'em ####***
Nov 1, 2013, 10:59 PM
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Re: You tell 'em ####***
Nov 1, 2013, 11:01 PM
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No Shane, I'd rather tell you on December 1.
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Tell me what ####?***
Nov 1, 2013, 11:03 PM
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Re: Tell me what ####?***
Nov 1, 2013, 11:47 PM
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Well, if I were a #### like you seem to think, then I would be sure to torment you if the Tigers fall again, right? I would probably ask you if you could really stomach another year of #### supremacy on the gridiron, or something like that. However, if I'm a Tiger fan, then I'm going to tell you that Dabo couldn't get it done again, if the gamecocks win. Now if Clemson wins, and I'm a ####, then naturally I would stay off this board, maybe never to be heard from again. Conversely, if I get to celebrate a Tiger victory, then I might want to tell you that it's about time that Dabo finally won a game against those suckers. So look on the bright side my friend, you have four fun-filled scenarios to play out in your mind for the next 30 days.
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You really don't see it do you? You really don't see how
Nov 2, 2013, 12:46 AM
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strange you make yourself out to be when you pretend to be a Clemson fan. Do you?
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Re: You really don't see it do you? You really don't see how
Nov 2, 2013, 8:30 AM
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Do you realize how strange you Dabosexuals appear to the rest of us, that is, the rational Tiger fans? You guys kill me defending Dabo at all costs, right or wrong. Facts just blissfully sail right over your "all in" heads, don't they.
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Tell me, ####, who are these "rest of us" you speak of? You,
Nov 2, 2013, 9:03 PM
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blue caddy and your other handle tigerstripe777 maybe? Do you imagine there are other deluded #### standing there behind you? Face it, you're a very, very strange dude. Weird thing is you don't even care.
Plus, you used the word, "rational"? That's hilarious. What are you talking about? Seriously?
And then you said, "Facts just blissfully sail right over your "all in" head". What facts, ####? Would you like to compare facts?
Not even a deluded #### like yourself can possibly believe the gibberish you post. I bet you smoke weed before you log on to tigernet, don't you ####?
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You know better than that.
Nov 1, 2013, 9:11 PM
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Any real Clemson fan that lived through the Hatfield years knows how bad recruiting was going and, despite the 1993 record, how bad that team was. Lies, #### lies and statistics.
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Nov 1, 2013, 10:52 PM
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Are you kidding? Hatfield had Danny Fords unreal talent in 90 and 91. In 2010 we had no offensive weapons at all when Ellington got hurt. Nuk was our best and he was a true freshman.
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positive start, still being written,best yet to come,
Oct 28, 2013, 9:18 AM
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on and off the field a great hire
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He'd better start whipping usuc or it will be a two-headed
Oct 28, 2013, 9:18 AM
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legacy.
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I think during one of the games this year
Oct 28, 2013, 9:18 AM
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they put up a graphic comparing Dabo with several of the most successful coaches out there. His numbers were just as good if not better.
I think if we all go back to the Thursday night in Winston-Salem some years back, and someone was to tell us that over the next 4-5 years we would win an ACC title, have multiple 10-win seasons, and start knocking of top-10 SEC teams, well, I think we all would have been pretty excited about that.
There are a ton of teams out there that would kill to have Dabo as their coach. I am just glad he is a Clemson Tiger!
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Stats are meaningless without context and no one is asking
Oct 28, 2013, 10:27 AM
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to interview Dabo. If we fired him he would end up as a recruiting coordinator or maybe a WR coach at a major program. The only HC jobs he'd get would be small programs. And he doesn't want that. If he did he would have paid his dues and worked his way up the coaching ranks like everyone else. No one was interested in him after he was fired at Bama. He's simply not a very good coach.
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edisto,dabo was let go along with all of mike dubose's staff
Oct 28, 2013, 11:06 AM
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don't spin it like dabo was the only one let go, that makes you sound foolish, not to mention losing any credibility to the people who don't already know your post history.
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"That makes you sound foolish". Honestly, does he ever sound
Nov 1, 2013, 11:05 PM
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any other way? Dude's got some screws loose.
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Built a top 10-15 program.
Oct 28, 2013, 9:31 AM
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Took recruiting up a notch and brought in the best talent since the 1980s/Danny Ford era.
Returned the program to the highest level since the 1980s/Danny Ford era in terms of wins and championships.
Went head-to-head with and beat top 10 SEC teams.
In the era of the internet and message board experts, faced criticism and detractors in spite of his success.
Lost 4 in a row to USuCk.
Never able to totally eliminate the inexplicable occasional blowout loss.
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Wrong. I've posted the numbers before. His recruiting ranks
Oct 28, 2013, 10:23 AM
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exactly the same as TB's last 3 or 4 classes.
TB built the program, not Dabo. Dabo had a losing season. Had TB effectively replaced RichRod he'd still be HC. Dabo has gotten slightly better results thanks to Morris.
I predicted when Dabo was hired he'd get marginally better results, but not make significant progress towards being capable of winning a national championship.
That was 100% accurate.
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Dabo was responsible for a lot of TB's recruiting
Oct 28, 2013, 11:15 AM
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So of course the numbers would be similar.
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No, not really.
Nov 1, 2013, 7:55 PM
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TB had a #13 & 18 class in 07 and 08 before a #2 class in 08. And that class was highlighted by who? CJ Spiller recruited by Dabo. Dabo's last 3 classes have been ranked 8, 10, & 13.
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Marginally better? That's funny. The fact is Dabo has done
Nov 1, 2013, 11:02 PM
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more for Clemson than any coach in history, save Danny Ford. But Dabo is far from done yet, plus it cannot be discounted that Ford played in a considerably easier ACC and he still lost a bunch of games he should have won. Those losses cost us shots at more national titles.
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Re: Marginally better? That's funny. The fact is Dabo has done
Nov 2, 2013, 8:36 AM
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"Ford played in a considerably easier ACC" Yeah, Right! LOL!!
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I'll tell you what, ####..........
Nov 2, 2013, 8:56 PM
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You put your facts up, and I'll put up mine. Thing is, you have zero facts. Just deluded hot air.
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Re: Last year***
Nov 1, 2013, 9:15 PM
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KaBoom!!!! Like sitting ducks.***
Nov 1, 2013, 11:17 PM
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The best coach we've had since Danny.***
Oct 28, 2013, 9:32 AM
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So basically...better than Bowden.***
Oct 28, 2013, 10:01 AM
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No. TB rebuilt us from the ashes without the facilities he
Oct 28, 2013, 10:19 AM
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was promised. He fought for those and finally got them at the end. Dabo could never do what TB did. Dabo took a team that was under achieving and ready to win big and had a losing season and ugly ugly loses. Dabo is still under achieving. Slightly better results with much better teams than TB started out with.
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"Dabo could never do what TB did."
Oct 28, 2013, 10:27 AM
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Based on what?
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He took over a team that was grossly under achieving in a
Oct 28, 2013, 10:33 AM
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pathetic conference. Then had a losing season. Thanks to Morris we over power les talented teams. Teams we use to "pull a Clemson" against. There is ZERO evidence Dabo could do what TB did.
People forget how terrible we were when TB took over.
NO talent.
NO facilities.
NO love or attention in the media.
Bad recruiting.
And the ACC was better than any year since Dabo has been here till this year. FSU was dominating back then.
TB rebuilt our program from the ashes. His main sin was under achieving. Had he replaced RichRod with a good OC he'd still be our HC.
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Dabo hired Morris, TB hired Spence. Argument over.***
Oct 28, 2013, 10:39 AM
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"Teams we use to "pull a Clemson" against" Yeah, that
Oct 28, 2013, 10:41 AM
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happened mainly under Bowden. I give TB credit for getting the ball rolling on facility upgrades and upgrading recruiting. But, there's no evidence that Dabo wouldn't had done the same if given the opportunity back then. It was painfully evident that we were only going to go so far under Bowden, who had a sense of entitlement by the way. Dabo is like a kid on Christmas morning with this opportunity and he's made the most of it. You can't dismiss his success because of he having good assistants. EVERY successful coach has been surrounded by good assistants.
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Re: He took over a team that was grossly under achieving in a
Nov 2, 2013, 6:43 AM
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LOL! First member I ignore when I become a paying member. It just further proves the fact that no matter how many seemingly idiotic opinions there are on any given subject, some a$$ hat supports them with vigor.
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Re: He took over a team that was grossly under achieving in a
Nov 2, 2013, 9:05 PM
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Under TB the highest ranking we achieved was #14 in the 2000 Coaches poll. Dabo #9 in the 2012 coaches poll. So now please explain how Dabo has not done better than TB?
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You misspelled "moran"***
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Oct 28, 2013, 10:13 AM
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To be considered great he has to at least even the record against the coots. Of course if he left now that would not be possible and while most of us would remember the good run the team has had under his reign, the bitter pill of going 5 years between wins (if we win this year) will always be there. Hope he retires 27 - 4 vs the peckers.
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Sweatshirts***
Oct 28, 2013, 10:23 AM
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Oct 28, 2013, 10:37 AM
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lost the two most important games on schedule
beat fsu and we are working on acc title #3
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Did a lot of great things, but sadly, four in a row...
Oct 28, 2013, 11:00 AM
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would be the dominating topic of conversation. He really has taken us to a whole new level with recruiting and building a program that can sustain. He has given us wins over some pretty impressive foes and brought division and conference titles. But the one thing many Clemson fans (and those on the outside as well) will look at, is his record vs the bitter rival.
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A great coach who had to learn on the job and restored
Oct 28, 2013, 11:20 AM
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Clemson to relevancy on the national scene. Did everything the right way which is unusual this day and time. Graduated his players. Does a lot outside football with his foundation. Positive imagine for the program. A winner!!
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This thread tells me more about the people posting in it
Oct 28, 2013, 11:27 AM
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than it does about Dabo's real legacy.
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He aint leaving so it is a silly question,,
Oct 28, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Babo has the train going in the right direction and the positives far outweigh the negatives. Ask me this in 2028...
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Oct 28, 2013, 11:30 AM
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Good hires
Unfortunately, as someone else already pointed out, he is scarred by 4 straight losses. The good should outweigh the bad...many people just all the time want to look at the bad.
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Nov 1, 2013, 7:14 PM
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It should tell Clemson fans all they need to know when South Carolina fans say they don't want Dabo to ever leave.
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Nov 1, 2013, 7:23 PM
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and you should kiss the left cheek of our posterior as you exit T-Net and go crawl back under your rock!!
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Nov 1, 2013, 7:39 PM
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The main problem I had with TB was he didn't seem emotionally engaged enough in the program (maybe he had a good poker face). I think he got CU to a point and could not evolve. Yes he was beating inferior coot teams. Dabo takes over after most of us were ready for TB to leave, and beats the coots in his first meeting (as I remember the game, the coots also beat themselves). Enter CM and the O picks up (I give Dabo credit for that). The D stinks for two seasons and after the Orange Bowl disaster, Steel is gone and V comes in and the D starts to turn around.
However, if recruiting (Dabo's area of strength)is no better than TB, then CU may be entering another stagnant period. I do expect the D to possibly improve next year, but the O is beginning to sputter. Yes he has lost 4 in a row to very god coot team, but that is why you should build an even better CU team. If we cant beat a strong coot team, we won't beat FSU anytime soon.
A step above where we were, but there are steps yet to go.
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Are you serious???????? If so stupid comment!!!!!!!!!!***
Nov 1, 2013, 11:08 PM
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Riiiiight. You convincing yourself?***
Nov 1, 2013, 11:13 PM
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Re: Riiiiight. You convincing yourself?***
Nov 2, 2013, 12:27 AM
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What's he need to convince himself of? A lot of USC fans do feel that way, and there's no reason for them not to. They've beaten us by more than 2 scores per game on average since Dabo has been the full-time HC (minus 2008, if you really count that), hence why they probably are comfortable with him being here.
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Dabo is building a strong program. That's what. Plus they
Nov 2, 2013, 12:59 AM
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know OBC is temporary.
They can pretend Dabo is not building all they want, but that's objectively not the case. Most of them can see it just like most of us do, hence they try to convince themselves otherwise.
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I would agree with Dabo being the best coach since Danny
Nov 1, 2013, 7:59 PM
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He just needs a NC and beat the Coots
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Re: I would agree with Dabo being the best coach since Danny
Nov 1, 2013, 8:16 PM
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Two things that probably won't happen anytime soon. Well, you might beat us from time to time, but until Dabo learns to recruit offensive and defensive linemen by the boatload, he won't be able to beat the Gamecocks consistently enough for most Clemson fans.
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Nov 1, 2013, 8:24 PM
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Dabo is no doubt one of the greatest coaches winning wise in Clemson history. But as we all know if you cant beat the coots you'll never get the recognition you may deserve!
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Re: Dabo's Legacy?
Nov 1, 2013, 9:38 PM
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Let's see, Dabo's legacy? Well, he is the best salesman that Clemson ever had, because if he says it, at least 95% of Tiger fans take it as gospel. Frank Howard comes in second here, because a lot of the outlandish stuff he said was obviously taken by most people as satirical or pure cornpone humor. Coach Swinney is also the most passionate about his school, and takes every possible opportunity to convince the fanbase that he has his dream job. He is a great recruiter, and is a very good, moral man. He is an eternal optimist, always chasing rainbows, and sees the "glass half full" in every situation. Because of his positive outlook, I'm not so sure that he can be as effective in convincing his players to improve their weaknesses, as a crusty Ford/Saban type coach. Now maybe he really can, and I honestly wouldn't know, because I'm not at practice everyday. This is just my opinion, though it seems very logical to me. I also believe that one of his finest traits has been his ability to grow and mature as a CEO type head coach for the Tigers. He has improved tremendously in this area, and unlike some other head coaches, his ego has allowed him to bring in two excellent coordinators. His final legacy will be determined by his number of ACC titles, his overall W-L record, and how he fares against his rival over his time at Clemson.
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You forgot a lot of important stuff ####.
Nov 1, 2013, 11:08 PM
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Like facts, rankings, and records, and whatnot.
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Re: You forgot a lot of important stuff ####.
Nov 2, 2013, 8:40 AM
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Gee I'm sorry. Tell you what, I'll get you a larger poster of Dabo to hang up over your bed, OK?
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Well....
Nov 2, 2013, 8:54 PM
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At least I don't have a #### poster hanging over my bed. ####.
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Great vs ACC, poor vs SC
Nov 1, 2013, 9:03 PM
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hope he can turn that around this year...or at least start.
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No better place than in Clemson, SC BABY! (Or, CJ). ***
Nov 1, 2013, 10:11 PM
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GoTiGERs!
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How many ACC titles did tommy win?
Nov 2, 2013, 1:42 AM
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Dabo has already broken that ceiling. He fired spence that is his legacy.
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Losing 4 in a row to the coots. Losing some big games
Nov 2, 2013, 6:24 AM
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horribly (WVU, FSU). Beat LSU. Taking the Tigers to 10 wins in a weak ACC. Never shaking the "Clemsoning" verb.
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It's the best Clemson program in over 3 decades and perhaps
Nov 2, 2013, 9:08 PM
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the second best of all time. In due time, Dabo may very well be the most decorated coach in Clemson history. Those are the relevant facts, not your weak, desperate try to degrade the job Dabo is doing.
And as far as your desperation, what do you mean by, "Never shaking the "Clemsoning" verb"?
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